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DaveK
02-12-2005, 11:59 PM
Hello All: Want to introduce myself to the forum. My name is Dave, from MA area. I'm an electrical engineer by trade but also does metal work as a hobby. I found this forum when looking for information on how to remove the lathe spindle.

I recently acquired a Series I Bridgeport 9x42 mill and an MSC 13x36 lathe for my home shop. The Bridgeport is in great shape, all it needed was a pully. The lathe, however, was neglected and needs a lot of work. I started to take apart the headstock to replace the rear oil seal and drive belts. I've reached a point where I need suggestions from professionals on how to remove the spindle. I removed the lock nuts, oil seal plates; loosened the bull gear, and pully gear from the spindle. I tried to use a hammer and wooden block to tap the spindle out without success. Not wanting to damage the spindle and bearings so I stopped to look for help. I can't find any info on this lathe, I called MSC, they told me they stopped supporting this machone over 10 years ago. Has anyone worked on this type of headstocks? Any suggestions on what to do next? I'm going to try to post a picture for everyone to look at, hope it works.

Thanks in advance!!! Dave
http://users.rcn.com/garysc/lathe.jpg

CharlesM
02-13-2005, 12:03 AM
It looks almost identical to my 12 x 37 Grizzley. I am at work now, but I will dig out the book in the morning and see if I can find the instructions for removing the spindle.



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Charles McGough
Sterlington, LA

speedy
02-13-2005, 03:17 AM
Welcome Dave.
Your lathe looks to be the later Chinese? maybe Taiwanese (better quality ) version of my Taiwanese "Lantaine" 12" x 39".
Do not be tempted to hammer it out. Make up some plates and spacers along with a beefy threaded rod that will allow you to draw the spindle completely out of the headstock casing. The spindle comes out from the front and you may find the bull gear a nice firm fit, so the need to draw out and in when replacing. Check that the oiler holes are correctly aligned with the bearing cavity, some aren't too accurate, also ensure that the oil level is maintained ABOVE half a glass.( The bearings can loss oil and still show oil in the sight glass.)
Set up well, they are a fine lathe IMO. cheers, Ken

beckley23
02-13-2005, 09:07 AM
I would remove the labyrinth plate, behind the spindle threads, first. That plate is retaining the front spindle bearing.
Harry

DaveK
02-13-2005, 10:52 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by beckley23:
I would remove the labyrinth plate, behind the spindle threads, first. That plate is retaining the front spindle bearing.
Harry</font>

Oops, I just realized I should have posted this question in the Third Hand Forum, sorry about that. But Wow! So much information is such a short time, thanks so much!

Ken - this machine was manufactured in 1989, rebatched by MSC and sold it as model MSC-1336. It was a very good machine. It was used on production floor until it was moved into R&D, we had a Hardinge toolroom lathe. The Hardinge was well maintained while this machine received no maintanence for over 5 years. I rescued it from the scrape metal dealer 2 weeks ago when the machine shop decided having 2 lathes is not necessary. It was very easy to decide which one to get rid of. Anyway, can you elaborate on how the plates and threaded rod draw out the spindle?

Harry - the Labyrith plates are removed. The rear one exposes the Timken roller bearing. The spindle has a lip so the front plate can't be removed until the spindle is pulled out.

Thank you all! - Dave

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DaveK
02-13-2005, 01:34 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by speedy:
Welcome Dave.
Your lathe looks to be the later Chinese? maybe Taiwanese (better quality ) version of my Taiwanese "Lantaine" 12" x 39".
Do not be tempted to hammer it out. Make up some plates and spacers along with a beefy treaded rod that will allow you to draw the spindle completely out of the headstock casing. The spindle comes out from the front and you may find the bull gear a nice firm fit, so the need to draw out and in when replacing. Check that the oiler holes are correctly aligned with the bearing cavity, some aren't too accurate, also ensure that the oil level is maintained ABOVE half a glass.( The bearings can loss oil and still show oil in the sight glass.)
Set up well, they are a fine lathe IMO. cheers, Ken</font>

Ken, just browsed this forum further and I found this message link: http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/Forum1/HTML/007794.html
The picture posted here is the same lathe I have, down to the color and the forward/reverse switch. The only difference is the carriage wheel is on the left side. I do believe you're correct that it's a Taiwanese "Lantaine". -Dave

speedy
02-13-2005, 08:08 PM
Here is a shot of my Lantaine Dave. She is still in as new condition ( almost ) and machines accurately. Rev range is 41 to 833 @ 50hz 240v, so runs a tad slower than your model
Try Matador (Hans), he has a manual for your model and may be able to help you with an exploded view, but it is fairly straight forward IMO.

cheers, Ken
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/speeedy/LantaineDVC00287.jpg

matador
02-14-2005, 01:59 AM
Is that floor I see?Ken,you haven't got enough stuff http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif.

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Hans

speedy
02-14-2005, 03:25 AM
Jeez Wayne! You're taking the piss I think http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif, I can hardly get my chair around as it is. I have decided yhat I just don't have the room for the Invicta and have passed it on to John.
Yes that is the floor Hans, and a very fine floor too http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif, my good mate Mike from Tauranga laid it for me.
Don't fret though, it was cleared for the promotional shots of the lathe. I had to take them before the Coly was placed just in front of it.
Maybe I should have contacted you first before volunteering your name but your a good guy, aye.
Dave, I seem to be hijacking your thread.......apologies http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif. I would scan my manual for you if I had a scanner. I can possibly arrange a manual from the NZ company who was the distributer if have no luck up your way if you wish.
cheers, Ken

DaveK
02-15-2005, 10:01 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by speedy:
Jeez Wayne! You're taking the piss I think http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif, I can hardly get my chair around as it is. I have decided yhat I just don't have the room for the Invicta and have passed it on to John.
Yes that is the floor Hans, and a very fine floor too http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif, my good mate Mike from Tauranga laid it for me.
Don't fret though, it was cleared for the promotional shots of the lathe. I had to take them before the Coly was placed just in front of it.
Maybe I should have contacted you first before volunteering your name but your a good guy, aye.
Dave, I seem to be hijacking your thread.......apologies http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif. I would scan my manual for you if I had a scanner. I can possibly arrange a manual from the NZ company who was the distributer if have no luck up your way if you wish.
cheers, Ken</font>

Ken, no problem with hijacking a thread or two. All I need is the exploded view of the headstock if you can help.

Thanks, Dave.

matador
02-16-2005, 12:49 AM
dave,i sent the scans,but must have got your e-mail address wrong.i'll re-send them.hans

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Hans