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torker
01-28-2006, 02:28 PM
Hey guys...well we finally did it...drug the old girl to town and plunked it down in my buddies shop.
We'd sure like to find a manual for this ol' girl...any ideas?
It's a McDougall, made in Galt, Ontario.
26" swing and will turn 80" between centers.
This thing is cool!
The tailstock weighs as much as my ol' SB9C http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
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Russ

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Mcgyver
01-28-2006, 02:41 PM
what a beast, what are your ideas for a drive? how'd ya move it? sorry no manual, actually think that’s the first McDougall I’ve knowingly seen

speedy
01-28-2006, 03:15 PM
Holly Molley Torker, you managed to find the limited edition yellow model ! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

She`s a beauty alright; good and solid; plenty of mass. Sorry I am unable to help with a manual either.
Ken

TECHSHOP
01-28-2006, 03:29 PM
If I only had the room, money, time, I'd want "THAT" http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif

But then I'll get beat up for running an "import".

Sorry no info/manual. Will look at my "haunts"

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Today I will gladly share my experience and advice, for there no sweeter words than "I told you so."

Millman
01-28-2006, 03:38 PM
Used to love those olde dinosaurs, repair work is better and easier. Looks like a dead center on the ways in front of the tailstock; Looks rather small! Have no idea about a manual, though. Wish I had that project and you had a feather up your...........Just kidding! Know what year she was born??

torker
01-28-2006, 03:58 PM
I'm still in love! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
It weighs about 6700 pounds.
Loaded it on a 5 ton with a big loader then unloaded it with a 12,000 pound overhead and a forklift(all my buddies...I hate him!)
GA Ewen has a smaller McDougall...only other one I've seen (only pics)
I have no idea when it was made. There are no serial numbers...that we've found yet.
Millman...you're right. The dead center is in an adapter and is too smallish.
It appears that the yellow is the factory color...matches all the race cars I've ever built http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Mike...we're going to power it with 4 V belts running on the middle flat pulley and mount a hydraulic motor (10 hp) on it. Very compact setup.
A fellow here has a big ol' 25 ft lathe that was flat drive. He mounted a 10 hp hydro motor to it and it works beautifully.
His is a 4 ft swing. He's turned some pretty mighty stuff with it.
We have the other even bigger turning lathe that's going to be rescued come spring. Too bad it's not in the good condition this one is.
I might mount my blown alky motor to the big guy http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Russ

Evan
01-28-2006, 04:49 PM
That kinda looks like the SB9 on way too many steroids, especially the headstock. Cool.

torker
01-28-2006, 07:26 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Evan:
That kinda looks like the SB9 on way too many steroids, especially the headstock. Cool.</font>
Haha...yup...some REALY big steroids!
Sure not the biggest lathe around but it's a good solid piece.
It spent a lot of it's life in a sawmill in Revelstoke, BC.
Did mostly repair work. It's actually in very nice shape except someone broke off a couple of handles (I'm thinking loading it with a forklift).
Everything moves on it but it has a lot of grit in everything from sitting idle for so long.
We want to take it all apart and clean it before anything gets moved anymore.
Hmmm...This is the lathe that the old guy is helping us with....the one who swears you don't need way oil. I really don't want him around with that idea but he knows a lot about these old things and has been a huge help already.
Russ

aametalmaster
01-28-2006, 08:52 PM
Lathe UK dosen't even list them. Check with Tony there...Bob http://www.lathes.co.uk/page21.html

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Bob Wright
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Dawai
01-28-2006, 09:23 PM
Apron, quick-change, controls, headstock looks like the cinncinatti I have here.

A lot like it. My cinnci has a flat belt up to a 4 speed gearbox, tied to a 5hp motor.

It is "SOOOO heavy"".. It fell over and took out the end wall here. I was moving it to the back wall.

