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Your Old Dog
08-05-2005, 04:15 PM
The board has been pretty rough past few weeks. It caused me to look inward to see just why I’m here. After giving it some thought, and in simple terms, here’s why I show up on this forum.

1. I like being around folks who have the same interest as me, even the OT stuff is generally of strong interest to me. We all seem to have similar interest besides metal working.
2. I’d like to learn to machine steel at home. I work with a camera all day. For that reason I love to use my hands at night both in wood and metal.
3. I enjoy helping people when I can. It makes me feel useful.
4. I like being around bright folks and seeing how nimble their minds appear to work. It’s a constant source of amazement to me some of the stuff you guys spit out. I envy a good many of you. I’ve never considered myself a bright bulb (barely made it out of high school-bombed out of Jr College and got drafted)

That’s what I seek when I show up here. What are you looking for when you show up?

Tinker2
08-05-2005, 04:21 PM
Looking for like minded people like you.
Where I live I have to go 160 miles to find like minded folk.

John Stevenson
08-05-2005, 04:23 PM
Gems of any description, whether tips, friendship, like minded views, links to interesting sights or similar.

There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid answers.

Sir John

Cecil Walker
08-05-2005, 04:59 PM
Pretty much the same as stated above. No one in my area with related interests. I sit at a desk all day with customers, personnel problems, collections, budget restraints, etc., you guys know the story. I use machining as a way to relieve stress and to get away from other problems. I also enjoy learming from the many brilliant and talented people here, and maybe possibly help someone myself. I consider everyone here a good friend, some of us don't share the same views on all subjects but that don't worry me, its just a difference of opinion. Someone once said "a friend is someone who knows all about you but likes you anyway" and i guess that's my outlook. I have grown to care about the people here, look forward to reading their posts (yes even the OT ones) value their opinions, feel the pain of personal tragedies, the elation of their success. Damn, i just realized this is a soap opera and i am addicted to this BBS. Enough said, i'm going home and work in the shop all weekend, wife is out of town until Monday. Too many projects, too little time.

motorworks
08-05-2005, 05:07 PM
hot babes?

Evan
08-05-2005, 05:13 PM
Here ya go.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/rw1.jpg

Michael Az
08-05-2005, 05:18 PM
I think I am in the same boat as Tinker 2 as I live in the middle of nowhere and nobody with similar machining interest. Lots of good help here and sometimes I get stuck with a problem and know I can come here for help. I also enjoy the off topic posts but I do wish everybody would put the topic of the post in the opening line.
Michael

G.A. Ewen
08-05-2005, 05:20 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by motorworks:
hot babes?</font>

If you have been here as long as you have for the hot babes I think that you have been short changed. It is high time that someone contributed to your needs. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/GAEWEN/Other/11587.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/GAEWEN/Other/101082.jpg

G.A. Ewen
08-05-2005, 05:31 PM
This board has been a never ending source of inspiration an education for me.

I think of most of you as my friends. My idea of a dream vacation would be to travel the world just to meet you fellows and see your shops.

johnhurd
08-05-2005, 05:35 PM
I am stoopid and am here to suck you dry of knowledge

torker
08-05-2005, 05:51 PM
I'm like some of the others. I live in the middle of nowhere in BC. This is also a machine tool desert.
I joke about it, but I really did come from a rancher/hillbilly background but I've always loved to learn new skills. Where I'm from we HAD to repair or make a lot of our own stuff. A day without learning something new is like a day without oxygen.
These BBS are a saving grace for me.
I wish they would have been around 30 years ago.
I also would like to travel around and meet a lot of guys on this board.
Think I'd start with Thrud...over to GA's house...stop off at shaques for a bit...down to weirds and check out his tractor fenders, then to sandmans...stop by Adrians and crash one of his planes http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif...give Joe Hartson a visit and before I went to England to see Loser John and Alistair...I'd swing by Wolfies house and check on the hole in his foot http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Russ

IOWOLF
08-05-2005, 06:03 PM
Yea, c'mon over,But you already crashed the 'Holes plane.

topct
08-05-2005, 06:13 PM
What I'm not looking for, are a picture of my girlfriend and my motorcycle plastered on these pages for the perverts here to gawk at. And my grand mother doesn't like hers here either, for the same reason.

------------------
Gene

Allan Waterfall
08-05-2005, 06:21 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by John Stevenson:

Sir John</font>

Would that be "Sir John"as in the sherriff of Nottingham

Allan

sauer38h
08-05-2005, 06:29 PM
I first came by because Google told me that a thread here was taking my name in vain. Something to do with moving Bridgeports the Sauer38h way.

But I hang around for anecdotes about the inflatable sheep.

