View Full Version : No argon today...

10-11-2005, 04:43 PM
I went to the welding supply house all excited about getting my tank and it wasn't back from testing. Looks like it'll have to wait until next week...

I'm having trouble holding back from painting it until it's tested 100%.

I've found that when I paint stuff too early I end up having to work on it some more and skinning it up before the paint is fully cured.

10-11-2005, 05:36 PM
Be ready for a shock argon is produced it texas where thehurricanes were I was told yesterday it would go up 30% by next month,this includes c25.
Your results may vary.

The tame Wolf !

10-11-2005, 06:08 PM
Actually argon is produced in a lot of places as it is a byproduct of fractional distillation of the the atmosphere to produce liquid O2 and N2. This is an electricity dependent process. The local plant in Bham has a direct transmission line from Bham to a TVA nuke in north Alabama. Its cost reflects cost of bulk electricity. Helium on the other hand is separated out of natural gas and the US is the leading producer of helium. Our nat gas wells have more of it than is usual. Hydrogen, ditto, as it is a product of petroleum cracking, so it is refinery dependent. There are several methods of making hydrogen commercially.

10-11-2005, 06:18 PM
Sooooo I can tell the guy he is a Liar?

The tame Wolf !

10-11-2005, 06:43 PM
I don't get it. I "buy" a tank from my welding supply. When I need more gas, I exchange "my tank" for another. That tank then becomes "my tank." When a valve gets messed up or the tank needs a hydro or needs a new coat of paint, I just exchange for another and they take care of all of that. At the end of the day, if I want to sell it, I put it in the paper and away we go.

Why are you literally owning your own tank? Do you live in one of those funky areas or are you trying to be the king of irony with a sparkly new tank strapped to a 40 year old welder http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif I can tell you right now that if you want to pursue your welding business, your customers aren't going to wait around for your tank to get back from the gas place.

10-11-2005, 08:38 PM
They said $60 to fill it. I think they said it was an "L0" size? Big sucker...

10-11-2005, 08:47 PM
I've been asking myself that question...

I lease my mig and O/A tanks but got this tank in a "deal". They won't let my tank enter their pool because it has "Property of US Air Force" on the collar but they will fill it. Now that I have thought about it I should have just leased another tank but thought it'd be neat to have my own http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//rolleyes.gif

Your Old Dog
10-11-2005, 08:47 PM
I didn't buy my tanks. I ten year leased'em and according to the guy, you show up with a tank in one hand and cash in the other and they exchange them..........forever. They don't care so much about the ten year lease and they don't really check. I think it's easier for them dealing with the inspection end of the business. I have had great luck telling them I'm a home shop guy, will have these tanks for quite awhile, do you mind giving me a nice looking one and they always have. (of course they probably roll on the floor laughing when I leave. "Did you hear that guys, he wants nice looking tanks for his shop!" http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif )

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10-11-2005, 09:26 PM
I get it. When you paint that thing, paint it the same color as theirs. Hopefully, they'll miss it one of these days.

10-12-2005, 12:27 AM

no argon for you...NEXT!

10-12-2005, 01:09 AM
Too funny. Where'd you find the Soup Nazi?

10-12-2005, 01:49 AM

He may be stretching the truth a bit.
A friend works at SoCal AirGas in Wilmington CA.
He told me they have been working 12 hour shifts for a couple of weeks to fill orders (cylinders) to ship to the 4 plants that have been affected by the hurricanes. IIRC he said two of the plants were distribution facilities i.e. they ship gas in in bulk, and then fill cylinders from on site tanks .The other two were speciality gas plants catering mainly to the refineries.
The cost increase is partly due to shipping, but it sounds like your distributor is taking advantage of the situation to increase profits http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//mad.gif


10-12-2005, 02:27 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Carl:

no argon for you...NEXT!</font>

Now that's funny http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

I was talking about painting the machine. I have a quart of red paint waiting...

10-12-2005, 02:30 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by david_r:
Too funny. Where'd you find the Soup Nazi?</font>

Google Image search.


10-12-2005, 02:32 AM
here's a money saving tip most don't know:
instead of using 100% argon, try plain old tap water.

tap water, or TH20, in most U.S. cities, is slightly denser than Argon and will do an *incredible* job of displacing the atmosphere around your weld puddle.

if you're lucky enough to have high chlorine levels in your area (sometimes works with high mineral %concentration, too) you can acheive good current transfer without even establishing an arc!

though harder to weld with than traditional Argon-shielded tig (a cop-out if you ask me), its a real money saver. TH20 welds, however, are more prone to hydrogen embrittlement and catastrophic thermal stress failures (C.T.S.F.)

best used in conjunction with a weld chamber. an old bathtub will do fine in a pinch.

TH20 also provides higher torch duty cycles for air-cooled models.

boy, the benefits go on and on...


ps.. this is a joke. its really early and my coffees not up yet. apparently neither am i.

10-12-2005, 06:00 AM
Wow, and I was going right out and find a tub.

The tame Wolf !

Your Old Dog
10-12-2005, 06:51 AM
knuckelhead, thanks for pointing out that was a joke! The only friend I got who wouldn't laugh is the one who teaches underwater welding in the Navy!

When I was twenty, I spent the better part of the day looking for the "film stretcher" to make a scene longer! Everybody was in on the joke but me!

10-12-2005, 06:20 PM
That aint funny Tony. I scorched my nads and burned my welder up. It did make a cool sound though...