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3 Phase Lightbulb
11-11-2005, 03:03 PM
I decided I wanted to make a full size plow for my truck (Just to plow my driveway) so I bought some parts from NorthernTool.com today:

I ordered two 3-ton long ram (manual) jacks ($21.99 each) for Left/Right pivoting, Item #144878:

http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/144878_lg.jpg

I ordered two shoes ($15.99 each), Item #10374:

http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/10374_lg.jpg

I ordered a 7' wide 54 lb cutting edge ($69.99), Item #10391:

http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/10391_lg.jpg

I ordered a super durable yellow polymer shield 28x96" 3/16" thick ($39.99) that I will attach to my plow frame, Item #104080:

http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/104080_lg.jpg

I'll order an electric winch like this one from Harbor Freight ($49.99) so I can raise/lower the plow from inside my truck, HF Item #92860:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/91700-91799/91727.gif

I'll have to manually get out to adjust the angle of course but it should still be much easier than plowing my driveway with a snow blower. It should be a quick build once I get all of the parts and the steel materials. This time I won't try ordering from Industrial Metal Sales http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

-Adrian

Your Old Dog
11-11-2005, 03:34 PM
sounds like a good price on the cutting edge. Best price I've found around here is $99.00 and the bolt kit is $15.00.

It sure is nice going to work in the morning not being all sweated up from wrestling a snowblower around the driveway! Takes me about 10 minutes.

3 Phase Lightbulb
11-11-2005, 03:50 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Your Old Dog:
sounds like a good price on the cutting edge. Best price I've found around here is $99.00 and the bolt kit is $15.00.

It sure is nice going to work in the morning not being all sweated up from wrestling a snowblower around the driveway! Takes me about 10 minutes.</font>


I was wondering if I really needed the cutting edge or not. What kind of material is it? I saw the bolt kits for $8.90 but I wasn't sure if I would need them since I'm making the frame that this blade will attach to and I've got tons of hardware already. Is there something special about the bolt kits?

-Adrian

IOWOLF
11-11-2005, 05:53 PM
Yes, they are called plow bolts. they are like flat head carridge bolts and grade 8 usually. spend the money (you seem to have plenty http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif ) and do it right.

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The tame Wolf !

tattoomike68
11-11-2005, 05:56 PM
the plow bolts have a countersunk head and a square carrage on them, they will hold up better when you hit a hard chunk of ice.(iced over sewer lids)

3 Phase Lightbulb
11-11-2005, 06:01 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tattoomike68:
the plow bolts have a countersunk head and a square carrage on them, they will hold up better when you hit a hard chunk of ice.(iced over sewer lids)

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Ah Ok... Cool. This blade must be very thick if they are counter sinking square head bolts into it. I'll Probably just use my own bolts with large washers for now. It's going to be a very light duty plow anyway.

-Adrian

IOWOLF
11-11-2005, 06:05 PM
Buy 'em books send 'em to school....................

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The tame Wolf !

CCWKen
11-11-2005, 08:04 PM
OH MAN! Thanks for the cylinder idea Adrian! I've been cusing and hunting for some hydraulic cylinders. The cheap long rams are a great "kit" for making cylinders. Sure beats $250 each for long cylinders.

A few mods and bingo!

wierdscience
11-11-2005, 08:55 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CCWKen:
The cheap long rams are a great "kit" for making cylinders.
A few mods and bingo! </font>

Oh no the're not http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

charlie coghill
11-11-2005, 08:58 PM
I posted a pic. of my snow plow on the Mentalillness bb.
It will rotate side to side but it is a manual job. I think that I will look at the cylinders/maybe the jacks to rotate the plow.
I already have the elect/hydralic pump to provide the power.

tattoomike68
11-11-2005, 09:01 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CCWKen:
OH MAN! Thanks for the cylinder idea Adrian! I've been cusing and hunting for some hydraulic cylinders. The cheap long rams are a great "kit" for making cylinders. Sure beats $250 each for long cylinders.

A few mods and bingo! </font>

wierdscience is right.

they are realy thin, tube in a tube , fine for what they are built to do but not much more. push olny.



[This message has been edited by tattoomike68 (edited 11-11-2005).]

Sprague M
11-11-2005, 09:17 PM
Plow bolts are specially made to serve two purposes, besides the obvious holding on of the blade.

First they have a square shank and tapered head, the square shank allows the removal of the bolt when the blade has been used for awhile, a conventional head would also be worn away and not allow a surface to hold while removing the nut in the back.

Secondly the taper allows the blade to be drawn tight to the mount to prevent movement. Regular bolts are not going to hold the blade tight enough and the blade will crack.

Wouldn't a set of holes on a swivel be faster to set the blade angle? Just an idea.

Matt

[This message has been edited by Sprague M (edited 11-11-2005).]

