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3 Phase Lightbulb
08-18-2001, 12:41 AM
The drain already has a screen. Even if some swarf gets into the coolant tank, it will just collect on the bottom of the tank. The pump's pickup is in a baffled section and wouldn't pick up swarf anyway.

-Adrian

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-29-2005, 12:38 PM
I almost got a new shop saw today from Grizzly. I went down to the shipping terminal to pick it up. The forklift operator was backing down a ramp and made a turn at the end of the ramp and the saw tipped over and smashed the ground. Oh well, I can wait for another one but the poor guy driving the forklift was shaking afterwards.

The same thing almost happened with my compressor but the forklift driver quickly lowered the forks and it prevented it from tipping over.

-Adrian

Evan
12-29-2005, 01:32 PM
I was waiting for the shipping company to unload a brand new high speed photocopier for a customer. I used to install and repair those machines. This was a machine that weighed over 1000 lbs and cost maybe $50,000. They rolled in on its casters from the truck onto the lift gate. The lift gate drooped slightly from the load and it kept on rolling. It fell off the gate and landed flat on its side, a fall of maybe 4 feet. It made a most amazing sound as all the optical system parts shattered, sort of like dropping a tray full of wine glasses on the floor.

My schedule was suddenly free for the day.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-29-2005, 02:05 PM
My Schedule is free right now too http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif I was going to spend most of the day making room in my shop for it but I get to relax instead. The saw (750 lbs) tipped over on the forklift from a height of about 12". It crashed hard. I just took a peak and refused it. Poor guy operating the fork lift was in shock.

-Adrian

lynnl
12-29-2005, 02:41 PM
What kind of saw was it? H/V? Vertical band?

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-29-2005, 03:07 PM
It was Grizzly's new Horz bandsaw (G9744Z). I don't think it was very top heavy either. I just think the forklift driver was going too fast. He backed down a ramp, then tried to swing it around and face my truck but he tipped it over and WHAMM.

http://images.grizzly.com/grizzlycom/pics/jpeg288/G/G9744Z.jpg

-Adrian

BillH
12-29-2005, 03:46 PM
You going to be cutting 8x8" chunks of steel?
Nice looking saw.

Al Messer
12-29-2005, 03:48 PM
Speaking of forklift accidents, I worked in the trucking industry for right at 20 years and I have seen some that would make your hair curl.

One particular that comes to mind is when we were transferring a load of palletized Steel tire cord from a 27' "Pup" trailer to a larger one. The load weighed right at 43,000 pounds. The dollies on the "pup" were set about 6 or 8 feet from the front. The forklift operator did O.K. for about 2/3 of the load, but when he ran up past the dollies to start on the last row, the "pup" began to nose over with him as he had forgotten to see that a tractor was hooked up and the air brakes set. I have never seen any one man move so past in my life. He was out of the back of the trailer and up on the platform before the nose of the pup hit the ground. Someone crept back down into it and turned off the motor of the forklift, and we called for a large wrecker to come pick the pup back up and put a tractor under its 5th wheel. The forklift operator was an African American, but he looked like an Anglo when he came out of the back of that pup! We were very fortunate that it was a laughable incident instead of being a tragic fatality.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-29-2005, 04:05 PM
It was weird because when I saw it tip, my stomach jumped and then quickly relaxed because I remember my last pickup a different operator tipped my air compressor but quickly uprighted it by dropping the blade quickly (it was no big deal for him). When the saw started to tip I figured no worries, he's going to save it.. It took me a second (after it hit the ground) to realize he's not going to save it http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

Normally I go pickup stuff at the terminal late at night after work. I'm on vacation all week so I went down this morning. Maybe the night crew have better skills.

-Adrian

Your Old Dog
12-29-2005, 05:48 PM
whoa! Nice saw!

hoffman
12-29-2005, 06:21 PM
Nice saw. I had to pass on a Marvel 8 for about the same price not too long ago. No $$ http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//frown.gif

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-29-2005, 06:42 PM
I think it WAS a nice saw. Hopyfully Grizzly sends out another one soon. New Penn is the shipping company that trashed mine. I should request that a Tawian forklift operator handle the next one.

-Adrian

Warren
12-29-2005, 08:04 PM
That is too bad Adrian. It looks like a good saw too.

timz1999
12-29-2005, 09:01 PM
I don't get it http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//confused.gif Why are these guys in such a hurry is there boss on there ass our do they have a hot date? I would try to get a deferent shipping company. Could you imagine what they do with things that people don't pick up?

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-29-2005, 09:14 PM
Grizzly is shipping another one so it's no big deal. The thing I like about New Penn is the terminal is about 1 mile from my house and I can pick stuff up until midnight so it's really nice. I'll remind them what happened when I pick up the next one.

