PDA

View Full Version : Shop Layout Help.....



3 Phase Lightbulb
06-25-2005, 02:13 PM
I just cleared off a wall in my shop that's about 15 feet wide. I'm trying to figure out what would be the best use for that wall. I could build shelves, or put up Peg board, or a combination of the two, or leave it bare are put tool chests there, etc.. I'm wondering what ideas people have for getting the most bang (Storage wise and usefullness) out of a 15 foot wall.. I'd say I can come out 3 feet from the wall if I were to build shelves, etc..

Anyone have a pictures of their shop walls?

-Adrian

aboard_epsilon
06-25-2005, 02:35 PM
The method I use for very strong shelves is to ..
Get some one inch wide by quarter thick steel.
cut into lengths of about 4 foot.
drill your anchor bolt holes into them.
weld onto these at 90 degrees, heavy 1x1x11 inch steel box section as the shelf suports.
three supports for 4 foot lenghts or 4 for 5 foot lenghts......

paint and screw into rows down the wall
four foot apart.......no more or you will end up with sagging shelves.
buy plastic end-caps/plugs for the 1x1's...avalable from any fabrication shop
use solid wood board plained all round as your shelves inch thick by 12 inches wide.
they over hang by one inch ..makes for a finished look.
what you will end up with is the strongest..easyiest and cheepest to build shelves imaginable.
capable of suporting 200lbs on each shelf
plus you will have 4 or 5 feet below them of more space to use how you like.
the above method is for a brick,concrete or block wall.
all the best...mark

[This message has been edited by aboard_epsilon (edited 06-25-2005).]

JRouche
06-25-2005, 03:00 PM
This storage solution is only good for a wall that wont have anything in front of it, such as my back wall for the garage. The "cubby holes" are about 14" deep by 9" high and 11" wide. I think there are 144 of them, or so. The whole unit along with the doors is about 25" deep. If interested I'll go into how I built them. JRouche


There are three sections, each with a door.

Right side closed

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/Jrouche/storage/rightclosed.jpg

Right side open

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/Jrouche/storage/rightopen.jpg

Left side closed

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/Jrouche/storage/leftclosed.jpg

Left side open

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/Jrouche/storage/leftopen.jpg

Middle open

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/Jrouche/storage/midopen.jpg



[This message has been edited by JRouche (edited 06-25-2005).]

3 Phase Lightbulb
06-25-2005, 03:03 PM
I'm trying to find something to do with that wall that will help give me more floor space and allow me to store as much stuff with it as well. I was thinking maybe some rolling tool chests that are large enough for most of the things I would place on sleves.. Does anyone have a setup like this? I just copy/pasted this together as an idea for my wall:

http://www.bbssystem.com/projects/wall.jpg

I'd like to be able to put both bulky items (Air tools), and also lots of smaller items (Bolts/hardware/etc) in something like those chests.. I think being able to roll them out of there mught be handy too and have the bear wall again..

-Adrian

3 Phase Lightbulb
06-25-2005, 03:15 PM
JRouche,

That's really nice. I was actually thinking about building something like that (Just the cubby holes). One of the problems I'm trying to solve, if I have a ton of misc stuff and right now I have stuff in boxes, and bins, and since I can't see the stuff I have, I forget that I have it, so I never end up using it. I wish there was a way to organize my stuff so I can see all of it. I was thinking that drawers might be easier for me because I'll end up putting items behind items on shelves, and I won't be able to see the items at the back..

The problem with drawers, Is I'll only know what's in them if I use them frequenty..

-Adrian

JRouche
06-25-2005, 03:20 PM
I had the same problem. More of the junk, I mean very important future necessities are small. I made the top ones without a three inch lip, basically allowing me to see the entire cubby. The lower ones have a three inch front lip to retain very small or loose items..I know exactly what I have now. JRouche

ibewgypsie
06-25-2005, 03:28 PM
I put duct tape with items-listed on my roll-around. About figured them out now top lid won't close, it's too full.

I put a rows of shelves up high for hte bushels of books I have. A 24"'er over the lathe holds my beer fridge and stereo, a metal rack next to the mill holds the mill tools and lathe tooling. Never enough room. The roll-around table I built to hold the indexer has assembly of parts on it. Doing too many things in too small of a space for sure.

Never have enough shelves. Put them up high out of the way. I have about three feet of books devoted to just the mill. I at least know where they are. While they were in th ehouse I didn't.

Tinkerer
06-25-2005, 04:51 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 3 Phase Lightbulb:

I just cleared off a wall in my shop that's about 15 feet wide. I'm trying to figure out what would be the best use for that wall.

I'm trying to find something to do with that wall that will help give me more floor space

-Adrian</font>

Hang a door on the wall to accesses a addition... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

If you place it to one side or the other you can still put up some shelves. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif

I Like JRouche's idea.

john hobdeclipe
06-25-2005, 06:26 PM
Send it to me, freight prepaid…I could really use 15 feet of clear wall space!