CCWKen
11-11-2005, 09:50 PM
Well then, that was a lousy idea... Adrian. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

QSIMDO
11-11-2005, 10:13 PM
11 and 12' plows; Frinks and Tennco's mostly with .75"x11" cutting edges, we just use grade 8 flange bolts and nuts.
Though, we're using the plain cutting edges as facia and run the 3 section carbide insert blades behind them.

NOT cheap at all but they last for years as opposed to maybe 2 storms.

wbleeker
11-11-2005, 10:50 PM
Adrian
Are those rams able to work in a horizontal position? Some rams/jacks only work when vertical.
Will

3 Phase Lightbulb
11-11-2005, 11:27 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wbleeker:
Adrian
Are those rams able to work in a horizontal position? Some rams/jacks only work when vertical.
Will</font>


Good question http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif I hope they do.

Evan
11-12-2005, 01:03 AM
I built a plow for my Land Rover around 1987. I used a section of 3/8" thick pipline steel from a 20 something inch diameter pipe. The plow uses a standard camper jack rated at about 5000 lbs to adjust the angle and a hydraulic ram cylinder I built for the lift.

Lift hydraulics are provided by a speedplow pump from a hiway snowplow truck. Adrian, you will find that using a winch is unbearably slow. My hydraulic pump lifts the blade or drops it 2 feet in one second. You will be constantly waiting for that winch to raise or lower the blade.

This is the pump in the cab:

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/roverpump.jpg

Here is the plow itself:

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/blade1.jpg

A few points about the design which make it work really well.

The blade is hinged near the very bottom of the blade. This combined with the two springs from a Chevy Suburban hood assembly allow it to tip forward if it hits a low obstruction so no damage occurs. The spring tension is adjustable with eyebolts at the top that hold the springs.

The blade skis are spring mounted and the pressure is adjustable so the blade just floats. This prevents it from collecting too much of the gravel in my driveway.

The frame for the blade is mounted to the vehicle as low as possible consistent with road clearance so the blade won't jack the front end up when it hits something.

If you have a heavy blade like I do you don't need a wear strip. I have been using mine since '87 and it has no appreciable wear. The skis support most of the weight. I sometimes plow the road up our hill when the road crews aren't on the ball and that is a total of 4 klics in passes and it still doesn't wear noticably.

A heavy blade is a big plus. It scrapes ice well and digs into the compacted snow well. It also serves as a grader in spring.

The electric angle drive on the far side in the pic is attached to an arm that has a shear bolt in it. If I hit something off center it shears the bolt. Those rams you have are severe overkill. At the most you only need one double acting ram of some kind.

The entire blade assembly is attached to a box frame on the front of the vehicle:

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/blade4.jpg

The frame has two main parts (not counting the lift). There is an outside box frame securely bolted to the chassis. Inside that is another box frame that carries the blade mounts/hinges. It is bolted on each side near the bottom with grade 3 bolts to the outside frame and grade 8 bolts at the top. If I hit something hard like a tree stump the bottom bolts shear off, the inside frame hinges back and no damage is caused.

One other tip, WD-40 sprayed on the blade before plowing stops the snow from sticking.


One other thing: The blade lift works via a chain that fits a link in a slot at the top end of the lift arm. For road travel the blade can be raised and supported on a log or something and the chain readjusted to hold the blade off the ground when the hydraulics are full down for road travel.

[This message has been edited by Evan (edited 11-12-2005).]

3 Phase Lightbulb
11-12-2005, 01:28 AM
The yellow polymer shield that I bought (picture above) is to prevent snow from sticking.

The 3 ton rams are definitely overkill, but I couldn't find anything smaller and at $22 each I'm not going to worry tot much about not using their full potential http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

I'm just going to plow my paved driveway which is around 100' long, 4 cars wide at the top. It takes me about an hour with the snow blower so any type of functional plow will be much easier this winter.

-Adrian

mattc
11-12-2005, 05:56 AM
for side shift I would just make it a manual sideshift I will take pics of how mine works
(it has a half round plate that is attached to the back of the plow with holes in it and a pin goes through into a hole in the A frame of the plow that way it locks in position, pull the pin and swivel it)
rather than using bottle jacks that you will have to unlock one and pump the other, not to mention most of those do not like to sit on their side or work in the cold
a good place to find a cutting edge is to get an old one from the local highway depatment, around here they usually have stacks of them that they have changed out on their graders

Matt in AK

IOWOLF
11-12-2005, 06:42 AM
One other tip, WD-40 sprayed on the blade before plowing stops the snow from sticking.

so does PAM cooking spray.

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The tame Wolf !

irontoart
11-12-2005, 06:52 AM
Hey 3 phase. Where you located I'm in Southwestern Ontario. I have some plow bolts I got for nothing. They're 5/16-18 thread the head is about 1-1/8" dia. and the overall length is 1". If your interested let me know how many you need. All you'd have to do is pay the shipping to you.

