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3 Phase Lightbulb
12-26-2005, 06:17 PM
I'm almost done with the snow plow. I have to build a mount for my truck, attach the A-frame to the mount, and wire up the lifting winch.

I have two 1.25" .120" wall square tubes welded to the plow's ribs which provide additional strength and also provides the mounts for the long-rams (Notice they angle upwards so the pump always gets oil).

http://www.bbssystem.com/snowplow/plowc1.jpg

Here is the geometry when I released the lock on one side, and pumped the other side to tilt the blade. If I lock both and pump both (or unlock both) I can also change the vertical angle of the plow blade +/- around 10 deg.

http://www.bbssystem.com/snowplow/plowc2.jpg

-Adrian

rockrat
12-26-2005, 08:35 PM
You will never ever get another flake of snow in your area ever again! Kinda like buying a new telescope, only clouds will be around from then on in.

Looks cool. Let us know how it works. Even if we have to wait 10 years or so for it to snow there again. D:

rock-

BillH
12-26-2005, 08:40 PM
Looks nice, I just hope you dont hit a big rock with it. Actually, IT would be interesting to see how it holds up to hitting a big rock.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-26-2005, 08:48 PM
I'm not sure when I'm going to get to try it out.. Almost all of the snow is gone. In fact, it was raining all day and I think I even heard thunder earlier.. I think it was around 50 deg outside yesturday and today.. With all of the steel I have now, I could really make this thing bullet proof but I think it's over done for what I'm going to use it for anyway.

-Adrian

BillH
12-26-2005, 08:55 PM
Hmm, Id weld some sheet on those arms holding the blade ahead, they will buckle if you hit something hard.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-26-2005, 09:04 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BillH:
Hmm, Id weld some sheet on those arms holding the blade ahead, they will buckle if you hit something hard.</font>

I'll wait and see if they fold.. If they do fold I can quickly remove/straighten/re-enforce them.. Those are rear axle struts from a 1996 Camero Z28. If something breaks, those struts would be the easiest to fix/replace.

-Adrian

CCWKen
12-26-2005, 09:32 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Those are rear axle struts from a 1996 Camero Z28.</font>

Then they'll just rust away. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Looks pretty cool but those arms are made for tension stresses not compression stresses. ... Stay away from rocks. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif

Dawai
12-26-2005, 09:38 PM
I see you guys buried in snow, I feel for you. I have been all over this country, I like it best here.

On the other side? when it snows here the locals go crazy, run up to a stop sign slam on the brakes, slide right through it, jerking on the steering wheel like that is going to help.

My wife mentioned she knows how to drive in the snow, I reminded her the people here don't.. Even if you can drive, being hit with a 3 ton SUV will knock you a flip.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-26-2005, 10:12 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CCWKen:
Then they'll just rust away. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Looks pretty cool but those arms are made for tension stresses not compression stresses. ... Stay away from rocks. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif</font>

They are designed for both. I cut the diag strut (#6 in diagram) in half (keeps the rear axle from shifting from side to side using both compression and tension), and I used two lower control arms (#8 in diagram) which compress when accelerating and have tension when braking.. Are you sure you're a car guy? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/rearend.gif

Rustybolt
12-27-2005, 01:30 AM
Throw a coat of paint on that thing Adrain. A good two part epoxy will help it last the season.

IOWOLF
12-27-2005, 05:31 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rustybolt:
Throw a coat of paint on that thing Adrain. A good two part epoxy will help it last the season.</font>

It might even hold it together better, Watch those rocks.


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Your Old Dog
12-27-2005, 06:11 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CCWKen:
Stay away from rocks. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif</font>

ROFLAMO as they say! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

edited to add: I could have sworn that originally read "Sway away from rocks." Or do they have Freudian slips in reading as well? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif


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3 Phase Lightbulb
12-27-2005, 09:27 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rustybolt:
Throw a coat of paint on that thing Adrain. A good two part epoxy will help it last the season.</font>

Actually I do need to buy some paint for the Buggy. I could practice the application on my snow plow.. Is there any specific product(s) you could suggest?