Find an auction that is heavy with office furnishings or the like. Buy some steel 2-door cabinets. Put them on homemade pallets. Then buy a pallet jack. Now you can line the cabinets up along the wall, and as you needs change, or if you need to change your shop layout, you can easily move these around. You can line them up two deep, with little-used stuff in the back row.

Just be sure to make the pallets about an inch larger all the way around than the cabinets, and nail down a little wood strip to keep the cabinet from walking off the edge, and keep the heavy stuff down low.

I have everything in my little woodworking shop set up so that I can move it and rearrange it with the pallet jack. It was my wife’s idea…and a good one!

3 Phase Lightbulb
06-27-2005, 10:45 PM
I ended up buying some tool chests this weekend for wall storage. I also ordered 5 large deep drawer top chests that fit ontop of the base units but they were not in stock so I have to wait two weeks for them to arrive. Now I need to get a label printer http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

http://www.bbssystem.com/projects/chests1.jpg

http://www.bbssystem.com/projects/chests2.jpg

http://www.bbssystem.com/projects/chests3.jpg

-Adrian

Arcane
06-27-2005, 11:30 PM
3 Phase Lightbulb, that is one of the best ideas for garage storage I have seen!

CCWKen
06-28-2005, 12:14 AM
Tool boxes are a terrible waste of wall space and even a poorer method of storage. The roll-a-rounds can go anywhere and can be parked back to back, if need be. Shelves/cabinets, benches and drawers make better storage units. I wish I had room for a 15' bench.

Obviously, you don't have enough tools or machinery! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

3 Phase Lightbulb
06-28-2005, 12:32 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CCWKen:
Tool boxes are a terrible waste of wall space and even a poorer method of storage. The roll-a-rounds can go anywhere and can be parked back to back, if need be. Shelves/cabinets, benches and drawers make better storage units. I wish I had room for a 15' bench.

Obviously, you don't have enough tools or machinery! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif</font>


I tore down the 15 foot bench that was already there because it was a complete waste of space and utterly useless. Talk about a waste of space. This is a before/after picture:

Before:

http://www.bbssystem.com/projects/bench.jpg

After:

http://www.bbssystem.com/projects/new.jpg

-Adrian

Steve Stube
06-28-2005, 12:43 AM
3 Phase Lightbulb, you should have ordered them empty not full of new tools. Now where are you going to put things?

3 Phase Lightbulb
06-28-2005, 12:53 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Steve Stube:
3 Phase Lightbulb, you should have ordered them empty not full of new tools. Now where are you going to put things?</font>

My shop is getting cleaner and cleaner as I start taking my tools off my shop benches, tables, floor and putting them into the tool chests. The hard part is trying to organize categories so I can quickly find something instead of having to open every drawer when I'm looking for something (That's what I want to avoid).

-Adrian

tattoomike68
06-28-2005, 01:52 AM
the name of this topic should be " Shop space on wheels"

how did you deal with the rolling shear?

I hope you are not chasing it around jumping on it too. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

Your Old Dog
06-28-2005, 08:02 AM
JRouche, does you unit hang from the ceiling or support from the ceiling and 4 or 5 " wheels on the bottom? Really a neat setup!

As a rookie, if I had much plain wall space I'd likely make a "wailing wall". Some place to go cry when I really mess something up. The "crying towel" is loaded with grease and holds too much swarf to be of safe use. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

JRouche
06-28-2005, 09:15 AM
3 Phase: Dont forget to get a nice sized pipe cutter and trim that pipe outta there http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif


Your Old Dog: The doors(3) roll on some bearings I had on hand. I cut a 3" wide strip of 16ga. sheet metal to line the concrete floor that the bearings ride on. The sheet metal strips are surrounded by a wood guild for the bottom of the doors. JRouche

Swarf&Sparks
06-28-2005, 09:36 AM
Am I missing something here? 15 FEET of vacant wall? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

3 Phase Lightbulb
06-28-2005, 10:28 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tattoomike68:
the name of this topic should be " Shop space on wheels"

how did you deal with the rolling shear?

I hope you are not chasing it around jumping on it too. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif</font>

I think I'm going to place the shear where the tool chest on the end next to the poll is.. That was the original plan before I got the chests idea. I'll probably move that chest to another location because the shear on wheels fits in that spot nicely. The shear is pushed up against my welding/shop table right now.

JRouche: I'm wondering what kind of storage units I can mount to that pole. Maybe just a bunch of hooks to hang things from..

-Adrian

Evan
06-28-2005, 10:55 AM
Hmm. You asked for a picture of my shop wall...