IOWOLF
08-05-2005, 06:32 PM
Speaking of google,anyone else used "Google earth"? it is pretty cool.

Alistair Hosie
08-05-2005, 06:38 PM
Torker I would make you as welcome as a brother but you won't find Alistair (me that is) in E N G L A N D http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gifAlistair

BillJ
08-05-2005, 06:45 PM
As a machining newbie, I'm mostly here to pick up tips of course, and would be asking for more advice if I had more time to spend in the shop.

As for OT posts, like Old Dog I like being around smart people. A lot of people here obviously can think in depth and articulate their thoughts well.

Also I enjoy getting to "know" the people behind the names.

I do worry that too much discussion of politics and religion could attract goofballs who happen to stumble onto the site.
Also, while I think OT discussions spice things up, they shouldn't overwhelm the meal.

John Stevenson
08-05-2005, 06:54 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Alistair Hosie:
Torker I would make you as welcome as a brother but you won't find Alistair (me that is) in E N G L A N D http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gifAlistair</font>


Thank f**k for that

egpace
08-05-2005, 07:30 PM
G.A.,
Thanks for keeping us "abreast" of the latest developements. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Ed

Wirecutter
08-05-2005, 07:33 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by johnhurd:
I am stoopid and am here to suck you dry of knowledge</font>

Well said. I feel pretty much the same way. I also agree with the original post for the reasons I stop by. I'd like to add:

1. I've never been as much of a regular visitor to any forum. I don't know how it works elsewhere, but I like the variety of knowledge, opinions, and temperment.

2. The format of this forum works well for me. I can almost always see at a glance what topics I'd like to read (or contribute to). I can also see which topics generate interest.

3. The forum is not run by godministrators. There's a fair bit of lattitude given to content and such. The forum seems largely "self-regulating" to me. If it's an "OT" post, it almost always says so. If the bandwidth is available on the Village Press servers, I'd just as soon keep it all and rely on myself to filter what I see and read.

I'm in my 40's now, and by now I should be able to admit the extent of what I don't know. For every question I've asked, I've gotten a lot of excellent information from people who have been where I haven't.

Once in a while, I can help somebody out. It doesn't happen much, and sometimes I get a correction on information I post. Nothing at all wrong with that in my book.

Finally, for whatever bizzare reason, there are a few here with a sense of humor similar to mine. That's alright with me.

I guess I'd classify this forum as "infotainment", if you can all stand me borrowing such an over (mis-)used term.

Thanks, folks.

-Mark

Michael Az
08-05-2005, 08:03 PM
I didn't always live in the middle of nowhere. I used to live in Scottland, right down the street from Alistar. After years of him constantly coming over to borrow sugar, salt, cutting tools, toilet paper, watch tv, eat meals with us, use my welder, borrow my pickup, have gert give him a haircut, bring all his drunken family over to swim in our pool, well, I could go on and on but when I caught him syphoning gas from our lawn mower in the middle of the nite I told Gert enough is enough. Lets move to Az and hope he never finds us.
Michael

motorworks
08-05-2005, 08:58 PM
Really:
I fine many great ideas from this form and its members.Found new friends here, most I have never met in person.
From the ideas on this form, I was able to build two cnc machines! Both working well and making $$. Not bad for a hobby site!!
And hopefully along the way I was able to help others.
take care
eddie
ps Lately I am learing alot of bull about "Creationism vs. Evolution" left and right politics!!
Thank god I am a non-voting atheist&lt;g&gt;

wierdscience
08-05-2005, 09:26 PM
I'm just here for the cool aid http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Yankee1
08-05-2005, 09:32 PM
Interesting people, Interesting topics, mutual interests. Plus being picky about
whom I associate with.

ibewgypsie
08-05-2005, 10:22 PM
WITH AS MUCH BEER AS I HAVE IN ME&lt;&gt; Sex, DRUGS and ROck and ROll...... WHOOO&gt;&gt; HOOO&gt;&gt;&gt; Who's got the nekkid pikturs? Whars that Yunger woman I married?

Okay,, cornbread and iced tea.. Sit on the porch swing..

David

BillH
08-05-2005, 11:13 PM
I don't know what to expect when I go to a forum any more, I like people to talk to. The other day I went to Frugalsworld, a forum for flight sim enthusiasts. I was reading a post of a regular over there from earlier in the year who was so happy to get his apache wings. Yes, he flew apaches for the US.ARMy, and he was sharing the great news with everyone on the forum. Reading further down on the thread, people are upset, saying we will miss you. HE was shot down and killed in Iraq and they brought back the post to say goodbye.
I didnt even know the guy, I just signed up recently, and it moved me. I dont log on to a forum and expect to see that happen.