-Adrian

topct
12-27-2005, 09:48 AM
Again I get to ask the question. As far a epoxy paint has anyone used this stuff on anything?

http://www.nelsonhobby.com/

They sell a water based epoxy. I think for the HSM it might be something to look at as spraying any other kind of epoxy seems to involve certain safety procedures to keep from killing or poisoning oneself.

They say it's good for up to 40% nitro if an additive is used.

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Dawai
12-27-2005, 10:50 AM
SPRAYING EPOXY one time can destroy your lungs.

Don't be cheap, buy a quality respirator. Overspray can be a problem you didn't see coming too. MY BUDDIES destroyed about 5,000 in flash by painting my tattoo shop door orange and black. The painter in the group denies even being present.. NOW.. He was proud of it the day after. My eyes watered I was so mad.

Powdercoat? It will outlast everything, problem is nobody has a oven large enough unless you track down a "industrial chain line". It is a plastic-polyester coating that seals the metal.

All the new automotive paints, the base is "soft" and the clear coat is hard. Once you wear the top coat off it goes to metal rapidly. SO, I don't suggest them.

Want a powdercoat oven that rolls up, insulated curtains for walls? I'd do the first one for cost to prove my design.

G.A. Ewen
12-27-2005, 10:56 AM
3 Phase,

Your workmanship is excellent but,,,,, your design will give you problems. I'm not trying to be a wet blanket. It is just that I would hate to see all that nice work destroyed when you hit something that is frozen solid.

Snow plows like yours need to be hinged on the bottom with strong springs that go from the A frame to the top of the blade. When you hit something solid the blade flips forward and jumps over the obstruction.

Save your blade, save your truck frame, put some springs and a hinge.

Dawai
12-27-2005, 11:16 AM
Yeah, that ice can be as tough as a rock. I remember backing out in a 65 nova, hitting the "low ice wall" that came from the snowplow. Destroying the rear bumper and pan on the car. I had shoveled the drive and road access, then the snowplow came by. Hell, I was out of beer I had to get out to the store.

Pictures of "working designs" help us all envision how. ebay usually has snow plows and 4wds cheap, not this time of year thou.

Evan
12-27-2005, 11:17 AM
I already showed Adrian that aspect of my blade design. It's up to him and as long as he sticks strictly to his paved driveway and doesn't hit an ice ridge or something it should be OK. However, I flip the blade on mine on a regular basis...

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/blade1.jpg

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-27-2005, 11:24 AM
It's designed for the light duty job that I'll be using it for: Pushing snow off my private 100' blacktop driveway. It's also designed to be quickly built. If my snow blower takes me 30 minutes to clear the driveway, and my plow takes me 40 minutes, I still win because I'm inside my truck listening to to radio instead of outside getting snow drifts in the face for 30 minutes.

For the record, my driveway does not have any land mines, bolders, tar pits, trees or stumps. If there are sections with ice that might catch the blade I can drive as slow as I want over those areas, or simply drag the blade backwards if it's really bad.

-Adrian

Dawai
12-27-2005, 11:32 AM
&lt;quote&gt;For the record, my driveway does not have any land mines, bolders, tar pits, trees or stumps. -Adrian &lt;end quote&gt;

Ha.. ya kill me..

You got me thinking I want a "snow plow" on the front of my one ton. Imagine how the rednecks will get out of my way as I bump them in the rear.. I used to want a "cross tie"..

Do you think the neighbors will "leave you alone?" They will be there "begging"

Evan, I love that old 4wd.. I got one here but.. it ain't a real 4wd, needs lockers. I had a jeep w.posi's front and rear. Hard to tolerate anything less once you have had a real one.

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IOWOLF
12-27-2005, 12:22 PM
Lets not beat a dead horse, let him find out for himself.

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aboard_epsilon
12-27-2005, 01:54 PM
waiting in anticipation for the movie.Adrian
all the best..mark

CCWKen
12-27-2005, 02:14 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">...I used two lower control arms (#8 in diagram) which compress when accelerating and have tension when braking..

