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3 Phase Lightbulb
04-23-2005, 04:27 PM
I've been looking high and low for a good shear for my shop... The best deal I've been able to find so far is the Grizzly G5772..

The only problem is I hate Grizzly.. Does anyone know where a machine with the same specs, same price could be found?

http://images.grizzly.com/grizzlycom/pics/jpeg288/G/G5772.jpg

I need something that will cut 16 gauge mild steel, and 14 guage aluminum..

-Adrian

Forrest Addy
04-23-2005, 05:41 PM
Enco. Be warned: when they say it will shear 16 ga they mean barely. It takes a hell of a foot shear to cut 16 ga consistantly. First thing I'd do is install a good work hold down on it. As soon as these over-rated shears get a little time on their knives they scoot the work in the cut.

3 Phase Lightbulb
04-23-2005, 05:51 PM
Enco is not even in the ballpark... Their only 52" x 16 guage (20 guage for stainless) foot sheer is $2659.95 (#505-1375):

http://www.use-enco.com/ProductImages/0953146-11.jpg

The Grizzly 52" x 16 guage goot shear (same specs) is $975:

http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?ItemNumber=G5772

I'm looking for the same 52" x 16 guage foot shear from someone other than Grizzly. If I have to, I'll give my business to Grizzly, but I'd rather pay a little more or anyone else.

-Adrian

pokey
04-23-2005, 05:56 PM
I've also looked for one of these shears and your right no one else even comes close to the price if you buy from grizzly let me know how it works out for you.

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3 Phase Lightbulb
04-23-2005, 06:02 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pokey:
I've also looked for one of these shears and your right no one else even comes close to the price if you buy from grizzly let me know how it works out for you.
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I've been burned by Grizzly in the past, so I'm not interested in burning myself again.. I'd rather TIG a hole in my finger than give my business to Grizzly again.. Hopefully someone knows of a distributor that has the same 52" x 16 guage foot shear for around $1k like Grizzly.

-Adrian

3 Phase Lightbulb
04-23-2005, 06:23 PM
The Harbor Freight unit (52" x 20 Ga) @ $929 looks like the same machine that Grizzly is selling for $975 (52" x 16 Ga)... They weigh the same but Harbor Freight says 20 ga capacity, and Grizzly is saying 16 ga capacity.

I wonder if Grizzly is just saying their unit is 16 ga because they were able to cut 16 ga with it... I wouldn't be surprised.. I would think either HF has under rated theirs, or Grizzly has grossly over rated theirs.. Both machines seem to have the same weight... I would think the weight and structural difference between a 16ga machine and a 20ga machine would be eye poking.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1733

-Adrian

WJHartson
04-23-2005, 06:25 PM
If you are going to do any amount of shearing of 16 gage steel in 48" wide pieces I would buy a Pexto 52" made by Roper Whitney. I have owned 2 of them and they work great. Still have one now and cut steel, stainless and aluminum. They cost about $2,500 or so today but are well worth it. You can find used one on ebay. I have not used a Tennsmith but have been told they are pretty good. Old Di acro shears are also very good but they are expensive even used.

Joe

3 Phase Lightbulb
04-23-2005, 06:38 PM
I don't plan on doing a lot of cuts. Most of my cuts will be in .063 and a little .100" alum. The Pexto's are nice, but I don;t want to spend much over $1k for a shear due to the limited use it will get. I probably could do everything with one of those 30" 3-in-1 machines, but I'm trying to go with a 52" 16ga machine.

-Adrian

WJHartson
04-23-2005, 06:50 PM
Look for a used 52" american made shear for $1000, they do exist. There was a 52" G series that sold for about $1,300 on ebay not long ago. If it would have been closer I would have bid on it. That shear is a gap shear that will make multipal cut in 52" long cuts. You will be much happier in the long run. The 3 in 1 machines are not that good.

Joe

3 Phase Lightbulb
04-23-2005, 07:00 PM
Hey Joe,

Thanks for the info. My experience with shears has been limited. Here are the some of the shears available in the local wantads where I live.. Does any of these stand out to you?


WHITNEY ANGLE IRON NOTCHER, UNIVERSAL BENDER & FLR STAND. Shear missing. $275;

HENDLEY & WHITTEMORE #53 PUNCH PRESS. This is a flywheel mach w/foot pedal. Vy durable. It has a punch station & a shear station. Lots of punches incl w/mach. $1000/bo;

USED TENNSMITH T52 FOOT SHEAR. Will shear 52' of 16 gauge mild steel. Exc cond. $1600;

PEXTO 6' 16 GAUGE GAP SHEAR. Older style overdriven flywhl type. Gd working cond. $2900;

SHEET METAL SHEAR. 1986. 3' Enco jump shear in gd cond. $300/bo;

SHEET METAL STOMP SHEAR PEXTO. 36". Gd operating cond. $850;

Too_Many_Tools
04-23-2005, 07:04 PM
A thought for you...

