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nheng
07-14-2004, 06:40 PM
Has anyone seen or used a drill press like this? Unfortunately, I did not have time to get information from it due to time constraints. It's in the family "collection". Who would most likely be interested in something like this (blacksmith, museum, ??).

http://home.comcast.net/~nheng/img_qaz_xsw_stf/drill_press_shrink.jpg

Love that open gearing ... can anyone say "buzz cut" http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif

Den

CCWKen
07-14-2004, 07:08 PM
It's called a Post Drill. These were common on farms or shops with limited electric service. If it's for sale, I'll take it!

nheng
07-14-2004, 07:16 PM
From my higher res image, it looks like it may be a Canedy and maybe #770. It's my wife's dad's and still has the warranty card attached http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif Don't know about selling it yet.

Does this thing have power downfeed or was the gearing just to bump up the rpms when hand powered?

CCWKen
07-14-2004, 08:32 PM
The X handle is the downfeed. The "power" came from another handle and should be on the left side (Can't quite see it in the pic). I also noticed another geared shaft coming up from the bottom. This is probably to raise and lower the table. That certainly is the most "full-featured" post drill I've seen.

By the way, these didn't have a stand--they bolted to a column or post; Hence the name.

Forgot to mention: Yes some of these had "power downfeed". It looks like this one does have the gearing. Also, the wheel on top acts like a flywheel.



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nheng
07-14-2004, 09:41 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw it run under power a year or so ago. I don't recall how the power came in though. It may be from the shaft from the bottom but as you say, it looks like it raises and lowers the table. It is mounted to a post now.

It didn't occur to me what a fine sample this was until I started looking around on the web. Not much there but mostly restoration examples from what I could see.

I do recall that I was about 4 feet away when it ran and that was about right for me http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

NAMPeters
07-14-2004, 09:57 PM
What a beautiful machine. Two speed selection for drilling, the drive handle is missing on the right side facing the post. Would be a flat bar with a wooden handle. Manual feed and selective power feed with depth stop. Manual table lift. Looks like original color, don't let Alistair talk you into painting it. Love the oak cabinets in the background. What other treasures are there?

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Neil Peters

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nheng
07-14-2004, 10:09 PM
That's the oldest machine. The youngsters are a 1948 SB 9" model A and an old Black and Decker 10" pedestal grinder (barely used). The rest is an assortment of "real" Rockwell woodworking tools (1950's).

The drawers in the background are half empty and half filled with old hardware in bulk (mostly carriage bolts, old cut nails, etc.). We'll probably give it to someone doing restoration when the time comes to clear it out.

Almost forgot, 750 lbs of good lead type, a Chandler Price leterpress machine and a huge paper cutter ... all with barely any access to the outside http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif

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G.A. Ewen
07-15-2004, 01:03 AM
Man that thing looks in great shape! I love old tools. I would never sell it were it mine.

Dave Opincarne
07-15-2004, 01:27 AM
Your holding out on us! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//mad.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif That looks like a significant tool (green) under the towel. Shaper? Horizontal mill? C'mon, Out with it!!

Dave

Jason J
07-15-2004, 02:40 AM
Ahhh.... Its a furnace. You can see the gun at the bottom of the picture.

nheng
07-15-2004, 08:31 AM
Yes, it is a furnace but you guys have got me thinking ...

How many of you actually use some of the really old iron that you have? Should I keep it just because I enjoy looking at it and a piece of history it represents?

It must all come down to SPACE !

nheng
07-15-2004, 08:43 AM
Ok, here's the other tasty morsel. There seems to be a theme here ... OIL. I suspect that the Oilzum is non-detergent (from its age) but it probably doesn't matter much in the "lossy" SB.

http://home.comcast.net/~nheng/img_qaz_xsw_stf/south_bend_oilzum.jpg

It was purchased in 1948 with all accessories in the SB catalog at the time. We have the receipt somewhere and I seem to recall it was around $500 something total. Still a chunk of change back then.

scooter
07-15-2004, 09:02 AM
It's a beautiful piece.
I immensely enjoy rebuilding and restoring old tools. I use every tool I own - regardless of age. Tools were meant to be used (properly) and not showcased.

CCWKen
07-16-2004, 01:55 AM
Personally, I would make space for tools like that. I've got some old sheetmetal tools (1865-1940) that I use on a regular basis. Yea, I could be using modern stuff but the faces on the "old-timers" light up when they see an exact duplicate of a 1913 fender or dash board (firewall to you youngin's).

One thing for sure, those old tools were made to last. If you gear the speed down, many of these old tools can be powered! That drill could be converted (non-destructive) to use a motor--use a pulley in place of the flywheel.

Alistair Hosie
12-05-2004, 01:57 AM
That's a beautiful old Gal!
Neil
I would never dream of painting her, anyway the paintwork is like the day it was made so it doesn't need a new coat.
I love these old tools there is a deal of beauty in them .
The designers did not design these purely to be functional.
I have actually read they took a pride in the appearance of their tools, so much even if it cost them extra to produce an item they would do it rather than send out a dull, plain, looking design. Beautiful. Alistair

BillH
12-05-2004, 02:09 AM
DAmn, thats a nice South bend 9", still has all the frosting! Every time I see a South Bend like that, it makes my mouth water. Just does.

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wierdscience
12-05-2004, 01:01 PM
That old post drill will do things modern ones won't,like crank a hole through a leaf spring.The never units just don't turn slow enough or have the feed pressure availible.

ibewgypsie
12-05-2004, 05:18 PM
I got a ancient B&S drill press. It kinda looks like the one on the Mach2 documentation cover. Several people have them like mine here.

I saw a picture of a similar one turning crankshafts from the end hanging down.. Mikey has one in Chatsworth like mine that cuts 3" holes.

I wanted to dress it up, paint it really shiny and put something like a air-steam engine running it's flat belt. Probably never happen. I have had it for more than a year now. I did take the spindle out of it and cut the welded in MOrse taper adapter out thou.
My older brother had a drill w/large wheel on it. I could just imagine a slave or some hired hand cranking that wheel. It too had downfeed. The bits were like flat metal with a twist in them.

David

nheng
12-05-2004, 09:47 PM
This was a revived old post but the drill and lathe are still in the same place. The lathe has been cleaned a little and hosed with way oil for winter protection. The old dark olive and oil colors wash away with CAREFUL and quickly rinsed degreaser to expose the original SB color. I don't know where either piece will end up yet. One or both may be up for grabs in the spring and I'll find a way for those interested to find out without appearing to solicit http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif

The lathe incidentally, was purchased in '48 with just about every option including the taper attachment, quick in-out threading toolpost, multi-stop longitudinal stop, both rests, etc.
Den

andy_b
12-06-2004, 09:25 AM
that old post drill sure is a beauty. i have several, but none are two-speed. i got lucky at a local auction and got four of them for $5.83. that was the total cost for all four.
:-)

i just think they are one of the neatest of the old tools. them and the old line-shaft driven drill presses.

andy b.

nheng
07-01-2005, 12:02 PM
Just an update after the "new, old" 4 jaw chuck post. I've pretty much decided to keep this stuff in the family and make room for it. The post drill is gonna get a cleaning and hung somewhere. The SB is coming home too and my original thought to keep the chucks, ebay the accessories and sell the lathe have been canned thanks in part to the wisdom of my elders (oops, just had another birthday) on this board http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif Den