Are you sure you're a car guy?</font>

Actually, it's the other way around. Car guy? Heck NO! All I need to do is take them apart, paint 'em and put 'em back together. When something is missing, I find it or make it. I don't need to know all that fixn' stuff. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Besides, them new-fangled cars are just a fad. Ain't no need fur books 'n stuff. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif

Evan
12-27-2005, 02:36 PM
"Evan, I love that old 4wd.. I got one here but.. it ain't a real 4wd, needs lockers. I had a jeep w.posi's front and rear. Hard to tolerate anything less once you have had a real one."

David,

I have "real" 4WD on my '88 Ford Ranger with lockers front and rear. A few years back that came in real handy. We had a friend from Germany visiting along with my cousin and we decided to take a tour over the Yanks Peak Trail. This is how the miners originally got to Barkerville during the gold rush.

That trail goes up the side of a mountain on a road that a Hummer can't make, they're too wide. It has numerous switchbacks were you have to back and fill 6 times to get around for the next climb. At one place we had to climb a rock wall at about a 30 degree angle. Not all that high, maybe fifty feet. It was full of big boulders sticking out. Our German friend bailed from my truck with the excuse he wanted to take pictures. Yeah, right.

I got about half way up that wall and suddenly found myself balanced on a left front and right rear wheel. The lockers kicked in and I made the rest no problem. Get sideways on that bugger and it will be thumpity thump thumpity thump thump thump...

The Land Rover didn't have hubs from the factory. However, Warn hubs are a bolt on and I have them. However however, the needle bearings in the hubs are shot and since I don't use it on the road I just leave them locked all the time.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-27-2005, 04:07 PM
I just finished designing and building the mount system for my truck. Now I just have to wait for some snow. I'll take some pictures of it mounted on the truck tomorrow.

IOWOLF, you're a Fecal Pickle. You couldn't build an ice cream scoop if your life depended on it.

-Adrian

rsr911
12-27-2005, 04:23 PM
Evan,

My buddies offroad only farm truck is a real hoot. Full time 4wd with a spool in the rear and welded spiders up from. Transfer case locks in low as well. I watched him pull a high-centered dozer out of a brine pit once, mmmmn big block Ford power.... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif That truck will go anywhere BUT dry pavement!

Evan
12-27-2005, 04:26 PM
Heh. I pull stumps with the Rover. It only has about 50 hp but in low range the total drive ratio is 55 to one.

hoffman
12-27-2005, 04:28 PM
I'm from Georgia and I'm a city boy but I have some friends who are farmers and they grow stuff like cotton and corn. Never heard of snow...

I've noticed a lot of you guys build snow plows around this time of the year but I never see any pictures of any kind of harvest.

I think the problem may be those weird looking plows and the fact that you plant in the middle of winter... But like I said, I'm a city boy...

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-27-2005, 04:32 PM
My Dodge Ram HD V10 in 4x4 LOW Locks front and rear difs and the transfer case so it's like driving a tank. All 4 wheels turn or nothing turns.

If I do find a tree in my driveway, I'll just throw it in 4x4 LOW and up root it.

-Adrian

Evan
12-27-2005, 04:33 PM
Here ya go Hoffman, harvest in progress...

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/rsnow1.jpg

Ya have to use it pretty quick, it only keeps six months or so.

hoffman
12-27-2005, 04:40 PM
Makes my nuts shrivel just looking at it...

IOWOLF
12-27-2005, 04:44 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 3 Phase Lightbulb:
I just finished designing and building the mount system for my truck. Now I just have to wait for some snow. I'll take some pictures of it mounted on the truck tomorrow.

IOWOLF, you're a Fecal Pickle. You couldn't build an ice cream scoop if your life depended on it.

-Adrian</font>

Don't need an Ice scream scoop,I need a pooper scooper for your BS.
Make that a Dump truck.

Hey, LOOK at ME , look what I did.

How much Money can you throw at a problem before it goes away

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-27-2005, 05:00 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IOWOLF:
Don't need an Ice scream scoop,I need a pooper scooper for your BS.</font>

Either an Ice scream scoop, or a pooper scooper would be a challenge for you to build.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IOWOLF:
Hey, LOOK at ME , look what I did.</font>

What have you done? What's stopping you from doing something?


