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Michael Az
08-10-2005, 04:05 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7537531195&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1

I am waiting for the hammers and chisels to come up from orange county junkers. Their tooling will be worth a fortune. It finally dawned on me who mad dad reminded me of, Hulk Hogan!! Mad dad should be a pro wrestler!! He missed his calling on that one. About the dumbest show on tv, discovery channel is about like watching mtv anymore. There, I've had my explosion.

Michael

JCHannum
08-10-2005, 04:24 PM
Whut's a tailstop?

bob308
08-10-2005, 05:19 PM
i ride and ride alot never heard of indian larry or the other ones on the tv. i can build as good or better bikes as them.
so all i can say who gives a fat rats butt.

GregC
08-10-2005, 05:30 PM
If I buy that lathe, will I be a bad-ass as those two guys in the photo?

reggie_obe
08-10-2005, 06:50 PM
Did you miss the fine print, "Comes compleete wit hand forged, I mean hand writtin paper of authenticity."

Michael Az
08-10-2005, 08:01 PM
Bob, Indian Larry was a bike builder and I think a stuntman that died last year, I think. So I would imagine this lathe will bring hundreds of thousands. Sure wish I could trade my LeBlond for it.
Michael

bob308
08-10-2005, 08:24 PM
no he was not a stuntman he was the idot that road around standing on the seat of his bike. and yes he fell off and died. it is just a lathe. proably hard used and missed used.

mochinist
08-10-2005, 08:34 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bob308:
i ride and ride alot never heard of indian larry or the other ones on the tv. i can build as good or better bikes as them.
so all i can say who gives a fat rats butt.</font>

Then why don't you build bikes for a living, they seem to be making a good chunk of change doing it.

cntryboy1289
08-10-2005, 08:34 PM
I agree with the last post. Any idot that stands on a bike and rides around on an airport runway is asking for trouble. He was a colorful guy though. I would think the nostalgia would kick this up in the price range of a car before all is said and done. I guess if you buy the lathe you can get your picture made with the two idiots while you are crating up the lathe. Shouldn't be too hard to know if it is legit though if you have to go to Gasoline Alley to pack it up and move it.

speedy
08-10-2005, 08:46 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GregC:
If I buy that lathe, will I be a bad-ass as those two guys in the photo?</font>

You will have to lose your sense of humour and develop a complex first http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Hey, a tough bad arse lathe needs tough guy bad arse operater http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Just some more bollocks from the world of "Celebrity". As far as I`m concerned you can just "Stick it up ya jacksee and whistle"


Ken http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif



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speedy
08-10-2005, 08:50 PM
damn, dun it again! Sorry boys.

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bob308
08-10-2005, 09:37 PM
i built some bikes. only thing i can not get on tv. that is where the money is. for every builder you see on tv. there are a thousand more that did not make it or no one knows about.

chief
08-10-2005, 10:24 PM
Junk.

torker
08-11-2005, 12:42 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GregC:
If I buy that lathe, will I be a bad-ass as those two guys in the photo?</font>
Greg...Yes...you will be badass....and you will have a TV show and you will weld with your eyes closed and you will drive your SUV through a wall and ..... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
(And could ya give me a job when you get famous?)

chkz
08-11-2005, 06:57 AM
Hey Guys,
I agree...to sell this as a "legacy" lathe is pretty damned crass. Looks like folks are trying to profit here off someone elses death.
I can (and have) built bikes IMHO equally as good as those on that idiotic orange cty show, and the rest and at one time was quite "into" the whole "chopper scene" before it became a fad! Indian Larry has been around a long, long time and I wouldn't put him in the same category as the OCC gang. His somewhat "lavish" website notwithstanding...i'm sure someone did that for him. Basically I think this guy was just a grassroots kind of Mechanic with a bit of a creative streak who jumped on a few opportunities that came his way (and who wouldn't?) to do a few ride-on scenes in movies, Letterman appearance etc. What few interviews, etc I've seen about him over the years (anybody remember Iron Horse magazine before it became its present piece of trash??) he appears to have been a genuinely upstanding guy who you'd be proud to have in your shop!!

again...just my .02 worth...

John Stevenson
08-11-2005, 07:51 AM
There is a VAST difference between build and assemble.

What you see on OCC is assembly.

