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John Stevenson
08-07-2005, 12:53 PM
A grinder that is.
Been looking for one of these for ages, rare as hens teeth here for some reason.
Plenty of horizontal wheel manual grinders but these are so fast compared to the horizontal for simple jobs.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7535292198

Do you fancy slopping some paint over that Mark ?

Sir John.

BillH
08-07-2005, 01:03 PM
You make Ink Machines?

wierdscience
08-07-2005, 01:22 PM
Ahh similar to a Blanchard.We have one at work with a revolving elctromagnetic chuck and flood coolant.It's the money makingest machine we have.Local plastic compounding plant has us grind the're pelletizig dies.$98 for 15 minutes work.

John Stevenson
08-07-2005, 01:30 PM
Amongst other things.
Don't do many lately as we have about flooded the market in the UK.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevenson.engineers/lsteve/files/135%20and%20510%20front.jpg

Not a good pic, one taken and not fully cleaned up.
Also do pencil sharpeners.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevenson.engineers/lsteve/files/rexel%20block1.jpg

These can do 24,000 per hour flat out, usually set to run at about 12,000 to 14,000 for better quality.
Heres a half block off one being machined.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevenson.engineers/lsteve/files/rexel%20block2.jpg

Also do a different type that uses rotating cutters.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevenson.engineers/lsteve/files/new%20pointer.jpg

These are slower, 7,000 per hour but can do pencils that can't be done on the high speed machines like plastic and make up pencils as they melt.

This one is coming back at Christmas shut down for a refurb. Made in 1999 it's so far clocked up 14 million pencils without one breakdown.

Sir John

BillH
08-07-2005, 01:41 PM
Yep, seen the pencils machines before, quite cool.

John Stevenson
08-08-2005, 05:11 PM
Got a problem.
Sending Gert down to London on Wednesday in the Donald to collect this grinder.

Do I give her a quid [ £1.00 ] for a cup of coffee on the way or make a flask up for her ??

Decisions, decisons..............

Sir John

Evan
08-08-2005, 05:30 PM
Give her a cup full of pencils to sell...

JRouche
08-08-2005, 05:45 PM
No flask, some "employees" prefer filling them up with other than coffee liquid consumables http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//cool.gif

Then again if you give her that much money ya may not see her for a few days.

It's a crap shoot unfortunately. JRouche

By the way, I thought most limeys drank tea, I'm tellin the Queenie!

BillH
08-08-2005, 05:46 PM
Hmm, A question that I think Alistair should answer.

IOWOLF
08-08-2005, 05:58 PM
OK, This may be a stupid question but,Can't brits sharpen there own pencils? or does it take a degree? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif

jburstein
08-08-2005, 06:01 PM
give her a flask, less likely to spill and cause her to sue you for pain and suffering from the burns. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

-Justin

Smokedaddy
08-08-2005, 06:16 PM
So John,

What is it normally used for (your new machine that is)?

-SD:

aboard_epsilon
08-08-2005, 06:21 PM
Do you fancy slopping some paint over that Mark ?

I think after spending about 10 hours just on preping the knee of the fritz......the answer is no http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

To anyone contemplating repainting a machine ..here's a break down so far..on just the main body of the machine.

strip down machine to componant parts....this with me knowing how they came apart, because i assembled it before
2 hours

power washing
1 hour

rubbing paint work down sanding , filling, sanding,filling....priming ....sanding filling......priming again.......sanding.....and first coat of epoxy including wipe dpowns with panel wipe alcohol .
30 hours

and another 5 hours left on the main body of the machine for 2 more epoxy coats plus poly 2k finish coat for the gloss.

total imput into this machine will be in the region of 100 hours i think when finished......I've enjoyed every bit though.


all the best..mark

John Stevenson
08-08-2005, 06:43 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IOWOLF:
OK, This may be a stupid question but,Can't brits sharpen there own pencils? or does it take a degree? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif</font>

Not by hand at the rate of 12,000 per hour.
We don't need no steenking degree's, if you haven't got a degree you just do it.
If you have a degree you just think you can do it. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

IOWOLF
08-08-2005, 06:48 PM
I guess I was asking why do you need to sharpen that many pencils so fast?

John Stevenson
08-08-2005, 06:53 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Smokedaddy:
So John,

What is it normally used for (your new machine that is)?

-SD:</font>


SD,
These are normally used for sharpening press tool or stamping dies.
There is either a recessed wheel ot a wheel with inserted grinding blocks on the end of the motor.
You pull the grinding head and swing it over the work on the sticky table.
They do about a 7" swathe in one pass.
Very quick.

I want this for grinding division disks, I have a conventional horizontal wheel surface grinder but they are slow compared to one of these. Mine is limited to a 1" wide wheel and about a thou and a half max cut so it's many passes.
These will do the same disk in about 4 or 5 swings.