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IOWOLF:
How much Money can you throw at a problem before it goes away</font>

I'm guessing it would cost me about $5 to make you go away..

IOWOLF
12-27-2005, 05:17 PM
"Originally posted by IOWOLF:
Hey, LOOK at ME , look what I did.
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What have you done? What's stopping you from doing something? "
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I do plenty,I don't show off all I do,Not enough time to Do that.But I can.


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hoffman
12-27-2005, 05:19 PM
I don't do much of nothin' xept look at the internet...

Why don't you 2 homos just get along or get engaged http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

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Deep Sea Tool Salvage

IOWOLF
12-27-2005, 05:21 PM
"Originally posted by IOWOLF:
How much Money can you throw at a problem before it goes away
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I'm guessing it would cost me about $5 to make you go away.."
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Even You don't have the Bucks to Make me go away,But, Hey, Make me an Offer I cant refuse.
Better yet go to your own BBs and show off I won't bother you over there.


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The tame Wolf !

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-27-2005, 05:45 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IOWOLF:
Make me an Offer I cant refuse.</font>

I already made an extremely generous offer above and beyond what I feel your contributions(?) are worth here. Just like the real world, you have to earn it.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IOWOLF:
Better yet go to your own BBs and show off I won't bother you over there.</font>

That's because...

http://www.bbssystem.com/banned.jpg

-Adrian

IOWOLF
12-27-2005, 05:55 PM
What ever.
Blah,Blah,Blah.
You just cant stand being wrong.

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CCWKen
12-27-2005, 06:34 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Evan:
Here ya go Hoffman, harvest in progress...

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/rsnow1.jpg

Ya have to use it pretty quick, it only keeps six months or so.</font>

Yikes! Was that picture taken recently?
We just broke a record down here today. 82 at the airport, 85 here. We're about to break another record--The driest year since 1956!

Evan
12-27-2005, 06:41 PM
That's every year here although at this moment we are breaking records for warm weather. It was -20 a week ago and then it warmed up and rained. It's supposed to stay warm for the next week, just around freezing or a little below. It will likely go to normal next month, -20 or -30.

Your Old Dog
12-27-2005, 06:51 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Evan:
Heh. I pull stumps with the Rover. It only has about 50 hp but in low range the total drive ratio is 55 to one.</font>

Damn near trashed mine pulling out a cemented in the ground clothsline pole. I took a real low hookup using a 40 foot "Snatch'em Strap", ran the strap straight up in the air and over a temporary 4x4 piece of lumber about 3 feet long and then took off down the driveway. The idea was the 4x4 lumber would cause the cemented pipe to be lifted more/less straight up into the air. I had no idea just how much stretch my "Snatch'em Strap" had in it. The damn thing came out of the ground and in sling shot fashion was headed right for the rear of my truck. I could see it in the sideview mirror like slow motion! Like a jerk I stopped instead of try to stay out of the way !! It landed just a few feet from my bumper. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif I learned a lot about how "Snatch'em Straps" work that day.

Evan, scrap the shoes you got on your plow and get the round ones. I did and now I have virtually no digging in of my gravel/dirt drive like it I did with the Meyers style. Mine were the cheap duty ones at $15.00 each. My drive looks great now without all the tearing up from the shoes. Meyers shoes might work fine for blacktop but are useless on dirt/gravel AND grass. Got mine set for 1" Unlike you, I don't have a damn road grader on hand so I have to depend on the plow to help groom the drive http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif



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Evan
12-27-2005, 06:58 PM
I never had any problem with the skis digging in. They are spring loaded and I set the spring tension so the blade just floats barely over the ground. The tension is set by winding a nyloc on the top of the bolt on each ski. I designed the skis so that if the blade tips forward the front of the ski comes up from the ground instead of digging in.

No graders around here but if I suck the skis up then the blade digs in just fine for grading the drive each spring.

Your Old Dog
12-27-2005, 09:07 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Evan:
I never had any problem with the skis digging in. They are spring loaded and I set the spring tension so the blade just floats barely over the ground. The tension is set by winding a nyloc on the top of the bolt on each ski. I designed the skis so that if the blade tips forward the front of the ski comes up from the ground instead of digging in.