-Adrian

aboard_epsilon
12-29-2005, 09:20 PM
Hope all goes OK for you Adrian.
tell 'em to give you a few free blades for the trouble they've caused http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif
all the best.mark

Dawai
12-29-2005, 09:22 PM
I'd tried to buy it for .03 on the dollar.. he he..

New project? making a new saw from scrap.

At Sequoah Nuclear I saw them dump a nice Kalamazoo w/fluid into the dumpster. Problem with it? None, I had taken a wood chip out of the pump the day before and used it for several hours. They said they had ordered a new one. It came in. Old one left.

Your tax dollars at work.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-29-2005, 09:27 PM
Everything is fine, except it was a very weird feeling "There's my new saw", then "There's grizzly's busted saw on the ground". My owner's experience was about 30 seconds long http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

wierdscience
12-29-2005, 10:49 PM
Ahhh...I remember Consolidated Motor Frieght,now there was a company that could bust and anvil with a q-tip http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

I bought a Table saw from Grizz,450lbs worth,cabinet saw,3hp.

The knucklehead driver had just two drops on his run,16 pallets of paint to a local company,and my saw.The saw was in the back of the trailer behind the paint.Logic would say deliver the saw first right?Nope,he dropped the paint first,to do so he cut the pallet bands on my saw and moved it to one side of the trailer.He offloaded the paint,then made the trip across town to my shop all the while my saw was doing cartwheels in the back.When he opened the doors on the trailer it nearly fell on top of him.

I had been waiting on the saw for 2 weeks and needed it bad(penny holding up a 1$)so I noted the damage on the slip and called Grizz,next day I had my replacement parts,can't say anything bad about them.

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wierdscience
12-29-2005, 11:01 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Al Messer:
Speaking of forklift accidents, I worked in the trucking industry for right at 20 years and I have seen some that would make your hair curl.

One particular that comes to mind is when we were transferring a load of palletized Steel tire cord from a 27' "Pup" trailer to a larger one. The load weighed right at 43,000 pounds. The dollies on the "pup" were set about 6 or 8 feet from the front. The forklift operator did O.K. for about 2/3 of the load, but when he ran up past the dollies to start on the last row, the "pup" began to nose over with him as he had forgotten to see that a tractor was hooked up and the air brakes set. I have never seen any one man move so past in my life. He was out of the back of the trailer and up on the platform before the nose of the pup hit the ground. Someone crept back down into it and turned off the motor of the forklift, and we called for a large wrecker to come pick the pup back up and put a tractor under its 5th wheel. The forklift operator was an African American, but he looked like an Anglo when he came out of the back of that pup! We were very fortunate that it was a laughable incident instead of being a tragic fatality.</font>

That reminds me of a load my brother almost hauled.He and three other drivers were picking up steel coils in Penn.to be hauled to Laredo,Tx.

Ever notice how they only put two coils on a 48' flat?And ever notice how the space them out about 16' apart?Well the forklift operator was new on the job and he loaded my brother's trailer first,both coils right in the middle http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif
Lufkin trailers never intended for the're design to handle a 45,000lb point load,after the mess was moved off the trailer,it had a permanant 3' swayback http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

BillH
12-29-2005, 11:06 PM
UPS delivered my HF micro mill with the crate smashed and it rocking and rolling. I accepted it as the only damage I saw was the speed control knob was pushed in a bit.
Then Canon fixed my 20D camera, returned it to me and something inside it is still rattling, I just dont want to send it back. Maybe I should.

Luke55
12-30-2005, 08:42 AM
Did you buy it to make a heavier plow frame.!!! dum

Rustybolt
12-30-2005, 09:51 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wierdscience:
That reminds me of a load my brother almost hauled.He and three other drivers were picking up steel coils in Penn.to be hauled to Laredo,Tx.

Ever notice how they only put two coils on a 48' flat?And ever notice how the space them out about 16' apart?Well the forklift operator was new on the job and he loaded my brother's trailer first,both coils right in the middle http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif
Lufkin trailers never intended for the're design to handle a 45,000lb point load,after the mess was moved off the trailer,it had a permanant 3' swayback http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif</font>


Saw a coil come off the bed of a truck making a turn at an intersection. When they hit, they don't roll. They sort of unwind though and they leave a very nice divot in the pavement.
The funniest one was watching three guys try to load a 45 ton punch press onto a flatbed.They had it upright and pushed it a little too hard to get it centered. It toppled off the the other side.Again a nice divot in the pavement.

