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3jaw
08-05-2005, 12:38 PM
Just another nail in the coffin:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050805/ap_on_bi_ge/india_general_motors

Carl
08-05-2005, 12:44 PM
I bought a GM crate engine awhile back. The crankshaft broke off behind the harmonic balancer (vibration damper) at 12,000 miles (Sunday night, 100 miles from home ,$440 towing bill). I should have known I was in trouble when I found "Hecho en Mexico" cast into the block.

lynnl
08-05-2005, 01:53 PM
per the web article

"...GM is among several automakers — including Ford Motor Co., DaimlerChrysler AG, Volkswagen AG, Volvo AB and Mitsubishi Motors Corp. — that are sourcing auto parts from low-cost countries like India because of tough competition and rising costs of raw materials."

I think we should all do like Thrud - Write letters and complain!! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

cntryboy1289
08-05-2005, 02:12 PM
Just quit buying a new car. Let them all eat the new parts they buy from India and anywhere else for that matter. There are thousands of used cars out there that wil get you where you want to go. It's all a conspiracy in the first place. The oil folks keep them from building a better carb or fuel injection. The scrap folks work for them to take up older cars and crush them to make sure we cannot find and older car to rebuild, and the parts folks work for then keeping their prices up so high you want to buy a new car. Guess it all works because look at what we are talking about. Now they don't build then like they used to!

Flash319
08-05-2005, 02:51 PM
I'm with CntryBOy. Don't buy new cars. First they are a rip off and second we don't need any more cars on this planet. We are all technical people here. Learn to fix it yourself and keep that old car going. The only difference between them is the smell!!!

lynnl
08-05-2005, 02:59 PM
Yep, makes sense. With an old car you've got a "proven performer". A new car has yet to prove itself!

decoy91288
08-05-2005, 03:03 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Flash319:
I'm with CntryBOy. Don't buy new cars. First they are a rip off and second we don't need any more cars on this planet. We are all technical people here. Learn to fix it yourself and keep that old car going. The only difference between them is the smell!!!</font>

That's the truth - my trucks always smell like old farts and chesapeake bay retriever. Of course it doesnt make a real difference, I only date old women and they all smell like French whores cause they can't seem to smell how much perfume they have on. Damn, I do prefer the retriever's odour now I think about it. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif She is named Zephyr for a reason too. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif

motorworks
08-05-2005, 03:40 PM
"Just quit buying a new car"

Just what I think as well.
BUT
Here the insurance here will give you a HARD time if you have a car that is over 10 years old!!
Most will not cover you if you have only one car and it is 10+
Bet the insurance are in on "it" as well.
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Mcgyver
08-05-2005, 04:02 PM
Man can I ever get on the soap box on this one.

North American engineering know how, the quality of the trades and labor's ability to put the cars together were second to none in the world. Yet strategy of the companies has been ruiness to the industry. This problem could have easily been anticipated 15 years ago

1) No concentration of force. I believe the consolidated a bit, but a few years ago GM alone had 28 different engines, average cost to take if from idea to plant: $1B.
2) Assuming the majority of NA consumers are idiots. Let’s have a stupid number of models, and because they buy based on bobbles, let’s put 750m, into a face lift, new grill and dash, every three years instead of putting it into engineering. Assuming everyone was Homer Simpson, ooooo new grill, while the Japs and Germans gained share via better cars and less problems.
3) Let’s press our tier 1 suppliers to lower their price every year of the contract. Surely they can figure out how to make every piece cheaper, thinner, out of crapper materials, etc.

It sad for the good people that worked /work in this industry because they do their best they can and don’t understand why everyone thinks the product is crap. The reality is they are just victims of an executive group that failed to adjust an aging strategy and failed to anticipate and appreciated the impact of globalization. One Tier 1 CEO told me Detroit could tern out a product of the quality of a Merc 320 or BMW 540 and retail it for 25k if the process wasn’t so idiotic.

JPR
08-05-2005, 04:19 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by motorworks:
Most will not cover you if you have only one car and it is 10+</font>
Is that common for all of Canada?

