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There is a lot of stuff about these on the web in various places.
I know a few guys who have these, they are called the X3 over here
Quite a few have been converted to CNC, some have had the initial gear train replaced by tooth belt drive for quietness and I have seen one direct driven from a large DC motor and variable speed control.
They seem a good machine once a few niggles have been ironed out.
Sir John.
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Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.
This is the latest version for sale here in Australia. It has a few extra features which I like, Spindle speed and Quill depth readout, a forward and reverse button for tapping.
The price converts to around $1500.00 US.
Could be cheaper in countries where there is a bit more competition.
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Probably save 200$ if you email Sieg directly and have them ship you one. If you order say 10 of them and lots of accessories, the Sieg President will probably want to come visit you. Atleast he did with my friend in Norway.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by QSIMDO: I did finally get a chance to Google about the X3 and you're right. Ton of stuff.
I think I like Lathemaster's bigger machine though.
Thanks for your interest.</font>
Lathemaster's bigger machine???????
An X3 is an X3 no matter who you buy it from, they ALL come out of the one factory in China, no matter who's brand is on it.
The picture of the X3 from Lathemaster's site is a good 'un, they got a shot of an X3 with the camera down near the table height of the X3, the lens is slightly pointing upwards, giving it an appearance of a larger machine, bloody good trick photography, makes a mountain out of a mole hill.
'they ALL come out of the one factory in China, no matter who's brand is on it.'
Here we go again!
In China, even if all of a product comes out of the same factory they're not all the same machine for the different brands.
Compare the Grizzly, Harbor Freight, Micro Mark, Homier, etc. mini-lathes and mini-mills out of the Sieg plant. They're made with different bearings, motor controllers, motors, accessories, levels of finish, etc. BIG differences between the machines.
Coming out of the same factory means next to nothing. The factories will make changes to meet each customer's (Grizzly, Harbor Freight, etc.) requirements.
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He also has some short videos. I have also read a pdf file about the mill provided by John Stevenson?? Finally, Model Engineers Workshop has some articles on the mill.
I would like to own this mill! - Would be my first milling machine and would encourage me to learn more stuff. Does anyone know of a Canadian importer, or want to do a bulk buy? Buy Canadian EH?
Pablo
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pgmrdan: 'they ALL come out of the one factory in China, no matter who's brand is on it.'
Here we go again!
In China, even if all of a product comes out of the same factory they're not all the same machine for the different brands.
Compare the Grizzly, Harbor Freight, Micro Mark, Homier, etc. mini-lathes and mini-mills out of the Sieg plant. They're made with different bearings, motor controllers, motors, accessories, levels of finish, etc. BIG differences between the machines.
Coming out of the same factory means next to nothing. The factories will make changes to meet each customer's (Grizzly, Harbor Freight, etc.) requirements.
[This message has been edited by pgmrdan (edited 12-03-2005).]</font>
Dan, I beg to differ. I went to Tech Teachers school where I saw his two HF Mini Mills, they looked and felt just as good as any of the higher priced ones and with an R8 taper. Don't compare the floor models in HF to what you will get!!
Now I will say this about Micro Mark. My 7x14 mini lathe I put up on ebay for a local pickup only. I COULD NOT BELIEVE the interest I got from that thing! So the micro marks with all their additional useless features in the long run help out big time in the resale department.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by radish1us: Lathemaster's bigger machine???????
An X3 is an X3 no matter who you buy it from, they ALL come out of the one factory in China, no matter who's brand is on it.
The picture of the X3 from Lathemaster's site is a good 'un, they got a shot of an X3 with the camera down near the table height of the X3, the lens is slightly pointing upwards, giving it an appearance of a larger machine, bloody good trick photography, makes a mountain out of a mole hill.
regards radish</font>
You didn't look far enough there, Quickdraw.
THIS one...
Dan, perhaps the individual companies that import them do better jobs than others on their QC's and send back the bad ones while others sell them anyhow. With my own emails to Sieg, it seams the main things you specify are Inch or metric, 240 50hz or 120 60 hz and what style plug.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pgmrdan: 'they ALL come out of the one factory in China, no matter who's brand is on it.'
Here we go again!
In China, even if all of a product comes out of the same factory they're not all the same machine for the different brands.
Compare the Grizzly, Harbor Freight, Micro Mark, Homier, etc. mini-lathes and mini-mills out of the Sieg plant. They're made with different bearings, motor controllers, motors, accessories, levels of finish, etc. BIG differences between the machines.
Coming out of the same factory means next to nothing. The factories will make changes to meet each customer's (Grizzly, Harbor Freight, etc.) requirements.
[This message has been edited by pgmrdan (edited 12-03-2005).]</font>
If you believe that, then I think that you still believe that the tooth fairy lives down the back garden.
Show me irrefutable proof that the X3 is not the same machine, no matter who's brand is on it, or what colour it has been painted.
This machine is made by Seig industries of China and why should they go to any bother to change anything, other than the spindle so it can take either a morse # 3 or an R 8 spindle for ease of fitting tooling.
The major importers/wholesalers who bring them in, are what dictates the price of these machines, the more they buy the cheaper it is per unit, that is the only difference, the pricing.
If you read carefully, all the specs on all the different brands, do the conversions correctly from metric to imperial, or vice-versa, you will find that they are the identical machine, no matter who's brand is on them.
As for different bearings in different brands, why stock twenty different bearings when one size does the job perfectly well, much easier to hold one size than twenty of them. The same goes for the spindle, other than the internals, morse 3 or R 8, gears are the same as well. The castings are all identical, the tables are as well.
So please show me the subtle differences that are built into these mills????????
No 'here say' or 'conjecture', just proof positive that they aren't the same machines.
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