This is build.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevenson.engineers/lsteve/files/jones1.jpg

Other than the magneto and bolts there are no commercial parts to this engine.
1948 250cc twin cylinder DOHC, red line at 11,000
Patterns, castings and all machining done in a home shop.

Later version.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevenson.engineers/lsteve/files/jones2.jpg

500cc four cylinder 1954 DOHC, but in an earlier frame. The brake dates back to 1950 twin leading shoe, double sided before any of the works teams had these.
Dennis Jones, the builder astride.

John S.

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bob308
08-11-2005, 08:18 AM
thaks chief now i know where you keep your head.

yes indian larry was better then occ.

john at first look at the pic it looked like a miller indy car motor from the 30 's

JRouche
08-11-2005, 08:45 AM
John, glad you stated who the builder in the photo is. For a sec I thought that was you in yer youth due to the B/W photografy. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif JRouche

madman
08-11-2005, 11:07 AM
John you got that right. I hung around 1 percenters a bit growing up, I was the kid who had made machined stuff for my bike. It also was capable of evading police pursuit quite readily even on our highways. I watched a guy (President back then) of a major club unwrap a front chrome plated disc from a box. I asked him between sips of beer (One buck a bottle from there pop machine on sundays thats really why i was there) what he was doing. He said i gotta rub this on the cobblestones to thin it out cause it wouldnt fit between his brake caliper. (harley) I had trouble not laughing at him out loud. I mentioned hydrogen embrittlement and compromisint the discs strength. He didnt seem to care just as long as it was shiny. Funny as hell even today 26 years later, I quit going there shortly after and concentrated on my drag racing hobby.I think the word i had in mind for them was gazooneheads.

RPease
08-11-2005, 01:07 PM
I had an uncle (who died a couple of years ago) named Larry. He was part Indian. Maybe I can sell some of the tools he left me as "previously owned by Indian Larry".

That's not too mis-representive.........is it????

BillH
08-11-2005, 01:28 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by RPease:
I had an uncle (who died a couple of years ago) named Larry. He was part Indian. Maybe I can sell some of the tools he left me as "previously owned by Indian Larry".

That's not too mis-representive.........is it????</font>
I dont know, I thought about selling locks of blonde hair on ebay that I said I found on an Aruban beach. Ofcourse I wouldnt really do such a thing, I never been to Aruba.

KENZ
08-11-2005, 01:45 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by torker:

Originally posted by GregC:
If I buy that lathe, will I be a bad-ass as those two guys in the photo?</font>
Greg...Yes...you will be badass....and you will have a TV show and you will weld with your eyes closed and you will drive your SUV through a wall and ..... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
(And could ya give me a job when you get famous?)



Yeah, It will be: "Tune in next week to AMERICAN MACHINIST, will Greg get his new lathe leveled or will he hit it with a wrecking ball?"

Torker, I'm not trying to steal your quote- it didn't post right.

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johnhurd
08-12-2005, 09:08 AM
Hole Thru Spindle: yes

JCHannum
08-12-2005, 09:33 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by johnhurd:
Hole Thru Spindle: yes </font>

But they don't specify which way.

GregC
08-12-2005, 09:51 AM
I emailed them, I was interested in bidding, but I found out that the two bad-asses are included with the lathe and the owner is unwilling to separate them.

The worst part is they are permanently attached to the lathe in the postion shown; Indian Larry found a way to weld humans to cast iron not long before he died. I think it would be too difficult to actually use the lathe with them in the way, so if anyone else feels like bidding, be my guest.

madman
08-12-2005, 09:53 AM
Try a good chainsaw.

Al Flipo
08-12-2005, 10:00 AM
The gentleman on the home build bike is not wearing a tie, and strange outlandish foreign shoes wear, he most be one of these eccentric geniuses.
BTW, I think Larry’s lathe should be declared a national treasure and stored in the Smithsonian.

andy_b
08-12-2005, 11:54 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by John Stevenson:
There is a VAST difference between build and assemble.

What you see on OCC is assembly.

This is build.

Other than the magneto and bolts there are no commercial parts to this engine.
1948 250cc twin cylinder DOHC, red line at 11,000
Patterns, castings and all machining done in a home shop.

John S.
</font>

can you imagine the racket that engine makes with the straight-cut gear train???? don't get me wrong, it would be music to my ears, but i can just imagine the sound. some day i'd like to build an engine from scratch. i think it would be a cool project.

andy b.