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J Tiers
08-05-2005, 11:13 PM
Well, I AIN'T here for what we have had way too much of recently..... along with one recent thread ........////..... lets just not go THERE.....


This used to be a nice friendly bar.... what the heck happened?

crossthreaded
08-05-2005, 11:24 PM
I like to learn new things. This is a good place for that. Also common interests. Too old for much sexual perversion, so took up welding & bad machining instead. It's good to feel vicarious thrills watching someone else's projects get finished & put in working order. Most of mine get stored while I wheel out a new one to the same fate.

dicks42000
08-06-2005, 01:20 AM
Now this was such a cool topic I just had to reply....
Being a machinist, amature or pro, and an interest in metalworking/ machine addiction & technology is a common thread for us all here.
We may have moral, political, racial differences etc. & some may be more/ less stable than others, but we sure have a wide variety of technical backgrounds and most are able to offer help/ opinions on something. A willingness to learn & share knowledge is great, I've learned a lot from visiting here.
It seems that for most of us, machining is only a part of other hobbies or jobs we do. Everything from restoring old tractors, farming, live steam, to R/C planes & making pool cues....Even at the end it seems a fitting send-off to bury a machinist in a turned & engraved metal urn...I hope someone will turn one for me when my time comes; or maybe another project to add to the never ending list...?
This bbs has become a weekly addiction for me too. Better than crystal meth or a soap opera. So many ambitions, technically diverse & erudite people on here. IBEWgypsie, Forrest, CCWken, torquer, GA Ewen,...you all take a bow.
Thanks all & Keep it up Neil.
When anyone is stuck in/near Vancouver, both my home shop & sheet metal business are there for coffee & bs, even if BC is a machine tool desert.

Allan Waterfall
08-06-2005, 02:06 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Alistair Hosie:
Torker I would make you as welcome as a brother but you won't find Alistair (me that is) in E N G L A N D http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gifAlistair</font>
Alistair...

I know you live in hope of one day being allowed into England,but until you learn to morris dance you will not be allowed.

Allan

Your Old Dog
08-06-2005, 08:20 AM
This thread was my post so allow me the liberty. Some of the reponses warrant an answer.

Sir John: “There is no such thing as a stupid question,” I don’t know about that. I think we’ve pushed the envelope this past month! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Cecil Walker: Someone once said "a friend is someone who knows all about you but likes you anyway” Nice line. Maybe that’s why some of us have so few true friends we’d take a bullet for? I’ve found 3 in this life time with such tolerance!

G.A. Ewen: “I think of most of you as my friends. My idea of a dream vacation would be to travel the world just to meet you fellows and see your shops.” Two things. Had I been in your school system I’m sure I’d have done better than I did! And you’re right what a great vacation that would be. I’m near Niagara Falls if you get out here!

Evan: In another life you must have been a pressure release valve! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Wirecutter: “1. I don't know how it works elsewhere, but I like the variety of knowledge, opinions, and temperment.” A word for all of that might be "tolerant". It’s becoming an uncommon expression these days.

Motorworks: I’ve had the same problem. With me it was Demi Moore and Sandra Bullock. They both wanted me bad. But then something would wake me up, go take a whiz and the dream was lost for another day!

Wierdscience: “I'm just here for the cool aid.” I don’t know where you were the past few weeks but we just had a big batch in, evidently from Guyana.!

Yankee1: “Plus being picky about whom I associate with.” No you ain’t! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Ibewgypsie: “Sit on the porch swing..” Gypsie, that dog still chewing on your ear? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Crossthreaded: It's good to feel vicarious thrills watching someone else's projects get finished & put in working order. Most of mine get stored while I wheel out a new one to the same fate. Maybe if we coordinated proj………?

Disclaimer: No attempt, conscious or otherwise, has been made by the author of this response to inflame, raise the blood pressure of, or denigrate any other member of this forum. My attorneys name will be furnished upon request.



[This message has been edited by Your Old Dog (edited 08-06-2005).]

BillH
08-06-2005, 08:23 AM
Lawyers are parasites.

Your Old Dog
08-06-2005, 08:31 AM
BillH, that's why I'd give it so freely http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif I could give fleas with less effort!

[This message has been edited by Your Old Dog (edited 08-06-2005).]

Stillgot10
08-06-2005, 09:57 AM
I know with great certainty that each and every one of us has at least once rashly undertaken that project from Hell, straight from the Devil himself. You know the one... at the outset it’s sure to cost only $20.00 and take only 20 minutes. Only at completion it has cost you $500.00 or more and took 60 man-hours. And invariably you wind up saying “If I’d only had someone warn me about such-and-such this job would have been such a snap!”