No graders around here but if I suck the skis up then the blade digs in just fine for grading the drive each spring.</font>

Glad to hear your's are working. Mine kept getting sideways to the direction of travel and digging in. I do a lot of back dragging. The set I have (the old Meyer's ones) do allow for the blade to trip without digging in once they are straightend out.

I thought that was you that built the grader for your drive? Or did you do that with smoke and mirriors and photoshop? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

japcas
12-27-2005, 09:25 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 3 Phase Lightbulb:
[B]My Dodge Ram HD V10 in 4x4 LOW Locks front and rear difs and the transfer case so it's like driving a tank. All 4 wheels turn or nothing turns.

What kind of differential lockers did you put in your truck? Those trucks don't come stock with them.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-27-2005, 09:29 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by japcas:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 3 Phase Lightbulb:
[B]My Dodge Ram HD V10 in 4x4 LOW Locks front and rear difs and the transfer case so it's like driving a tank. All 4 wheels turn or nothing turns.

What kind of differential lockers did you put in your truck? Those trucks don't come stock with them.

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I guess they do come stock with them because I certainly didn't install them and I custom ordered the truck new. It's a 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 HD 4x4 (V10).

-Adrian

japcas
12-27-2005, 09:34 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 3 Phase Lightbulb:
[B] I guess they do come stock with them because I certainly didn't install them and I custom ordered the truck new. It's a 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 HD 4x4 (V10).

Dodge may have installed a limited slip in the rear from the factory but they never offered a locker in the front axle on these later model trucks.

Dan Craig
12-27-2005, 09:35 PM
just keep salt away from the aluminum on that plow. I don't know about other chemicals, but salt and aluminum don't mix...being where I am here on the beach you can't get away from the salt.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-27-2005, 09:45 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by japcas:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 3 Phase Lightbulb:
[B] I guess they do come stock with them because I certainly didn't install them and I custom ordered the truck new. It's a 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 HD 4x4 (V10).

Dodge may have installed a limited slip in the rear from the factory but they never offered a locker in the front axle on these later model trucks.

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I did order the LSD but I think your right. When I'm in 4x4 LO I get massive binding in the front and it certainly feels like its locked so I'm now wondering why.

-Adrian

JRouche
12-27-2005, 09:49 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 3 Phase Lightbulb:
My Dodge Ram HD V10 in 4x4 LOW Locks front and rear difs and the transfer case so it's like driving a tank. All 4 wheels turn or nothing turns.
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My Toyota 4 runner is the same. In high 4x4 I can drive at 80 down the freeway. In low its like a tank. The tires (all four) scrub going through a turn. No visable locking wheel hubs but there is no slip. JRouche



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charlie coghill
12-27-2005, 09:54 PM
Here is mine morning Jan 1, 2005.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/kcprecision/NewYearsDay2005pic1.jpg

The truck lost oil pressure last Wed. I purchased a new oil pump and installed it Sat. now it has oil pressure.

japcas
12-27-2005, 09:57 PM
My chevy is kind of in the same boat as the dodge trucks except it has independant front suspension. It uses a front axle disconnect just like the dodges do disconnect one side of the axle from the differential. If you put a locker in there that doesn't unlock like an air locker does or an electric locker, it would be impossible to turn the truck even in two wheel drive because both front wheels would turn at the same speed. Tire life would be horrible. The ford 3/4 and 1 ton trucks with lockout hubs can use a full time locker because the hubs disengage the wheels from the inboard axles, thus eliminating the binding the locker causes.

Michael Az
12-27-2005, 11:43 PM
I did order the LSD but I think your right. When I'm in 4x4 LO I get massive binding in the front and it certainly feels like its locked so I'm now wondering why.

-Adrian
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The big Dodge trucks that come with Dana limited slip differentals need an addative now and then to help the clutchs work and stop the crabbing. Just about any auto parts carrys it. My little Dodge puts out over 800 ft lbs of torque so I added a switch "its on the shift knob" and did a little work to be able to disengage the front axle when in four wheel drive when desired.
Michael
http://myweb.cableone.net/michaelaz/shifter2.jpg



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