Yikes, until two years ago, my and the wife's cars were over 10 years old. My primary "car" is 1991 one ton pickup that they will bury me in one day, because there is no way I will pay 50k for a new one.

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motorworks
08-05-2005, 04:40 PM
"Is that common for all of Canada?"

Can not say on the rest of "Oh Canada"
But here on the rock we "pay through the nose"
+2600 per year for 2 cars. One a 1991 the other 2004. Both Toyotas (Great cars!)

PSD KEN
08-05-2005, 05:16 PM
"Oil companies will not allow fuel efficient carbs or fuel injection!!
Why that story can be traced back to the legendary Fish carb. of the 50's.
They shot/bought out/ruined inventer.
Seems to me cars are doing very well on fuel consumption.
Compare mileage and power to a 60's or 70's vehicle.

George Seal
08-05-2005, 05:31 PM
1993 Escort Gt 220,000 miles
1993 F 150 160,000 miles

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George
Remember the early bird gets the worm, BUT it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.

michaeljt
08-05-2005, 05:35 PM
Yup, that sucking sound Ross Perot warned us about fifteen years or so ago is getting louder by the year.

chief
08-05-2005, 07:30 PM
Rebuild your engine,employ an american machinist.

Wirecutter
08-05-2005, 07:38 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chief:
Rebuild your engine,employ an american machinist.</font>


cheif - Whaddaya tryin' to do? Get us On Topic??? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif Seriously though, well said - thanks.

Michael Az
08-05-2005, 08:44 PM
I well remember the 70's when detroit started building crap. Everybody started buying toyoto's and honda's and just about shut detroit down. Maybe it will happen again. I was working in a tool and die shop at the time and got laid off because of the economy.
Michael

rsr911
08-05-2005, 09:43 PM
I bought a new Ranger about 19 monthes ago mainly for the deal I got through the employee discount my brother gets, it's still valued at more than I payed for it. Anyway I've always had old cars and I got sick of constantly fixing them. The only car I own that always starts and runs is my 1966 Porsche 911 and the only work it ever needs is brake pads from my agressive driving or sometimes resychronize the carbs. Sure the old girl could use some cosmetic work inside and out but mechanically she's sound as a rock. Not bashing American cars but here in the "rust belt" it's hard to find an old car that isn't either completely rusted out or hasn't been driven into the ground. The only thing that came close was my old '77 F100 which I put a Lincoln 460 into, always ran great but the body fell apart and the frontend got to the point that fixing it would have cost me more in parts than the truck was worth.

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Herm Williams
08-05-2005, 09:54 PM
My old 1966 ford mustang with a 200 cuin engine and almost 300,000 miles on it has always gotten about 22 miles per gallon. even tho it is getting a little tired now it still starts fine.
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crossthreaded
08-05-2005, 10:47 PM
If "American" cars are designed & mostly made in places I wouldn't buy pipe or tools bits from, why bother. No problem if they plan on selling the cars where the parts are made, but they shouldn't be allowed back here. I drive an '85 Jeep CJ with 350,000 miles. It was made in Kenosha Wisconsin, not far from where I was made. I plan on driving it as long as I can buy or make parts for it. Thanks to the characters on this board, I can now weld most things I can come across. I do hope we can put our country back together again. North America once built the best products at a fair price. Lets hope one day soon we will do so again.

J Tiers
08-05-2005, 11:03 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by michaeljt:
Yup, that sucking sound Ross Perot warned us about fifteen years or so ago is getting louder by the year.</font>

And almost NONE of it is going to NAFTA countries..... at least not anymore.

So much for mr jug-ears.... he wuz wrong on that.

Someday you all will wake up to teh fact that When US quits buying cars, which the big 3 can see coming, they still want to sell them. Hence they want to build them where there are workers, and customers.

If YOU don't buy cars, do you think they will care in a few years? No. Most corporations these days are not even wanting to be seen as being "American" companies.

What does THAT tell you?

Of course, many european companies have been there for many years, even decades.