That is the main reason why I keep my eye on this bulletin board. It’s sheer self preservation. I thank y’all. I think of you in the same way that I think of lifeguards on the beach. Y'all are probably the only reason that I have still got 10. Please keep up the good work!

Alistair Hosie
08-06-2005, 10:58 AM
John Stevenson came to my house once,
!!! NEVER AGAIN GUYS!!!
It was winter and it was snowing I invited him in out of a sense of Christian charity as his car broke a few miles down the road from me and he walked all the way to my house as he was desperate. He was frozen stiff and I felt immediately sorry for the poor guy. What could I do? I gave him a hearty meal and as much drink as he wanted eventually he was pretty drunk and I got him up the stairs and put him to bed.In the morning I discovered to my horror he had pissed out of the top window and written in pee in the freshly fallen snow
JOHN STEVENSON WAS HERE
I threw him out immediately and then his jacket behind him telling him never to return to my house again as he was a fitlhy animal.I know my actions sound harsh but after all it was my wifes handwriting http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gifAlistair

ricksplace
08-06-2005, 11:34 AM
I'd never been on a bbs until this one. I did a google search for different ways of sharpening toolbits for my lathe, and wound up here.

Lots of interesting people here. I went to a PD session this spring on multiple intelligence. There are many multi-talented people on this bbs with a wealth of opinions and information from which to learn.

I went to school for a lot of years, and have degrees, certificates, and professional designations. The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know.

I'm here to learn, share a little of what knowledge I have that others may be interested in, and be entertained too.

I read a lot more than I contribute here. I don't have anywhere near the knowledge base in machining of most of the posters on this site. I have done a lot of full bore long range rifle shooting, and that's what started me in machining.

I like it here.

John Stevenson
08-06-2005, 11:48 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Alistair Hosie:
John Stevenson came to my house once,
!!! NEVER AGAIN GUYS!!!
It was winter and it was snowing I invited him in out of a sense of Christian charity as his car broke a few miles down the road from me and he walked all the way to my house as he was desperate. He was frozen stiff and I felt immediately sorry for the poor guy. What could I do? I gave him a hearty meal and as much drink as he wanted eventually he was pretty drunk and I got him up the stairs and put him to bed.In the morning I discovered to my horror he had pissed out of the top window and written in pee in the freshly fallen snow
JOHN STEVENSON WAS HERE
I threw him out immediately and then his jacket behind him telling him never to return to my house again as he was a fitlhy animal.I know my actions sound harsh but after all it was my wifes handwriting http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gifAlistair</font>

All lies and I can proove it.

Firstly I have never had a visa for Scotland, the British passport office at Peterborough won't issue one unless you can prove some form of mental illness.

Secondly he's left himself wide open when he says "his car had broken down" Car ? CAR ??
Getting me into a car is worse than getting a visa for Scotland.

Lastly he states "I gave him a hearty meal and as much drink as he wanted"
Come off it Alistair is Scots, the word GAVE isn't in the scottish dictionary.

Sir John.

Paul Alciatore
08-06-2005, 12:26 PM
I'm lookng for a good place to have a cup of coffee with a bunch of people who work a lot like me.

I'm looking for a place where I can ask questions about aspects of my work that I am not fully aware of. I want to increase my knowledge and I HAVE. For that it is great.

I'm looking for a place where I can shoot the s*** about some other topics when the mood strikes. It's great for that also.

Now that I am a bit more experienced in some shop work, I am also looking for a place where I can share my knowledge, whatever little I have. I enjoy helping someone with a problem that I can solve or at least contribute to the solution. I believe they call that a BS session and it can be the best problem solving tool in the world. The world needs more coperation.

I'm not looking for a heated, out of control discussion on a controversial topic but I don't run from them either.

All in all, I kind of like it the way it is. I consider it to be a tremendous resource that I have used to good advantage many times.

Paul A.

Alistair Hosie
08-06-2005, 01:07 PM
Ok John you win ok so it was not a hearty meal but there was bread and lots of water.call me stingy would you http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif the only reason you are barred from Scotland is you are too mean with your money http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gifAlistair

Evan
08-07-2005, 03:29 AM
ricksplace

I should say that you shouldn't judge this BBS by the demeanor and deportment of the members at this time. This especially applies to those from the nether realms of the US. It is especially hot this year and us Canadians in BC are restricting the flow of electricity to thier air conditioners to teach them a lesson for California not paying us for the billion dollars of electricity they bought in 2003.

As soon as they pay up we'll turn up the juice and cooler heads will prevail once more.

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

J Tiers
08-07-2005, 08:55 AM
I live in Missouri.... What's an air conditioner?

Does it have blades and spin, and do you put it in a window?

For some reason, this BB has really gone to pieces.