Rustybolt
08-12-2005, 02:46 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chkz:
Hey Guys,
I agree...to sell this as a "legacy" lathe is pretty damned crass. Looks like folks are trying to profit here off someone elses death.
I can (and have) built bikes IMHO equally as good as those on that idiotic orange cty show, and the rest and at one time was quite "into" the whole "chopper scene" before it became a fad! Indian Larry has been around a long, long time and I wouldn't put him in the same category as the OCC gang. His somewhat "lavish" website notwithstanding...i'm sure someone did that for him. Basically I think this guy was just a grassroots kind of Mechanic with a bit of a creative streak who jumped on a few opportunities that came his way (and who wouldn't?) to do a few ride-on scenes in movies, Letterman appearance etc. What few interviews, etc I've seen about him over the years (anybody remember Iron Horse magazine before it became its present piece of trash??) he appears to have been a genuinely upstanding guy who you'd be proud to have in your shop!!

again...just my .02 worth... </font>


It's OK. It's not really Indian Larry's lathe.

speedy
08-12-2005, 06:01 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by andy_b:
can you imagine the racket that engine makes with the straight-cut gear train???? don't get me wrong, it would be music to my ears, but i can just imagine the sound. some day i'd like to build an engine from scratch. i think it would be a cool project.
andy b.</font>

Good LOUD megaphones and the "problem" is solved http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif
When you can hear the geartrain, you know she is ticking over...when you can still see the oil dripping, you know it still has oil http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
There are still plenty of old boys about who are innovating in their back sheds, they will know what most of us can only speculate on. My neighbour builds BSA 350`s that clean up regularly, a self taught man who has done plenty in his life and who I have great respect for.... a man of few words, but every one counts.
Ken

chief
08-12-2005, 06:20 PM
Well Bob,
I don't think the lathe is worth $200. I kind of know where you keep your head too,
Ya never heard of bob, then he's an idiot, then he's better than occ, which is it?
I build bikes too, the picture below is a current project, all the fittings and fasteners are hand turned alunminum or titanium, I also did the paintwork and and powdercoating. and have cast engine side covers for it with the help of Dave opincarne. I have to make the parts becuse the company shut down 30 years ago.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/Slickster_/ossa1.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/Slickster_/ossa3.jpg

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Mcgyver
08-12-2005, 06:35 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chief:
then he's an idiot, then he's better than occ, which is it?</font>

haven't realy followed all of this, but logically speaking, why can't he be both an idiot and better than occ?

lynnl
08-12-2005, 07:53 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mcgyver:
haven't realy followed all of this, but logically speaking, why can't he be both an idiot and better than occ?</font>

Good one Mcgyver!!! I agree.

I'm not knocking anyone's interests. In fact I find motor cycles interesting myself. But that drivel on TV got old real quick. (like the second show I saw) There's no technological or mechanical substance at all to any of those shows. They order parts, then piss and moan because they may not be received in time and they have a deadline to meet.

Discovery channel originally had a format that had wide appeal. Why switch to something of such limited focus?

Michael Az
08-12-2005, 08:09 PM
Nice work Chief. Gives you a lot of satisfaction to do work like that. But Bob is right about an idiot is definatly better than OCC!
Michael

The Doctor
08-12-2005, 09:21 PM
Chief, I understand your fascination with the older bikes, and I must admit your work looks nice. But let me ask you this. Why in the hell would you mess with an old Ossa? I had a lot of old bikes when I was younger, among them a couple of Puch 175s, a Hercules 175, a little Mini bike type gizmo made by Bennelli which displaced 65 CC and had a four-speed transmission, and a whole load of Jap bikes. I also had, in this mix, a pair of Ossa 250 super pioneers. While they did not ride bad, they had less power than the Hercules 175 of the same vintage, and did not seem to be very reliable. Specifically, the big end of the connecting rods on those things seemed to be very prone to turning to dust. I let a friend ride the Ossa quite a bit, my favorite at the time was definitely the Hercules. Both of the 250s lost cranks in one months time. Big end of the rod is completely disintegrated in both cases, I also knew a fellow that owned a 250 stiletto were the crank fell apart after just a few rides. Granted, these were used bikes. However, when the first 250 blew its engine, I checked the other one out real good before putting in service. No problems were apparent, it still didn't last a week. I hope you have better luck.