Good sheet metal tools (used or new) are expensive, bulky and in my case not used every day. Also in sheet metal tools, cheap and shoddy workmanship show up quickly. Almost every 3-in-1 Asian combination sheet metal tool I have seen in person has been a POS. This might have been an coincidence but it convinced me that buying older American iron was definitely the way to go.

The compromise I made was to acquire used 24" Diacro equipment for bending, shearing and rolling and a 36" Pexto foot shear for larger cuts. While it is true that I can't handle 48" wide sheets for the initial cuts, I can easily have that one cut done locally at minimum cost without having a large bulky shear that is seldom used taking up valuable shop space. It is like having a long metal lathe where majority of the work done is accomplished within the first twelve inches of the headstock. For me, having the larger shear would be a waste of money and space because I work with smaller sections most often.

Something to consider....

Good luck with the search and let us know how what you end up getting.

TMT

CCWKen
04-23-2005, 07:31 PM
Tennsmith, Famco, Pexto, National and Tinknocker are all pretty good machines. I believe these are all made in USA. Of course, you pay the price. If you can find a 52" in good shape from this list for $1000 or less, JUMP ON IT! The "going rate" for a used 36" is around $800.

For new equipment at about $1000, your only choice will be Grizzly, Enco, Harbor Freight, Jet and the other private lables. These are all made in China. 16ga. is pushing the limit on these and could result in broken dies.

I just noticed the pic of the Enco model you show looks like a National. That's the reason for the higher price.



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3 Phase Lightbulb
04-23-2005, 07:57 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CCWKen:
For new equipment at about $1000, your only choice will be Grizzly, Enco, Harbor Freight, Jet and the other private lables.</font>

Yea the Enco model was a National Made in the USA... I couldn't find a china 52" x 16ga foot shear from Enco though.. Enco has a 52" x 20ga unit for $1k, Harbor Freight has a 20ga unit for $1k, and Grizzly has a 16ga unit for $1k....

I think the Grizzly unit is probably the same as the 20ga units being sold by Enco and HF -- except Grizzly is probably just saying 16ga because that's how they are.. Bastards.

-Adrian

WJHartson
04-23-2005, 10:12 PM
The Tennsmith is probably the best buy in the list. Think the price is a little high but not by a lot. If it is local take a look at it and make an offer. Try $1300 and see what happens. Don't know what you are going to make but the 52" is great for initial cuts from a large full sheet 4 x 8 or 10. Then you make smaller cuts.
There is other equipment that makes working sheet metal a lot easier. I have a Tennsmith 6x6 notcher for cutting corner out, a large bead roller made by Pexto and a Roper Whitney punch #7 IIRC and a 5XX. I also have a 6" and 12" Di Acro shear and the same sizes of finger brakes. The brake I use the most is a Magnabend electro magnetic 52" sold by Roper Whitney. This is the most useful brake that I have ever seen. The only Asian piece of sheet metal equipment I have is a 50" sliproll and I don't use it much. It is not as good as the american sliprolls that I have used. I'm looking for a 12" Di Acro sliproll used at a reasonable price. The Di Acro equipment is really top notch but it isn't cheap even used.

Joe

3 Phase Lightbulb
04-23-2005, 11:39 PM
I found several other 52" 16 gauge foot shears and it does seem like the Grizzly is the best deal so I bit my tonge and ordered one from Grizzly.. Hopefully Grizzly doesn't let me down again. We'll see.

-Adrian

Forrest Addy
04-24-2005, 01:29 AM
If you're gonna shear 16 ga and 0.100" aluminum consistantly and are thinking that purchasing a 16 ga rated Asian built shear to do the job spend the money once on adequated equipment and get the job done. Many aluminum alloys are tough and can offer as much shearing resistance as the next thinner gage mild steel. I strongly suggest you reconsider get a 12 ga rated shear.

3 Phase Lightbulb
04-24-2005, 01:37 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Forrest Addy:
If you're gonna shear 16 ga and 0.100" aluminum consistantly and are thinking that purchasing a 16 ga rated Asian built shear to do the job spend the money once on adequated equipment and get the job done. Many aluminum alloys are tough and can offer as much shearing resistance as the next thinner gage mild steel. I strongly suggest you reconsider get a 12 ga rated shear. </font>

I plan to mostly use cut .060-.063 3030 alum sheet.. I might do a little bit of .100" but only small strips a few inches wide (not an entire width worth).

If it's really a 16 guage mild steel machine, then I'm not concerned a bit. I was going to make due with a 30" 20 gauge machine initially.

My concern is Grizzly has put a 16ga rating on a 20ga machine.. We'll see..

-Adrian

rockrat
04-24-2005, 09:59 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12578&item=7510341520&rd=1

This shear might not be a bad deal if it comes with the "legs". Might be more expensive over time though.