IT NEEDS A FREAKIN MODERATOR

Surely if posters cannot use "moderation", we need some from outside.

Maybe jfsmith was right and its time to just leave. It's starting to look like he is one of the more normal folks to me.....

[This message has been edited by J Tiers (edited 08-07-2005).]

BillH
08-07-2005, 09:04 AM
J Tiers, IT is the summer, weather is too nice to be stuck in the shop all day(unless it has ac), this goes for all hobbies, this time of the year people doing other things, when fall comes around or rain sets in, people will move back inside and resume.

Your Old Dog
08-07-2005, 10:09 AM
http://www.raysstuff.com/shop/hsm/forumcop.gif

I'd agree with you to some extent Jteirs but look at the number of responces some of the OT stuff is getting. The one I thought was a silly post for this forum is crowding 200 if it hasn't already passed it. I actually learned a lot from reading it. Not on religion necessarily but in some of the other directions it has taken. If this were the only site on the web for this kind of info that might make a differant situation. I think many folks check 3 differant sites regularly anyway. I will say it would be nice if the title said "OT" and it bared some resemblance to the subject matter inside.

Milacron of PM
08-07-2005, 10:16 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">IT NEEDS A FREAKIN MODERATOR</font> I vote for IOWOLF to be the moderator !

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

Mcgyver
08-07-2005, 10:27 AM
so put up some shots of what you're working on, or ask a question, that'll help get it on the rails more than a moderator could....there had to be 15 guys on the edge of their keywords waiting to tell someone to tap straight http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif....and this crowd wanting an authority to run things? that would be interesting.

wierdscience
08-07-2005, 11:13 AM
Well I'm cleaning up at the house right now otherwise I would have somethings to post,that is unless you guys like to see piles of scrap,wornout junk and.....oh never mind that's right you do http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

John Stevenson
08-07-2005, 11:56 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by D. Thomas:

IT NEEDS A FREAKIN MODERATOR</font> I vote for IOWOLF to be the moderator !

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif


I second that but on your list Don http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

BillH
08-07-2005, 12:11 PM
Hmm, I vote no to a moderator unless it is me.
Seen way too many people become moderators elsewhere and quickly developed into Hitler, quite amazing. I am a moderator for a live steam list, and believe it or not, the only time I ever moderated was to insert the url tag for a guys link he posted. But I must warn you I will be biased and pick on the liberals, and be a nazi towards El nino types.

[This message has been edited by BillH (edited 08-07-2005).]

John Stevenson
08-07-2005, 12:20 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BillH:
Hmm, I vote no to a moderator unless it is me.
</font>

Good one Bill.
Cheered up an otherwise uneventful day up no end.
Have you ever thought of a stage appearance?

ricksplace
08-07-2005, 12:33 PM
Hey Evan.

I agree with you. It's been quite a circus this past week or so.

It's hot here too. 25-30 celcius (hot when you're not accustomed to it), but at least it cools down at night. Two days ago we had 8 C. overnight.

IMHO, everyone gets a little testy occasionally. No big deal. If I don't like the OT topic, I don't read it. Each of us should be our own moderator.

I try not to judge anyone. People are entitled to their opinions.

I'll try and post some more pics of some of the stuff I've been doing, just as soon as I do some more stuff.... Only prob is, the stuff I do is pretty basic compared to the stuff most of you guys are doing.

Been busy with family stuff. Camping with my kids (yeah, they still like to go camping with the old man), daughter's soccer tournament, house renovations. I need to get back to work for a rest.

just my .02.

Rick.

IOWOLF
08-07-2005, 12:41 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by D. Thomas:

IT NEEDS A FREAKIN MODERATOR</font> I vote for IOWOLF to be the moderator !

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

Oh, so youre not the moderator here too, You could have fooled me.

Wayne02
08-07-2005, 12:52 PM
I come here for the machining info, AND the OT posts. Why is that you ask? Simply because I am not a one dimension person, and I suspect this is true for others here as well. I like machining, but it is not my only interest.

If OT post were disallowed on this forum my visits would be dramatically lessened. It is the allowance of OT posts that make this board seem a little more like a community. And less like just a drab technical resource with the same 10 people talking about the next 100 thousandth of an inch every day.

When I'm shooting the breeze with other like minded people in the shop, sometimes it is over a serious machining topic, but many times it is on other subjects of interests. I enjoy their company, and respect their opinions beyond the narrow technical subject of machining.

I don't understand why some people want to take their ball and go home just because a little controversy erupts on the board. Differing views, passionate opinions, and yes, sometimes even a few rude people are part of life.

For example, I have strong political views (like many) and while it might be nice if everybody agreed with me, I realize that the world would be a pretty boring place if that were the case.