This is one of them.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/g1.jpg

andy_b
06-28-2005, 11:50 AM
i don't think Adrian uses those tools. look how shiny they are. no marks on the sockets from turning them with vise grips, and no weld splatter from using them as welding jigs. plus i don't see any cracks in the sockets from putting 5' cheater bars on 1/2" drive sockets to get 500ft-lbs of force on a nut. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

i do like the rolling toolbox idea. in fact i bought a second one a few months ago to put the various small machine tool accessories into that i was accumulating over the past year.

andy b.

3 Phase Lightbulb
06-28-2005, 11:55 AM
That's exactly what I wanted to steer away from http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif I really wanted to have most of my items visible but it just wasn't going to happen without utter chaos.

-Adrian

Evan
06-28-2005, 12:00 PM
It's a simple consequence of having too much stuff. I also have four roll arounds full of tools and basically three shop areas. The garage where the pic is taken, the machine shop downstairs and the buffing and grinding room isolated from the machine shop. Also not shown in that pic (it's a couple of years old) is my Strands drill press and the horizontal band saw which live in the garage.

3 Phase Lightbulb
06-28-2005, 12:07 PM
Yup, that's my new socket set that I haven't touched yet. My old set is scattered around all over the place in my garage and basement. It would probably take all day to find them. I found one of my old deep sockets on my lawn the other day. Musta rolled out of the garage and down the driveway last year http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

-Adrian

Your Old Dog
06-28-2005, 01:19 PM
I see that pipe that some want you to take out as a nice support for a macho swinging overhead bank of flourescent lights that can be swung out where your working. I've also seen guys make brackets and mount grinders on pipes just like that. It's an asset, not a liability http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Steve Stube
06-28-2005, 02:12 PM
Your idea of using the Craftsman cabinets I understand but I found that the 2 double deckers I have will hardly can be considered portable after I loaded them with tools. I put some marginally better casters on them and they still don't move without lots of pursuading. I use 5 of the Craftsman benches upstairs (2 more in the garage) but most of my benches are built on metal Lab cabinets.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/ceethese/Shop%20Photos/WS5-27-042.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/ceethese/Shop%20Photos/WS5-27-043.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/ceethese/Shop%20Photos/ShopSCabinets.jpg

20+ feet of benches on each side of this isle facing each other plus the metal overhead cabinets and storage above that.
As you can see, even with lots of drawers there is no garantee the bench tops will be seen.

When I see an opening on a wall I build more storage shelves.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/ceethese/Shop%20Photos/Shelfbracketsatdoor.jpg

But they fill up so quick!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/ceethese/Shop%20Photos/RustoleumQuartsMay05.jpg



[This message has been edited by Steve Stube (edited 06-28-2005).]

3 Phase Lightbulb
06-28-2005, 02:18 PM
Your right, I can barely see anything in those 160 x 120 thumbnails.. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif Do you have larger versions?

-Adrian

Steve Stube
06-28-2005, 03:13 PM
Geezs, the big photos were too big and the small ones too small. Hope this is okay.

Finding more storage space to put things away is a never ending battle I have found.

If you go to this link and look at the electric room you will see more evidence of clutter.
http://www.chaski.com/ubb/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=hmalbum&Number=2090&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=7&o=all&fpart=all

Here is about a 12' bench with 1-1/4" Birdseye Maple top I remember building it but haven't seen it for a very long time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/ceethese/Shop%20Photos/LabBench3.jpg
I have lots more in benches and cupboards but I'll spare you the trouble of trying to see a CLEAR bench top - I don't have any.

3 Phase Lightbulb
06-28-2005, 03:15 PM
I've been trying to find space to mount poly bins because I love being able to just see inside them when I'm looking for bolts, nuts, etc.. I mounted a bunch of poly bins behind my lathe on the wall:

http://www.bbssystem.com/projects/wall2.jpg

I also recently built a drawer for my Welding/Shop bench that's around 40" wide, and 20" deep and 3" tall where I keep some hand tools that give easy access to thgem while working on projects on my bench:

http://www.bbssystem.com/projects/wall3.jpg

I'm going to build 3 more drawers like that one. My shop bench will soon be completely clean on top when I finish moving all of the crap into the chests.

http://www.bbssystem.com/projects/wall4.jpg


-Adrian

J Tiers
06-28-2005, 04:19 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I've been trying to find space to mount poly bins because I love being able to just see inside them when I'm looking for bolts, nuts, etc.. I mounted a bunch of poly bins behind my lathe on the wall:
</font>

How do you like them?

I was going to do something similar. Then I figured that they were basically swarf collectors, and that I wasn't going to want to stretch out over the lathe to grab anything.

As for putting it BACK, that has to be easy, or else it generally won't happen.

3 Phase Lightbulb
06-28-2005, 04:25 PM
The bins work great. I haven't turned anything yet with the bins there so I;m not sure how many chips (if any) will be tossed into the bins, but it doesn't matter to me. I keep all of my bolts, nuts, washers, dry wall screws, and rivets in those bins.. I just reach over and grab however many I need.

-Adrian