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Your Old Dog
09-09-2005, 08:42 PM
Found this vice at a hardware store while getting some glass paynes cut. They have no clue what it's used for. I told them I knew a place that was pretty good at answering stuff like this. Was I right or wrong ?

http://www.raysstuff.com/shop/Sept%209%202005%20001.jpg

J Tiers
09-09-2005, 10:21 PM
Its a vise, anvil, grinder and I think, drill.

I forget who made it, but someone I think on the PM board (or was it here?) HAS one. His has all the goodies.

IIRC, the middle gear shaft has a 1/2" drill socket on the INSIDE, and you put the handle on one of the three shafts to get the appropriate drilling speed ratio, using the highest ratio speed-up to do grinding.

Mcgyver
09-09-2005, 10:29 PM
That’s hilarious. the predecessor to the ginsu knife. order now and get this handy scriber/nail cleaner....but theres more...

speedy
09-10-2005, 05:12 AM
"Just 10 easy monthly payments of $49.99"

Ken

IOWOLF
09-10-2005, 05:34 AM
Not another 3 in 1 machine,geeeezzzz.

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The tame Wolf !

Lee Paul
09-10-2005, 07:53 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IOWOLF:
Not another 3 in 1 machine,geeeezzzz.

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Ahhhhhh......vise, anvil, grinder and I think, drill...

That would be a "4 in 1"....... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

madman
09-10-2005, 08:04 AM
Looks Stupid.

Flatline's Up!
09-10-2005, 08:09 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by madman:
Looks Stupid.</font>

Stupid is as stupid does...

I'd love to have something like that laying around... I think it's pretty damn cool IMHO.

Your Old Dog
09-10-2005, 08:15 AM
Well, it has me thinking it was more than it appears to be at first glance, that is, a K-Tell buy one will give you 4 more....... type of item. The hook on the inside jaw and it's opposing pipe jaw led me to believe it might actually be a specialty type vice. Or, maybe the hook was just a poorly designed balance for the jaw above it. I got a feeling it may be out of large company that needed a lot of these for a specific reason. They aren't very popular but it appears to be mass produced. Besides that, from the age of it I don't think K-tell was around, if they were they would have primarily pushing their salad shooters.

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JRouche
09-10-2005, 09:51 AM
I like it! Get a cover on them gears before osha gets a whiff http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
JRouche

madman
09-10-2005, 11:05 AM
Its just a vice that tightens loosens from the opposite end.

DR
09-10-2005, 11:31 AM
"Its a vise, anvil, grinder and I think, drill."

Yep, that's right.

These type multipurpose machines were made by various companies. There were some models shown in those reprints of old Sears catalogs that were so popular a few years back.

I had one similar to the picture. The vise and anvil were okay, the rest is next to useless. Maybe in their day if no other way to grind and drill was available they were better than nothing.

Last Old Dog
09-10-2005, 04:48 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Your Old Dog:
. . . Or, maybe the hook was just a poorly designed balance for the jaw above it. </font>

Me thinks the 'hook' is merely a supprt for the matching loose pipe jaw whilst clamping. Last Old Dog

Not affiliated with the authentic 'Your Old Dog'

IOWOLF
09-10-2005, 06:11 PM
Where is the part that drills?

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The tame Wolf !

Your Old Dog
09-10-2005, 06:43 PM
The midddle gear had a 1/2 square socket hole. JTiers says that was for a drill bit of some kind. I think he's right about that. Didn't we just have a post amonth ago from on of the UK boys that got a drill that operates by hand and screws down as you turn the bit for drilling heavy plate.

meho
09-10-2005, 07:02 PM
From what I gather it was geared towards the blacksmith market.

James

J Tiers
09-10-2005, 10:22 PM
The other one had a 1/2" ROUND hole, like a blacksmith post drill.

Apropos of nothing much, A guy here has been trying to sell an old Silver and Deming hand post drill for months.... he's down to $90 or so, I may just buy it..... and it should have the famous 1/2" 'chuck" for the S&D drills.

loggerhogger
09-12-2005, 03:12 PM
I saw one just like that several years ago. It was part of a portable blacksmith's forge. The blower was mounted under the firepot, and the anvil/vice/grinder was mounted to the side. All one compact unit.

Paul Alciatore
09-12-2005, 06:59 PM
Looks like a pretty large gear ratio for a drill. I wonder if it could have had some kind of bending attachment that would have used that large mechanical advantage? Someone did say blacksmith.

Anyway, that's what I would make with it.

Paul A.

speedy
09-12-2005, 11:37 PM
Looking at it i`m thinking that maybe it was designed to roll form hot or cold steel as well. The roll formers could have located there easily.It seems to me that the gear ratio would lend itself to that purpose. my 2cents.
ken

J Tiers
09-13-2005, 08:17 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Paul Alciatore:
Looks like a pretty large gear ratio for a drill. I wonder if it could have had some kind of bending attachment that would have used that large mechanical advantage? Someone did say blacksmith.

Anyway, that's what I would make with it.

Paul A.</font>

Actually, you have your choice of three ratios, if the drill socket is on the middle one. 1:1, a reduction, and a speed-up.


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Your Old Dog
09-14-2005, 06:19 AM
Alright. Guess I go back and eat some crow! I told these two hardware guys I knew a place where you could get all manner of weird questions answered! From the looks of the thread thus far we are just speculating on what it's intended use might have been. It looks a little whimpy to me to have been used in the blacksmith trades, however, I suppose for on-site installation of wrought iron railings it may have worked for light duty corrections?

Do I get an aluminum cookie or something for having stumped the crowd?

speedy
09-14-2005, 06:44 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Your Old Dog:
I told them I knew a place that was pretty good at answering stuff like this. Was I right or wrong ? </font>

Yes, you were!! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif


Ken

J Tiers
09-14-2005, 08:14 AM
Somewhere in teh PM archives there is a thread on one of these same items.

That's where the info comes from, as I hadn't seen one before.

That guy had the handle, grindu=ing wheel, etc, all with it, and it surely was as described. Looked a little heavier duty than yours, but same deal.

I would be betting serious money on the explanation here being correct, about vise anvil drill and grinder.

Yes, pipe vise, of course, and I forget if there was anything special about the "hook" deal.

You may be able to find it in teh PM archives. I gotta run so I don't have time.

JCHannum
09-14-2005, 08:16 AM
Here you go:

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000246

Paul Alciatore
09-14-2005, 11:25 AM
I didn't realize that the top shaft went through the jaw.

NeatO...

I don't have any aluminum cookies. Would a knock out do? Or perhaps a round tuit. I've been presented with several of those.

Paul A.


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Your Old Dog
09-14-2005, 03:43 PM
Thanks guys! So it appears to be exactly what I thought it wasn't. I thought it was a specilized tool for some specific task. The add in JC listing shows it as a "Ktel" type cheap tool meant for home and ranchhand type uses! Thanks for all your help and work. I'll be the guys at the hardware will be surprised to here of it's history!

ray....