I don't expect that everyone will get along all the time. I don't expect that I will agree with everyone all the time, or vice versa.

I do hope however, that most of us can carry on our conversations with some respect, maturity, politeness, and a sense of humor, at least most of the time.

Wayne

Your Old Dog
08-07-2005, 12:58 PM
Wayne, nicely put. I agree and I'll bet a bunch of others do to. This board has some character. What's wrong with that?

BillH
08-07-2005, 01:00 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by John Stevenson:
Good one Bill.
Cheered up an otherwise uneventful day up no end.
Have you ever thought of a stage appearance?

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I have my moments where I am funny I guess ,but just as often I manage to offend everyone in the room using the least amount of words possible. I thought my post in "OT Post forum Ideas" was friggin funny, but only Iowolf responded to it.

Your Old Dog
08-07-2005, 01:05 PM
Bill, don't worry about it. Force'em all to be more tolerant! In the same vain, how'd you make out with Bill the Nazi ! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif You buddies by now or is he dead and stuffed in a Walmart dumpster !

BillH
08-07-2005, 01:32 PM
Not sure what he is up to, probably paiting pentagraphs on the floor and setting em on fire and sacrificing children and kittens to please the spirits of Wally and his son.
I find selling stuff on ebay to pay for my hobbies far more rewarding and self grattifying. Afterall he is just a walmart employee with nothing spectactular to look forward to in life. Maybe after he's been there for 20 years he can get an extra pin on his vest that says "under-achiever".

J Tiers
08-07-2005, 09:25 PM
OT is one thing, but all this sorta hatin on each other deal is not cool.

I refer to the "equal" thread, which I read a few posts of and then hadda stop before I went postal.

We just plain don't need some of that, got no place here, got no place anywhere.... LOSE IT, dudes.

If it is getting folks to discuss issues, OK, but when it starts with the black clouds and thunderbolts, lets just get rid of it. That's what a moderator is for.

"Everyone" (well 4 people) complains about Don's board, as super-controlled.... Well, yep, he locks threads... And they need it.

Let's have some of that action here.

BillH
08-07-2005, 09:42 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by J Tiers:
OT is one thing, but all this sorta hatin on each other deal is not cool.

I refer to the "equal" thread, which I read a few posts of and then hadda stop before I went postal.

We just plain don't need some of that, got no place here, got no place anywhere.... LOSE IT, dudes.

If it is getting folks to discuss issues, OK, but when it starts with the black clouds and thunderbolts, lets just get rid of it. That's what a moderator is for.

"Everyone" (well 4 people) complains about Don's board, as super-controlled.... Well, yep, he locks threads... And they need it.

Let's have some of that action here.</font>
ACHTUNG!!! DAS MIND POlice !

IOWOLF
08-08-2005, 05:57 AM
"Everyone" (well 4 people) complains about Don's board, as super-controlled.... Well, yep, he locks threads... And they need it."

Who are you to judge?
If you dont like the O/T posts don't read or contribute to them.

JCHannum
08-08-2005, 06:28 AM
One good reason to lock or delete threads that get out of hand it that they draw people to the site who come for no reason but to join in the fray.

There are several people on the evolution and equal threads who are not into machining and are only here to cause unrest. I would just as soon they were gotten rid of.

ququ can join them too.

spkrman15
08-08-2005, 06:55 AM
Several years ago, i got a bonus from work and told my family i was buying a lathe/mill combination. Everyone was shocked. It was alot of money and i had never used one before.

My roomate at the time, who is still my best friend, was teaching me how to use it. That was hard on my pride. He an office worker and me a mechanic. Other then that no one could help me. I would describe what i bought to my fellow workers and they were lost. I was on my own.

One night while surfing the net i typed in "Machining". Homeshop machinst poped up. Ya-hoo! Signed up on the bbs and asked some questions. Before you know it Thrud, the machining master, and others were taking time out to answer some newbie's stupid questions. The same ones that had been asked 10 000 times before. I no longer felt alone. I found kindered spirits.

Later on that year i found out that a local magazine place was selling HSM and MW. I have been buying them there since then.

So what am i looking for on this forum? The chance to give back that feeling i had when i first signed up. I think that Neil and Village press has given us all that feeling by creating this bbs. Thank you Neil and VP.

A subscriber and fellow hobbyist

Rob T. aka (spkrman15)
Gatineau QC
Canada

C - ROSS
08-08-2005, 07:54 AM
A chance to give a little and recieve a lot.

Great help out there if you need it, some special people here.

If you don't like the OT posts don't open them.

I live in an isolated area (50 miles to any town, 6 miles to a neighbor, no TV) so it is nice to find out what other people think.