thistle
12-30-2005, 10:43 AM
On occasion a nuke sub will turn up here- they need lots of shore power,they usually ship in a couple of portable gensets.
Well I am traveling along and lo and behold
whoever was transporting one of these gen sets-( which are the size of a 20 foot shipping container) dropped one on its side in the middle of the road.Idiots did not put it on a trailer for containers,ie dogs at each corner,but on a trailer for moving digging equipment,put a couple chains on it and hauled ass down the road till he hit a corner.
hate to think what that cost.

thistle
12-30-2005, 10:51 AM
Come to think of it i was driving along another time and noticed a 3 inch by 1.5 groove in the road, eh ?
swerve- utility pole planted in the middleof the road, swerve another....

trailer had been transporting a heavy truck that had come half off unoticed by
the driver who was dragging it along taking out poles which stayed vertical due to the wires, but moved over about 6 feet.
I was amazed at the distance he travelled without noticing.

wierdscience
12-30-2005, 11:08 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rustybolt:

Saw a coil come off the bed of a truck making a turn at an intersection. When they hit, they don't roll. They sort of unwind though and they leave a very nice divot in the pavement.
The funniest one was watching three guys try to load a 45 ton punch press onto a flatbed.They had it upright and pushed it a little too hard to get it centered. It toppled off the the other side.Again a nice divot in the pavement.

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About ten years ago a coil fell off a truck in the middle of the interstate and it to made a nice divot in the pavement,about 6" deep and 3/4 the diameter of the coil which was about 7'.

As God as my witness,one of our local cops arrived on the scene and proceeded to try and move the coil,which was sunk in the road 6",with his Ford crown vic squad car and a nylon tow strap http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Those Crown vics are good cars,but they ain't that good http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

3 Phase Lightbulb
01-02-2006, 03:54 PM
Wow, Grizzly just jacked the price up $165 more for it... I wonder if that's to cover the one New Penn destroyed last week, or if it's just their yearly price hikes.

BTW, I'm getting the replacement on Wednesday.

-Adrian

lwalker
01-02-2006, 06:35 PM
Well, may as well toss in my $0.02 :-)
I've seen my share of vehicles wedged under overpasses (including one huge front end loader on a flatbed, top of cab peeled back a few feet).

But the strange one was when I lived in Bridgeport, CT: a town that should be familiar to anyone on this board :-) Driving to work one day and saw an 18-wheeler with most of the tractor end hanging off the edge of the I-95 overpass into empty space about 30' above the road (State st) below. Don't know how the 5th wheel is connected, but it was the only thing keeping the truck from plunging into the ground.

litman252
01-02-2006, 07:19 PM
Jeez you guys are mean. Those Dumb azz's on the forklifts are doing there job, that is putting food on my table since I fix them for a living. ;-)

For the last 18 mos. I've been at a canning factory that runns lots of hours with a fair amount of turnover, there is not enough screen for all the story's..........

Those counter weights on the back, do come off though.



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m squared
01-02-2006, 08:51 PM
The last time I went to NTC (Fort Irwin California, the National Training Center) I was with a heavy armored cav troop. they truck the M1's out from the Motor pool to the maneuver area, to avoid wear and tear on the roads I guess.

The "preferred" method for unlaoding a 70 ton main battle tank? Release the chains, back the trailer up and stop suddenly and the tank rolls off the back of the trailer.
Believe it or not the truckers that brought our tanks out were "good" (lucky?) enough to park our tanks in a row with less than a vehicle width between them. Your tax dollars at work.

Maybe those same guys were unloading Adrians saw and just cought a bad break.

M2

Evan
01-02-2006, 11:25 PM
There was an accident recently in the Vancouver area. A garbage truck driver was tooling down the hiway. He didn't realize that the dumpster forks were still partly raised. He hit a concrete pedestrian overpass with the forks and knocked it off the piles on both sides of the road. It landed right on top of the cab and made him about one inch tall. It flattened the cab right down to the frame rails.

Doc Nickel
01-02-2006, 11:48 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wierdscience:
As God as my witness,one of our local cops arrived on the scene and proceeded to try and move the coil,which was sunk in the road 6",with his Ford crown vic squad car and a nylon tow strap.</font>

-I'd have paid cash money to see that. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

When my Grizzly mill was delivered, the truck driver (local company) plunked it down with the truck's lift gate. Mill weighed just a frog over 2,000 pounds, the lift had a capacity of 1,200.

It was just going down though, so it apparently worked. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Also, the Griz import pallet was too wide for the American forks, so they (the local truckers) stuck the mill pallet on top of a regular pallet... which was about half the size.

