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aterren
02-20-2005, 02:31 PM
Looking for a bit of advice regarding a Southbend Model A with minimal tooling. Seems to have had a long life but is serviceable and will likely meet my needs for the forseeable future. The asking price is $2,300.

I know this is way too much, but I'm buying a 1964 Bridgeport from the guy (he's the original owner and it's near new 0.012 backlash). Anyhow I'll have a trailer there and am wondering what would be a reasonable offer for the lathe that is fair to both of us.

Best Regards,

Adrien

JCHannum
02-20-2005, 02:53 PM
$2300 is way too much for a Model A in anything less than fully equipped, brand new condition.

A moderately equipped, average condition Model A should not be more than $1000, plus or minus $200 for convenience factor.

aterren
02-20-2005, 03:16 PM
Thanks. I was thinking $800 to $1000 so it sounds like I'm in the ball park. Not sure if it matters but it has a new lead screw too.

Also, any idea what one of these with the motor in the base weighs?

Paul Alciatore
02-20-2005, 03:44 PM
I looked at the SBs for over a year before I bought. A lot have gone in the $800 to $1200 range on E-Bay. But I have no certain idea of the condition and the buyers may not have either. Some have gone for more. His price sounds like the high limit.

Paul A.

garyphansen
02-20-2005, 04:00 PM
All I know is I would not sell my floor model, 4' bed, 9" model A for $2,300. The South Bends can not hog off work like a newer design, but if taken care of will last a few days short of forever and still do closer work than a lot of newer lathes. Gary P. Hansen

precisionworks
02-20-2005, 07:04 PM
Love my SB 10-K with undermotor drive. Would guess it weighs 800-900#. A bunch have sold on eBay recently in really clean condition for $1800-$2000. Seems a Model A would go for $750-$1000, depending on condition & how much tooling is included.

J Tiers
02-20-2005, 10:09 PM
The "SouthBend" name seems to be at a premium these days.

$2300 is about right, from a dealer, like Paramount, or the like. Not from a private seller unless it came out of a rust-protected time capsule.

That said, a bare POS 9" around here seems to be $1100 No chuck, no steady, no faceplate, no tooling no motor, just bed and essentials.

I don't get it.

BillH
02-20-2005, 10:25 PM
my 9" model C, with a crappy chuck, and few tooling was 475$. I'd say minor to moderate wear. Still though for 475$, I'd be hard press to do better unless I went with a monster lathe. 64 years old, has 64 years of wear on it. Being a Model C, has less wear than most SB that old. Only 2 I've seen in better condition, one on ebay that was near 1000$ with couple days left, and Evans lathe.

sauer38h
02-21-2005, 12:43 AM
$2300 for an A? That's somewhere on the far side of ridiculous.

I don't think I want to know how much he's reaming you on the Bridgeport.

aterren
02-21-2005, 11:22 AM
J Tiers, Where do you live? I'm assuming that the east coast is a bit less expensive for lathes as it is for Mills.

aterren
02-21-2005, 11:45 AM
sauer38h,

I'm giving $2,500 for the mill with a nice starter package of tooling (90 degree attachment, kurt vise, 24 position hardinge head, collets, and some assorted taps and drill bits). No DRO, no power feed and I have to move it ~200 miles which has some, potentially substantial, cost.

I figure this is a generous, but fair price. He was originally asking $2,300 for the mill and $1,000 for the tooling. He's the nicest guy but seems a bit off in his machine value estimates.

lklb
02-21-2005, 02:08 PM
I picked up a model c with absolutely perfect ways for $275 three years ago
at a farmers auction in Goshen CT.
I sent it to my brother in Berkley,
Cal. for a birthday gift .He told me somebody offered him $3000 for it.
So you tell me whats it worth????????

aterren
02-22-2005, 09:18 AM
Ah yes, what's it worth. I guess the old addage is true -- it's worth what ever someone will pay you for it.

So that makes this Mod A is worth what I'm willing to pay. Oh the power and responsibility!!! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

Paul Alciatore
02-22-2005, 10:17 AM
What the high bidder is willing to pay.

Paul A.

precisionworks
02-24-2005, 11:36 PM
This one looks good, but got no bids, just ended:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=97230&item=3875590674&rd=1

J Tiers
02-25-2005, 12:55 AM
Hmmm....if the ways were REALLY in good condition, and it had any tooling besides the taper attachment, that would not be unreasonable, I'd think.

Must have been a catch somewhere that I didn't notice in a quick scan.

precisionworks
02-25-2005, 09:18 AM
JT, only two things I noticed. Motor is 3PH, so most of us would have to remotor or run on a phase convertor, no big deal. Also, location is Florida, which makes you wonder about rust...

J Tiers
02-25-2005, 12:29 PM
Yeah, and did you notice that there didn't seem to be a closeup of the ways IIRC? Just the statement that they are in good condition.

It must be true, I read it on ebay........

bob308
02-25-2005, 07:14 PM
i paid 1500 for my 1951 14 1/2" sb toolroom lathe and got 5c collects and 3 and 4 jaw chucks. tool holders and a taper attachment