Your Old Dog
11-12-2005, 08:30 AM
Evan,
The helmut on the seat. What did you use for a mold? And I notice, there were no pictures of your shoes! NO, I'm not calling you a shoemaker but I can see how you might think I am http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

3phase,
Keep in mind the cutting edge lends a lot of strength to the business end of the blade. Mines stuck in the weeds right now but I think my Meyer cutting edge is about 1/2inch thick. It can be flipped over for a fresh cutting edge when the one wears. Just doing one driveway you won't be wearing any out soon but you should have one anyway if there's any chance of ice chunk build up in your drive.

If you want to get supertechical you can play with getting the spring tension just right. It allows the blade to stay firm while plowing but to start to tip as you elevate it while driving into a snowbank. This allows you to stack snow higher than the roof of the truck by about 2 feet. This allows you to keep more of your driveway open and not have it shrink down to nothing by mid-winter.

I would suggest you mount the plow springs similar to how the Western and Meyers are because that geometry will allow for sensitive setting of the blade trip feature while not having it so whimpy that it trips on a snowball or ice chunk.

As for the bolts, JUST DOING ONE DRIVE, I'd say you could use damn near anything. However, want to take your show on the road better bring a way to bring you edge home if it falls off http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

WAIT: If you're just gonna use an electric winch forget everything I said about the blade tilt spring adjustments! That tip is for the more manly plow rigs http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif I'll be surprised if an electric winch will let you stack snow. If you got lots of land, after the second snowfall when the frost sets in you can just start moving all the snow into the middle of the yard so you'll have someplace to put mid-winters snow. If you wait for the second or third snowfall it normally don't hurt the lawn. BTW, the shoes you bought will be the best type fow working over your lawn. Sorry for the long winded post...



[This message has been edited by Your Old Dog (edited 11-12-2005).]

Sprague M
11-12-2005, 09:04 AM
You think you'll only be doing your driveway now, it's like owning the only pickup in the family. "hey what ya doing this weekend" http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

Matt

Evan
11-12-2005, 09:57 AM
Yeah, I have ended up doing just about every neighbours driveway on this hill at one time or another as well as the road up the hill.

As far as a quick builds Adrian, I have never underestimated build time as much as I did for the blade. It took me at least four times as long as I guessed it would. And I used to do heavy duty welding and metal work on barges etc. This blade did save me a pile of money and works better than any of the light truck commercial rigs. I can blast along at 25-30 mph and not worry about stubbing it's toe on something.

snowman
11-12-2005, 10:10 AM
LOL EVAN...

NO ****. I have spent the last three days welding a trailer frame that I thought would be a couple hours of work. All I have left to do is mount the bed, wire and weld the safety chains on...then fix the tailgate and mount the truck topper. My head figures 4 hours work, my brain figures probably 10 http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

A snow plow is the next project...only a 48" one though, for the lawn tractor. The one from last year has went south on me. I've just gotta find some really cheap valves for the hydraulics.

-Jacob

snowman
11-13-2005, 12:59 AM
THE TRAILER IS DONE AND GONE!

thank god

mattc
11-13-2005, 04:02 AM
so where is the snowplow? actually if you are building one for a lawn tractor I thind half of a 40 gallon water heater would make a good blade, it should be about the right weight and pre curved for you

Matt in AK

Timleech
11-13-2005, 04:50 AM
I use Taiwanese bottle jacks in that style horizontally sometimes for pushing plates into place on boats hulls. They work OK *nearly* horizontal, given a slight tilt down towards the base and with the pump *underneath*. The pump won't get oil otherwise.

HTH
Tim

sandman2234
11-13-2005, 10:40 AM
A good source for cutting edges might be from a shop that works on Graders. Grader blades are best replaced when they get partially worn, before it reaches the part that holds the hardened edge. I picked up one from a pile at Daddy's to add to my 24" diameter piece of 1/2" thick pipe, when I get around to building a snowplow.
However, living in Florida, it keeps getting pushed further down my list of things to do next.
David from jax

Evan
11-13-2005, 10:49 AM
http://vts.bc.ca/pics/fsnow.jpg

david_r
11-13-2005, 03:55 PM
Florida "snow" plow.
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/371120/2/Razorblade.jpg

sandman2234
10-15-2006, 10:02 PM
Too stiff to be a Fla snow plow. A credit card is usually all it takes.
David from jax

mochinist
10-15-2006, 10:32 PM
Nice bump

Whatever happened to 3 phase, he used to post on here all the time?

tattoomike68
10-15-2006, 10:47 PM
Nice bump

Whatever happened to 3 phase, he used to post on here all the time?

He has his own board. http://www.bbssystem.com/ he made a nice doonbuggie and is working on a 2 seater now. Hes still doing all kinds of stuff.