When you get this many to do it saves your arms from falling off http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevenson.engineers/lsteve/files/divplates.jpg

Sir John.

BTW not all Brits drink tea.
I have never drunk it, can't stand it or the smell of it.

ibewgypsie
08-08-2005, 07:01 PM
I prefer Japanese tea.

My HF grinder can sharpen a drill bit like a bit of heaven.

I set all the angles, bed and follower and that made it so simple it was enjoyable.

Now since it's set I may sharpen every drill in the house.

Not sure I can get 12,000 bits in a hour thou.

David

John Stevenson
08-08-2005, 07:06 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IOWOLF:
I guess I was asking why do you need to sharpen that many pencils so fast?</font>


Sorry didn't see what you was getting at.
These are for pencil manufacturers as part of the production line.

Just up the road from me, literally 100 yards is one of the oldest UK manufactures of pencils, Chambers pencils.
Most of their stock is now bought in from abroad, China and Brazil and they finish off, sharpening, foil printing and doing personalised company pencils and pens but they still literally move millions of these in a year.

Here's the boss of the company Norman Chambers giving his opinion on the new stamper we built for him.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevenson.engineers/lsteve/files/Norman.jpg

John S.

aboard_epsilon
08-08-2005, 07:20 PM
How many people work in your shop john.
all the best..mark

John Stevenson
08-08-2005, 07:36 PM
Just me now.
I had a retired guy working with me up until about 4 years ago but he retired again as he wasn't in good health.
Brillinat guy you could just tell him what was what and leave him to it.

Took a couple of trainee's on but Health and Safety made it so it wasn't worth doing. I spent more time looking after paperwork than actually working.

So now I try to pick my jobs out and steer clear of all the paperwork.
My setup is too small to change and it suits the way it is.
I work from home but I'm lucky in that my workshop has industrial permission, three phase laid on and all the equipment is paid for.

John S.

wierdscience
08-08-2005, 08:31 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Evan:
Give her a cup full of pencils to sell...</font>

Dark glasses and a white cane will boost sales http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Your Old Dog
08-08-2005, 08:46 PM
OH NO! THE GUY IN THAT PICTURE IS WEARING...........G L O V E S............

This ought to bring out the forum cops! Here we go again!

And Sir John, are you aware that pencils are sold in the U.S. without points? That's becasue some folks like the 22 degree taper and yet some absolutly have to have the 21 degree. Then you got the OSHA safety crap to deal with. Those sharpend pencils shipped in any kind of sheaf? This is really a controversial topic for general forum such as this one.


[This message has been edited by Your Old Dog (edited 08-08-2005).]

John Stevenson
08-09-2005, 03:13 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wierdscience:
Dark glasses and a white cane will boost sales http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

</font>


Don't help driving though. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

BTW the guy in the pic, Norman, is wearing a glove because he needs it !!
He's changing the stamping platten that holds the stamp that rolls the name onto the pencil.
That platten is at 300 degrees centigrade so as it stamps dowm with the foil inbetween it fuses the foil onto the pencil.

The glove is a special thermal glove.

If you look at the foil rollers on the top of the machine you can seee that they are carrying rainbow foil. This is rolled round the pencil with a flat die so it looks as if it had been painted on.
If you want a name on top of this it's a foil change, die change and run them back thru the machine.

Most of the work done by these machines are novelty pencils for museums, gift shops etc.

We get literally 1,000's of these rejects where the printing hasn't come out properly and we give them to playgroups, schools and other good causes.

Can't show any pics at the moment as my new camera is broke but my favorite ones are some gold foil ones with a small picture of Stevensons Rocket, done for the Railway museum at York.

John S.



[This message has been edited by John Stevenson (edited 08-09-2005).]

Evan
08-09-2005, 10:11 AM
Now I'm jealous. I'll bet you never have to look for a pencil.

madman
08-10-2005, 01:27 AM
Real men use magic markers at least in canada they do. BUrp.

Alistair Hosie
08-10-2005, 03:25 PM
John here's what I would do give Gert two cups of tea the night before and you will save money next day!!! The motorway tea is about $19 per cup honestly you need a bank overdraft to buy a cup and if you want a sandwich you need to remortgage your house and shop http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gifAlistair

IOWOLF
08-10-2005, 03:29 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by madman:
Real men use magic markers at least in canada they do. BUrp.</font>

Don't they freeze up?

chkz
08-11-2005, 07:09 AM
the damned magic markers are a bitch to sharpen though...........felt bits everywhere

JCHannum
08-11-2005, 10:13 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chkz:
the damned magic markers are a bitch to sharpen though...........felt bits everywhere</font>

You are not supposed to sharpen them. Blunt to a mushroom shape and do all drawings on napkins or brown paper hand towels.