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Alistair Hosie
02-07-2005, 05:43 PM
I bought my milling machine which has capability for both horizontal and vertical milling using the same arbour size.The size is I S O international 30,the mill came with a long arbour but no outside arbour support. The reasoning was (according to the seller)that I would probably never use the horizontal facility as the vertical would meet my every need.
I was also supplied a reasonably long stub arbour and I can see a situation when I might wish to use a slitting saw facility with this or the long horizontal arbour.I am not sure if the longish stub arbour about 9 inches would be used from the horizontal spindle without end support or the vertical spindle supposedly the both could be used with this.Anyone who has used a stub arbour let me know if using it directly from the horizontal spindle locked in place from behind with a threaded drawbar.Alistair

IOWOLF
02-07-2005, 05:54 PM
What kind of mill?

sauer38h
02-07-2005, 06:04 PM
Fritz Werner.

Alistair posts photos of it on occasion. I only follow this forum so I won't miss those. Nice looking machine, unfortunately I've never seen one in person.

IOWOLF
02-07-2005, 06:16 PM
That is how I hold my 40 taper holders in on my cinn#1, Never had a problem, I would make a support for the long tool holder though.

Alistair Hosie
02-07-2005, 06:47 PM
I owolf I intend to make one does anyone have any plans or articles about this ?Alistair

aboard_epsilon
02-07-2005, 06:55 PM
Look at evans engine block miller.....he uses a conecting rod from an engine as the suport ....looks very purposeful
all the best...mark

aboard_epsilon
02-07-2005, 06:58 PM
sorry ment G.A.EWEN.
see it here

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//Forum1/HTML/009870.html

all the best..mark

IOWOLF
02-07-2005, 07:01 PM
A friend made one for a horiz. mill out of aluminum, why not? It uses a bronze bushing for the arbor.

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Alistair Hosie
02-07-2005, 07:05 PM
here is the machine


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/tybachdai/Fritz%20Werner%20Milling%20machine/dbb52480.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/tybachdai/Fritz%20Werner%20Milling%20machine/d19fcbbe.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/tybachdai/Fritz%20Werner%20Milling%20machine/173db0a9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/tybachdai/Fritz%20Werner%20Milling%20machine/286377c8.jpg

Lew Hartswick
02-07-2005, 07:10 PM
Alistair Where will you mount the support for
the long arbor?
...lew...

IOWOLF
02-07-2005, 07:13 PM
Cool machine, it should be easy to make a arbor thing with it being dovetailed and all.

Alistair Hosie
02-07-2005, 07:15 PM
Lew if you can imagine the head revolved 180 degrees in the last photo then you will find at the top end of the head it is running on a vee bed/dovetailed this will be utilised to hold the support.Alistair

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bikenut
02-07-2005, 07:43 PM
Very nice looking machine Alistair. If it was mine I'd make the support.

Elninio
02-07-2005, 07:57 PM
looks a bit like the RF-45's grandfather

wierdscience
02-07-2005, 08:19 PM
Alistair,first you need to paint the machine green http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Then the first step is to mill up a dovetail to fit the ram with enough material extending down to include the run bearing in the new support.
Aluminum or cast iron in the 2" thick range would work well for the support and be easy to machine.
Once you have the dovetail fitted where it will clamp to the arm install a sharp center in the mill spindle and check it for .000" runout,once you have this slide the new support up to the point until it just touches the point.Snug the clamp bolts down on the support,then take a block of wood and a hammer and give the support a good rap opposite the point.You should then have a good center point to refrence the bearing hole.
After that it is your choice on how to produce the hole,you can either clamp it to the mill table then drill and bore it to size,or you can use the four jaw chuck in your lathe if the support will swing.
You can fit the arm with a bronze bushing and an oil cup,or a sealed roller bearing.

Once you have all this you can shape and paint it to resemble the original.If there are any factory drawings of your machine availible use them for a refrence.

Hope this helps,your fellow green admirer,Darin http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

andy_b
02-07-2005, 09:49 PM
on the old B&S horizontal mills the arbor supports are cast aluminum, with bronze bushings. i don't see why you couldn't mill a chunk of "something" to fit the overhead dovetail, and then rig up a way to use the horizontal mill to bore the hole for the arbor support.

andy b.

IOWOLF
02-08-2005, 11:56 AM
Speaking of which,Here is the one my friend made.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/iowolf/bs.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/iowolf/bs.jpg

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Alistair Hosie
02-08-2005, 11:45 PM
that's a beauty Iowolf see my instructions worked http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

ibewgypsie
02-09-2005, 12:17 AM
YEah, that machine needs another coat of automotive wax, you can see the moisture barely beads on the slick painted and polished surfaces.

WILL IT EVER GET DIRTY? keep them nasty old harley parts away from it. THEY drip oil.

gee.. and then ya segregate it with blankets and curtains to keep it hidden from view. Kinda like a look-see from a carnival girlie..whoo hoo..

If I was there, I'd catch ya not home and deliver about twenty gallons of oily shavings all over and under all your machines. Make em look like they are not in a museum.

Have I gotten your ribs sore yet? Pass the brown ale thar mate.. AIn't seen ya around in a day or two.

David

Alistair Hosie
02-09-2005, 12:24 AM
David I havent been too good healthwise anyway just to explain I didn't take these pictures these were the ones the seller sent me when I bought it I suppose he put the sheets up to get a better picture should have washed em fist http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif Alistair p s your welcome here anytime buddy just let me know when you get a biggy on ebay and can buy a few tickets that's all you guys will need I will treat you well when you arrive

IOWOLF
02-09-2005, 07:47 AM
I worked like charm,thanx again.

Alistair Hosie
02-09-2005, 09:31 AM
anytime Jay regards Alistair

andy_b
02-09-2005, 01:15 PM
Alistair, IOWOLF,

do you guys have those instructions handy somewhere? i could use another one of those supports for an old B&S i have at home.

andy b.

rumutt
02-09-2005, 01:19 PM
Alistair

That is one nice machine, and don't you dare paint that sweet machine green!!! It looks great in gray. If it really bothers you then I gladly offer to remove the irritation out of your shop. As to your question. A lot of horizontal mills use a drawbar to hold the arbor or endmill holder. IF the arbor is very long I would use an outer support to stop any vibration from the cutter. I would think all you would need is a support that looks like one of these. arbor support (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3873026960)
Does not look it would be that hard to build and just put the proper bearing/bushing in for your arbor.

Bruce

IOWOLF
02-09-2005, 02:14 PM
IT wasn't inst. for the b&s it was for posting pics.

But I would make the dovetail first and slide it into the turning mill wuth a centerdrill in it to get the spot correct for the oilight bushing.

andy_b
02-09-2005, 05:12 PM
IOWOLF,

got it. and that's pretty much what i was going to try, but i thought i'd ask to see if there was another method.

thanks!

andy b.

IOWOLF
02-10-2005, 02:10 PM
ALISTER!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3873290935&ssPageName=MERC_BC_ReBay_Pr4_PcN_