Bumping old threads does not hurt anything on this type of board , on a "current events" board it would be anoying. ;)

CCWKen
10-15-2006, 10:51 PM
He never got the answers he wanted so he built his own site. Metally Retarded or something like that. :eek:

tattoomike68
10-15-2006, 11:08 PM
He never got the answers he wanted so he built his own site. Metally Retarded or something like that. :eek:


no, wrong answer.

mochinist
10-15-2006, 11:28 PM
He has his own board. http://www.bbssystem.com/ he made a nice doonbuggie and is working on a 2 seater now. Hes still doing all kinds of stuff.

Bumping old threads does not hurt anything on this type of board , on a "current events" board it would be anoying. ;)cool I forgot all about that site. Also I wasnt really chastizing him about the bump, it was just a surprise to see this thread.

mochinist
10-15-2006, 11:30 PM
He never got the answers he wanted so he built his own site. Metally Retarded or something like that. :eek:Always seemed like a smart guy to me, the problem was he new it and that tended to rub some of the guys the wrong way I think...

IOWOLF
10-16-2006, 05:34 AM
cool I forgot all about that site. Also I wasnt really chastizing him about the bump, it was just a surprise to see this thread.

Almost made me sick to see it.Like a bad penny.

BTW, I wonder if his plow stood up all winter,Never mind ,No I don,t.

speedsport
10-16-2006, 06:42 AM
Adrian is basically a jerk who does not like constructive critisism, even when it's in his best interest.

IOWOLF
10-16-2006, 05:59 PM
Ya THink?????

lane
10-16-2006, 09:22 PM
I`m glad it dont snow here .too cold to shovel snow

Millman
10-16-2006, 11:16 PM
Someone bumped up the F-I-N-E-S-T thread in history. Winter is coming, so I NEEDED this **** again! Maybe I'll start my own forum.

IOWOLF
10-17-2006, 05:36 AM
Is that like ...Taking your toys and going home? Millman. LOL

speedsport
10-17-2006, 09:57 AM
"start my own forum", then you can ban anyone who calls you out on your mistakes, now who would do that?

plastikosmd
10-17-2006, 11:13 AM
duplicate...

plastikosmd
10-17-2006, 11:17 AM
maybe so, but it has turned out to be a nice board. good info, good people (Mr Cofer has taught me a great deal about some CNC projects of mine), and thank god...a "for sale section" (no supposed conflit with a magazine, be it real or imagined)
scott

PS if i must clarify, this comment is directed at the BBS board, not members here, there, and previous bad blood between individuals

IOWOLF
10-17-2006, 11:36 AM
David was here first. He was brain washed or Bribed and left us. ;)

plastikosmd
10-17-2006, 11:45 AM
that is true, and i am much newer to this board than both you and david, so you have some history on me. alas to be a newbie
scott

BobWarfield
10-17-2006, 02:00 PM
A lot of people have left this board at one time or another, and usually not the ones who were overly ornery to deal with. Many of them just never came back.

I never found 3PhaseLightbulb or David Coffer to be at all ornery to deal with, but some folks sure dished a lot of needless grief out to them. They were absolutely civil until some smart aleck went over the top with their BS needless comments and criticisms. The pity is that both of those guys worked on a lot of projects and added a lot to the forum. The ornery fellas that drove 'em out posted a lot less of value.

Sincerely,

BW

IOWOLF
10-17-2006, 02:09 PM
Check the archives, 3PH delt his share of crap without provocation.

ulav8r
10-18-2006, 10:28 AM
I never felt David said anything undue, enjoyed having him here, and wish he would come back to stay. I read daily but don't post too often, I am here to learn, not teach.

Your Old Dog
10-18-2006, 11:10 AM
A lot of people have left this board at one time or another, and usually not the ones who were overly ornery to deal with. Many of them just never came back.

I never found 3PhaseLightbulb or David Coffer to be at all ornery to deal with, but some folks sure dished a lot of needless grief out to them. They were absolutely civil until some smart aleck went over the top with their BS needless comments and criticisms. The pity is that both of those guys worked on a lot of projects and added a lot to the forum. The ornery fellas that drove 'em out posted a lot less of value.

Sincerely,

BW

Correct-0-mondo. That's about how I saw it. And I watched as 3Phase tried to lighten up only to have flames blown back in his face. I've said it before, some folks on this board give you energy and some take it away from you.

IOWOLF
10-18-2006, 12:34 PM
Oh yea lik this....
http://www.homeshopmachinist.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=18703&highlight=IO****

mochinist
10-18-2006, 06:02 PM
Oh yea lik this....
http://www.homeshopmachinist.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=18703&highlight=IO****
Oh cmon Iowolf, you know that was funny.

IOWOLF
10-18-2006, 06:25 PM
Sure,FuQ2,mo