Ross

Your Old Dog
08-08-2005, 07:58 AM
JC, I figure the 1 post members on the evolution post are members who want to go outside of what they might feel is in good taste and/or don't want to be held accountable for the sentiment. Same here as eBay, you gotta view 1 and 2 digit histories with your guard up and maybe even ignore them until you see they are for real by follow up post on other topics. I've seen what in my opinion were bazaar post and they were made by members with solid history. I have to assign a little more weight to those post.

(I know! Someone probably thinks this is a bazaar post!)

jimmstruk
08-08-2005, 08:13 AM
Hi guys, I have been a subscriber to HSM & MW for many years. I have monitored this site for quite some time. Wayne02 just expressed my thoughts very well in his post. Thank you,as I dont type very good anyway.I dont personaly agree with every post either but I dont read the ones I dont like. JIM

jimmstruk
08-08-2005, 08:19 AM
Forgot to mention I have a mill & 2 lathes

J Tiers
08-08-2005, 08:24 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IOWOLF:


Who are you to judge?
If you dont like the O/T posts don't read or contribute to them.</font>

Who are YOU to judge ME?

If you don't like us crapping on your front lawn, then don't look out the window and don't mow the grass.

Makes as much sense as what you said.

Besides, the OT posts are taking up space that USED to be filled with regular on-topic BBS activity.

1) I have no idea why the publisher would want to have the BBS turned into a forum for race bigots, etc. They wouldn't have that in the magazines....

2) the above drives people away and makes the BBS less useful. If this keeps up, it will be full of bigots and no HSMs.

3) Why pick on this BBS when there are tractor forums to piss in? They have more of this sort of fun, and it makes the forums useless.

4) If you look at forum usage, a number of the most "vocal" OT posters make more OT posts than on-topic posts. I could post the percent by name, but that would be mean at present, and not my job.

5) If you want a political forum they are out there, just as easy to get to as this. if you are too lazy to go there............


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topct
08-08-2005, 09:44 AM
I have had a workshop or at least a workbench of some kind all my life. I would try to make things and fix things. I have found I'm not to good at the making of things. But I have gotten pretty good at fixing. Or so i thought. Until I found this place. Everytime I come here I learn something new, and see and hear of the most amazing stuff people are doing or making.

The ideas for approaching a problem, work holding, tooling suggestions and the pictures of such, never fail to amaze me.

I am a picture nut. I wish everyone could get a camera and learn how to use it and learn how to post the pictures here. It doesn't take much of a camera. And it's true that a picture is worth ten thousand words.

There's also some really funny people here and some of the back and forth humor is a definately needed bonus.

As far as the OT posts. I would not stop them. I can only speak for myself, I need to be a little more cautious with those. I have an angry person in myself about certain subjects that serves no purpose here, and only tends to probably inflame others. I guess I have a very short chain and I should keep it tucked in my pocket. Lest someone grab it.

Thanks for your question YOD, it has served me as a reminder of what I really am looking for here.



------------------
Gene

lynnl
08-08-2005, 10:40 AM
What do I come here for? Pretty much the same as everyone else.

...but especially to read the discourse between John S. and Alistair. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
I'd pay an admission fee for that!

Moderator? ..."We don't need no steenkin' moderator!"

IOWOLF
08-08-2005, 03:05 PM
Perhaps I shoild have said "If we don't like the O/T posts we don't have to read them"
Is that better?

Oh, and I can Judge any one I please, AND DO.

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J Tiers
08-08-2005, 04:00 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IOWOLF:
Who are you to judge?).]</font>



<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IOWOLF:

Oh, and I can Judge any one I please, AND DO.

[This message has been edited by IOWOLF (edited 08-08-2005).]</font>

Right, then..... we see your point.....! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//rolleyes.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

tattoomike68
08-08-2005, 08:03 PM
IOWOLF would be ok as a moderator, he is kind of a turd but he is cool.

lol

IOWOLF
08-08-2005, 08:18 PM
As much as I would like the authority,I am afraid I would become godlike (in my own mind) and would make Irrational decisions. We Have all seen what I am like when I don't take my meds. or I am provoked.

Thanx, but I must decline the offer. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif

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speedy
08-09-2005, 01:41 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tattoomike68:
he is kind of a turd but he is cool.
lol</font>
Do you mean he isn`t a fresh one, that he has been laying around for a while? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Ken http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

bobbybeef
08-09-2005, 03:41 AM
Yep youall said it all.
Its a good BB and I have learned more things than I can count from the question and answer of all of you.
I am essentially a lurker until I get a problem of my own making in the shop. Then I get such prompt replies that I barely have time to clean up the mess from the first mistake.
I like J Stevenson and Alistair and the Canuks .thats just Old Commonwealth Stuff anyway. But best of all I like all those chaps from the US rust belt who know how to thread straight and get me on track whatever the problem. Have noticed some chaps from Silicon valley seem to be getting the hang of the old ways.
Much gnashing of teeth here as we saw the last wicket fall to allow the Pomms back into the contest. Crickets the Winner!
Regards to all,
Bobbybeef.

spope14
08-09-2005, 10:11 AM
Ah heck, I come here for all of it. I teach high school students the arts of machining, thus my conversations must be very proper, PC to a large degree, and relly have no deep substance of talking with those of a like "foundation" of years of work in the machining fields, and in the shops in general.