Sorry, couldn't help it. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Good luck - rock

Too_Many_Tools
04-24-2005, 11:16 AM
I might add that I have a Beverly shear that I use to cut thicker and larger sheet metal.

While it is not a squaring shear like the one you are discussing, it allows me to handle the thicker and larger sheets and still stores under the bench.

Good luck with the search.

TMT

GHop
04-24-2005, 10:10 PM
Take a look at Wysong. I have a 52 inch that I has given me good service for many years.

GHop

3 Phase Lightbulb
04-24-2005, 10:16 PM
I ended up ordering the Grizzly 52" x 16ga unit. I'll post my experiences with it here when I get it.. I've got a shipment of .063, .090, and .100" alum sheets arriving around the same time too so I'll also try out how well it works with the different gauges.

-Adrian

Toolbert
04-25-2005, 12:28 AM
One post too late here...

If it's not for every-day use, then get a *good* 24" shear, and a hand power shear for the occasional wider piece.

I'm happy with a Di-acro 16 gage 24" shear, found a local one on ebay few years back. Also have a 3-in-1 but used mostly as a brake.

Have got a lot of mileage out of a Kett 14 gage double-cut (3 blade) shear, they raise up a center cut leaving both sides of the sheet flat and undistorted, and it's reasonably easy to follow a line.

Bob

Too_Many_Tools
04-25-2005, 10:16 AM
Good suggestion about the Kett 14 gage double-cut (3 blade) shear, I have one and it is very handy. It also takes much less space to store than a large squaring shear.

TMT

3 Phase Lightbulb
04-25-2005, 10:53 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Too_Many_Tools:
Good suggestion about the Kett 14 gage double-cut (3 blade) shear, I have one and it is very handy. It also takes much less space to store than a large squaring shear.

TMT</font>


Do you guys have a link? Is it a throatless shear? I was planning on using my band saw or plasma to cut really thick material, but I also have seen some of those 6" throatless shears that will shear 1/4" with a 6" blade.. Are those the kind you're talking about?

-Adrian

3 Phase Lightbulb
04-28-2005, 12:04 AM
I got my Grizzly 52" x 16ga shear tonight.. I went down to the local shipping hub and picked it up.. It's a heavy bastard at 1200lbs.

http://www.bbssystem.com/projects/shear1.jpg

The shear was sitting on a pallet and I had to get it off the pallet before I could back it into my garage otherwise it was too high. I had to run some 4x4's across the top of my bed, put some two jacks ontop of the 4x4's, and jack the entire shear up off my bed so I could slide out the pallet:

http://www.bbssystem.com/projects/shear2.jpg


My battery in the camera died after I took that picture so I didn't get pictures of all of the damn winches, come alongs, pipes and crazy setups I needed to get it safely in my garage, but it's finally there.. I'll finish the final assembly, micro adjust the blade, and try some cuts with it tomorrow.

It seems like it's a very heavy duty unit.. The blade looks like it's 5/8" wide.. It's a mongo size blade..

-Adrian

torker
04-28-2005, 12:51 AM
Adrian, ya lucky bugger! Nice shear! I want one of those someday too. Let us know how it works.
Watched a bit of some chopper show a while back (Southern Choppers maybe) and they had a smaller foot shear they where using. I couldn't believe how hard they had to jump on it to cut 20guage.
Hey...you are fast approaching "the Ultimate Tool Guy" status. Soon we will all bow to you at 5pm everyday http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Russ

wierdscience
04-28-2005, 09:15 PM
Whatever you do,don't do what my boss did once,accidentally trim both middle and ringfingers the same length http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif

3 Phase Lightbulb
04-28-2005, 09:46 PM
I setup my new shear tonight and did some 16ga cuts with it. I've only cut 6061 T4 16ga with it so far, but it cuts really nice. It won't cut if you just press down with your foot. You really do have to press hard or jump on the foot lever but you can tell the machine is designed for some serious jumping.

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/shear/DSCN4874.JPG

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/shear/DSCN4872.JPG

I haven't installed the back gauge yet, but I did shear a bunch of 16ga 6061 alum strips from a 2' wide sheet:

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/shear/DSCN4876.JPG

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/shear/DSCN4878.JPG

And then into small TIG practice pieces:

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/shear/DSCN4881.JPG

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/shear/DSCN4880.JPG

Here is the front guage:

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/shear/DSCN4875.JPG

I like it a lot.. I'll have to try and see if I can shear .100" but I might have to jump off a ladder onto the shear lever http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

-Adrian

[This message has been edited by 3 Phase Lightbulb (edited 04-28-2005).]

torker
04-29-2005, 12:31 AM
I now officially hate you.... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif!
Did you read weirds post??? Maybe you should haul that up to BC...I'd hate to see you loose any digits!
Russ
BTW....looks like it cuts pretty nice! I can make the same parts....in 4 days with the plasma cutter, mill, file, grinder and the wifes nail file http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//frown.gif