I don't know what model you're working on there, nor am I sure what parts I may have left, but I'm fairly sure I've got a pipe and possibly a set of forks for a super pioneer 250. If these would be any use to you, let me know. You could easily have them for the cost of shipping. I would, of course, send you pictures first as well as take any measurements you requested so you would not be sent junk. This is also assuming you are not in some location where the shipping will be prohibitive. Despite the fact I do not particular like the brand, I am always quite happy when I see somebody playing with an older piece of machinery.

marconi30@comcast.net

chief
08-13-2005, 01:01 AM
Doc,
Let me know what you have, I can probably use the stuff, I have other OSSAs. The model in the picture is a desert phantom.
Th factory finally straightened up and upgraded the crankshafts and ditched the cush drive, no crank problems now.
The con rods were also a problem but some machinist out there took a stouter Yamaha YZ and installed it in place of the factory rod
and the Rod problem has disappeared from OSSAs.
I remember Puch and Hercules, Hercules still has big following, Puch was always
exotic.
In high school I worked for a CZ dealer and we always got the stuff Jap dealers wouldn't work on, Maico, Montesa,sachs,DKW.
It was alot of fun because there were no rules. We took a 400 CZ, installed a reed valve, a mikuni,CDI and machined the cases to accept a 250 5 speed tranny. People would have to change their underwear after riding it, they all thought it was 250.

John Stevenson
08-13-2005, 05:29 AM
Nice job Chief,
This is what distinguishes a builder from an assembler.
Making parts or seriously modifying parts comes under builder.
Bending a tin can round a battery for a carrier doesn't count.
Picking up a telephone and ordering spares isn't building, it's chequebook engineering.

Not everyone has the time to do as Dennis did and build his own bikes. For some it's the doing, for others it's the end result.

The job is measured in satisfaction, with the programs on Discovery these are all about commercialism, whether it's from the parcipitents or the viewing ratings.
I absolutely refuse to watch this rubbish and if more did it would soon die out.

I also make a point of emailing TV shows I think are good, whether that makes a difference or not I have no idea but at least I feel better.

Once a show has settled on one group like OCC then it's dead. Unless something fresh or contravercial can be dragged up people aren't interested. They aren't the only ones doing this.

What's needed is a show that goes from city to city and State to State showing different views and different builders.
Only even having watched 3/4 of one show but reading about it here have they ever do a show on the engine builders? S&S ???

Shows like this need fresh material.

John S.

PS
Chief, can you edit the side cover picture down please to stop scrolling.
Ta.

pete913
08-13-2005, 07:01 AM
I'd really love to see the documentation on who owned that lathe, I'll bet theres none, zip, nada, nothing.
As far as the OCC bunch goes, I can see why they call that guy mad dad. I'f I'd spawned a couple useless lumps of flesh like his boys, I'd be pissed too. Those two kids would still be getting fired at McDonalds if it wasn't for daddy and his tv program, a fact that seems to escape both of them. They should call the dark haired one who works in the shop "whiner boy".

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bob308
08-13-2005, 07:24 AM
well cheif most of the others on here know what i am saying.
the lathe is just a lathe.
i never called the mans bikes junk.
yes he was idot for riding down the road in traffic standing on the seat
i never heard of cheifs bikes before either.


john they do have a show something like you said. it is call great biker build off. they take two builders and give them 30 days to build a bike and ride it to an event.

uncrichie
08-13-2005, 09:59 AM
Wow, its up $2.50 from starting bid. Uncrichie...

japcas
08-14-2005, 05:22 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> john they do have a show something like you said. it is call great biker build off. they take two builders and give them 30 days to build a bike and ride it to an event.[/B]</font>

Most of those guys on biker buildoff do the same thing occ does. They buy a bunch of parts and put together a bike. Notice I said most, there has been a couple of them that actually fab a frame up and build the tanks and fenders from scratch. Heck they had a couple of them that you hardly even seen touching the bike, they had their "crew" building and they took they credit.

Tinkerer
08-14-2005, 06:54 PM
Well I really can't take OCC (Over Counter Coppers) any more... same schit different "Deadline" manufacture DRAMA. Southern Steel builds there bike from scratch... No yelling... No size 10 boots. I'd like to see Junkyard Wars brung back in it original format with everyday Joe's and Jane's. As for Indian Larry out of all the build he seemed to have been the humblest of the bunch.