The lift gate scared the hell out of me, because to get it far enough over so that the pallet(s) wouldn't catch on the box floor as it started to decend (and once started, couldn't be stopped due to the weight) the handler had to sneak the pallet jack ALL the way over to the edge. The rear steerable wheel was an RCH from the breakover on the ramp. We're talking 1/4" and the mill would have fell three and a half feet to the concrete, probably falling sideways. And maybe maiming one of us if we weren't fast enough.

Scared me a bit, but luckily all went well. Other than the driver crunching into the house as he was trying to turn around to line up with the shop. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

But it was worth it. I've had the mill in place almost three years now, and I'm still very happy with it.

Doc.

wierdscience
01-03-2006, 12:00 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by litman252:


Those counter weights on the back, do come off though.

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Hahaha...I've seen it,almost!Allis Chalmers 3,000lb lift at work,the guys kept wondering what that loud clunk was when the bounced it over a rutt.I told them it was the counter wieght fixing to jump off the pegs,they didn't believe me....until last month when I started to tear it down for a new ring gear.Pulled two bolts out of the exhuast coupling and the wieght lifted right off.

One of the guys said"geez,whoda thunk it?" http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

cam m
01-03-2006, 06:49 PM
Trucker stories? How about the trucker hauling 400 barrel tanks (12' dia cylinder) down a 4 lane divided highway on a "scissor neck" tridem trailer. He'd forgotten to lower the scissor neck. He hit an overpass at 70 mph. Folded the 3/16" wall tank like a american beer can and scattered concrete all over all 4 lanes. -or- The oilfield hauler that winched a rig building +/- #70,000 onto a trailer (over a roller) and took off without chaining it down. Dropped the building onto the dirt road at 50 mph. The impact buckled the 10 gage walls. totalled the genset inside. -or- The driver that got lost and turned around in a farmyard - he levelled 3 buildings before he backed back out onto the road. -or- the heavy haul contractor that had a shaft break on a winch and dropped a $500,000 drilling rig derrick 8' to the ground. Most oilfield truckers up here run oilfeild float trailers with end rollers and winch tractors. I've seen a crew of them park 20 buildings 2'or less apart along a fence never scratching a one of them. All the loads are shaken off and rolled off the back of the trailers. Loads weigh #40,000 - #110,000



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3 Phase Lightbulb
01-03-2006, 08:18 PM
My saw came today. The first thing I did was make a 6 caster platform for it so I can move it around. It must weigh 750lbs or so.

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/saw1.jpg

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/saw2.jpg

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/saw3.jpg

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/saw4.jpg

-Adrian

Willy
01-03-2006, 09:04 PM
Nice bandsaw Adrian,I'm happy for ya.It always seems to take longer when you have to wait for something that you've already paid for. With your floor space I'm surprised that you put wheels on it though.Have fun making little ones out of big ones.

JRouche
01-03-2006, 09:10 PM
Really a nice looking saw.

Does the spring work against the hydraulic ram to provide constant pressure? If so I like, and will adjust mine accordingly.

I notice when cutting thin wall tube my saw will cut slowly until it gets to the "side wall" cut then wants to chew up fast.

Problem, I dont want it speeding up at various points, I want it to cut at the same speed.

So if I have a push/pull type arrangement it may help. I only have the ram with the weight of the saw pushing downward.

Again, nice saw. Maybe I'll move a lathe and git one http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif JRouche

3 Phase Lightbulb
01-03-2006, 09:14 PM
The spring lightens the weight of the saw head and the hydrolic down feed controls the feed rate. I haven't tried it out yet.

-Adrian

3 Phase Lightbulb
01-03-2006, 09:42 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Willy:
With your floor space I'm surprised that you put wheels on it though.Have fun making little ones out of big ones.</font>

If everything (big) is on wheels, it lets me easily/quickly make more room by moving things around. I can also quickly move the saw around if I need to cut something akward. My 52" shear is on wheels too. I wish I made my heavy duty shop bench on wheels.

MickeyD
01-03-2006, 09:58 PM
Man, that thing makes my 7x12 look small. You are going to have to build a bigger shop pretty soon. Let us know how it works.

Dan Craig
03-04-2006, 01:19 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 3 Phase Lightbulb:
My saw came today. The first thing I did was make a 6 caster platform for it so I can move it around. It must weigh 750lbs or so.

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/saw1.jpg

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Sorry to resurrect this topic, but...the second thing you should do, if you haven't already is add a filter of some sort to the coolant recovery or pump to cut down on the clogging of the little ball valve which controls it.

We've begun using a latex paint strainer over the pump's intake on our little horiz. bandsaw and have virtually eliminated the continual clogging and inconsistent coolant flow.