I look for the OT topics because they can be fun now and then. When they get hot, I just do not use that finger muscle that allows me to click. The fun ones are kind of like coffee break in the shop, time to shoot the bull with people of the same cloth.

I try to seek informtion. Many a time I have posted a class or personal machining problem looking for information and solutions. This has been invaluable to me and my students. There is such a source of foundation skills and knowledge here, it has made me a better teacher and machinist.

I look forward to seeing if the Dog has chewed off IBEW's ear. I look forward to the occassional visit from our esteemed friend Dave aka Thrud (whom e-mailed me recently, much to my grateful thanks....have to get back on that e-mail account and find it, and thank him). I look forward to Alistairs commentary on how crappy American Beer is, and his recommendations on new brews for me to seek. I look or the occassional trig chart or suh like posted, but was shocked to see a picture of my first boss in one post here in this thread......

I like to share when I can, but alas, I am not in the shop right now, it jurts like crazy to type, and my shoulder is now blown out beyond wht I expected. This message is about one hour of work to this point.

This is not just my resource, it is my contact with friends fom all around the country and world. Friends of he same "cloth" as I mentioned, a forum of information, and of fun discourse. Just like lunch or coffee break in the shops I worked at, when things get too serious, you can get up and move, or start a new conversation.

Neil moderates a great forum, as does Dave on the "other board". Each has their own personality and method, and you take that into account when you get on any forum, and accept it - forums are not a right guaranteed by the constitution, they are sponsored by those who put them up, and we are guests.

I consider myself a humble guest of both forums, and show my respect to the moderators and those fellow posters on the forums, for I truly appreciate them - all of you- in more ways than you can imagine.

John Stevenson
08-09-2005, 10:24 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tattoomike68:
IOWOLF would be ok as a moderator, he is kind of a turd but he is cool.

lol</font>

Problem is he's 93rd on the list, 5 after Alistair.
Jerry Smith is 92nd

J Tiers
08-09-2005, 12:20 PM
Agreed..... this IS a good furum....

And, not ALL OT things are bad.....most are OK, in fact.

Some seem to be just coat-trailing political stuff looking for trouble, no need for them.

Ones that get kinda personal in a bad way are also not needed at all.

But Alastair is right about American beer, except there isn't any such thing.... it actually comes from horses, and has another name, not "beer".

And the "other board" guy is DON not Dave (kind of an inside joke, if you have been over there....)

I see that one of the worst threads ever seems to have been "moderated away", which is what needed to happen.

Milacron of PM
08-09-2005, 01:23 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And the "other board" guy is DON not Dave </font> Yeah..."Uncle" Dave has gone to that great hamburger in the sky !

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

IOWOLF
08-09-2005, 03:07 PM
Isnt a hamburger, a Cow Patty? I hope he doesnt fall. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Your Old Dog
08-09-2005, 10:00 PM
Scope14, nicely put.

Just for the record, I also think IOWOLF would make a good choice for moderator..................................he won't be armed will he? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Spin Doctor
08-10-2005, 12:10 AM
1) I will admit I have not gone through this whole thread so if I repeat anything anyone else said too bad. This forum provides both inspiration and solutions to problems in its related field. And I love it for it. But it also provides a certain amount of comic relief and also serious political commentary without (for the most part) getting into flame wars. And I value that also. Another hobbiest site belong to banned all political/religous/WOT threads under pain of expulsion because some people could not refrain from name calling and inuendo. Something thjat for the most part we do not see here all that much. And if Niel wants to start a fourth column for OT subjects its hios site and bandwidth not yours.

IOWOLF
08-10-2005, 05:52 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Your Old Dog:
Scope14, nicely put.

Just for the record, I also think IOWOLF would make a good choice for moderator..................................he won't be armed will he? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif</font>

Oh hell yea, 2 arms one on each side.
That should scare ya.

Your Old Dog
08-10-2005, 08:14 AM
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

J Tiers
08-10-2005, 08:15 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IOWOLF:
Oh hell yea, 2 arms on each side.
That should scare ya.</font>

Ah knowed thet boy weren't normal

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

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