I tried to give mine away. Now I think I might hook it up again.. You can chuck a car rim into it to split, weld, polish it.

torker
01-28-2006, 10:45 PM
David...That's sorta what I'm hoping...that someone else made the lathe and it only had McDougalls name on it. The name is cast into the base pedestals so it could be made by a larger company.
You got any handy pics of your ol' Cinnci?
Russ

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Evan
01-28-2006, 11:08 PM
I've been doing some snooping on the net. It seems that there was a McDougall company in Galt, Ontario. They are long gone but there are a number of their lathes still around. I found one at an auction site:

"McDougall 24" x 72" gap bed engine lathe, 7-282 rpm, 24" 4- jaw chuck, tool post, tailstock, quick change threading, 1 ½" through spindle hole, coolant system "

No other info or pic. Some other references indicate they made lineshaft lathes in the early 1900s.

rsr911
01-28-2006, 11:36 PM
You're gonna love it! Ever since I got my 20x70" Polamco I've all but given up on my little Logan. Mines got 20HP but then again it does 1800RPM on the top end which is great for doing long small aluminum work. Just wait til you dig a positive rake insert 0.400" into some stock and make some "clinky" blue chips!

I almost bought a 24x120" Lodge & Shipley from that era but it was in poor shape compared to the Polamco and topped out around 300 RPM.

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torker
01-28-2006, 11:37 PM
Evan...well that's a start! Thanks!
I'm sure there will be no parts for this thing if it was made by a defunct company but it's a good ol' solid machine. Would be a damn shame to see it scrapped.
I have to fix a broken tooth on the back gear...that I can do.
Time will tell.
Russ

torker
01-29-2006, 12:32 AM
Christian...this lathe tops out around 350 rpm as I understand it.
I don't care. I have a pretty good handle on JT's wicked HSS tool grinding. I can't wait to try this ol' girl!
My lil' 1`/4 hp SB9C would peel off .125 DOC with this tool grind. I want to see what this can do.
I'm betting I can do .500 DOC http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Russ

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rsr911
01-29-2006, 03:17 AM
Just for clarity, by 0.400" I meant per side or 0.800 total. Anyway yeah that big lathe should do 0.500 with a 1" HSS tool. I know mine will do more with the carbide inserts, in fact it will probably do the whole depth of the insert. I haven't played with it enough to get the chips right at deeper cuts, I'm real comfortable between 0.200-0.400" on the radius with CR and HR. I need to get the coolant trays back in place on mine, those big chips are HOT! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

On of the big reasons I wanted this lathe was the DOC. I do a lot of stuff for work involving solid rolls with 1-1.5" shafts on the ends and 4-8" OD. My Logan didn't like much more than 0.100" per pass with a light feed, the big lathe is much faster with it's deeper cut and heavier feed. Only problem I've had so far is pushing the feed too fast and pushing the part into the chuck away from the tailstock. I think that's mainly because I'm still getting used to the big 4-jaw. The screws are so course compared to a little 4-jaw that it takes me longer to dial in the stock and I don't always get it as tight as I should. I'm hoping next week to pick up some 6x18" drops so I can experiment more.

If your top speed is 350 make sure you gear it so you're at full motor torque at that speed. I'm interested to hear about the hydraulic motor, how are you gonna power the pump?

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-Christian D. Sokolowski

wierdscience
01-29-2006, 10:19 AM
Good God man!That mustard yellow hurts my eyes! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif Get some stripper on it quick!

Good looking machine there Russ,bout 1900-1910 me thinks.Back then everybody that had a foundry and a machineshop built lathes,still finding them here with names nobody ever heard of.

BTW,just as a suggestion,screw the HIGHWAY DEPT YELLOW paint,a couple gallon Dark Grey would look nice,or dare I say it a nice shade of GREEEEEN http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

torker
01-29-2006, 10:34 AM
Darin, I was wondering if it was from that far back! I'm wondering how much copying went on back then?
It could be a copy of another machine that could be a parts source. We THINK there could be a change gear missing but haven't got into it that far yet. It'll be a cool project to make a gear if we need it. Good excuse to bid on those large gear cutters I see on Fleabay from time to time. You ...ummm...don't like yellow? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Hmmm, grey might be awful nice though.
Wayne wants to paint it white...yuk...a dentists lathe??? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
Christian, Thanks for the info.
We have a nice three phase power pack setup that used to run some kind of huge washing machine. It's almost brand new, cost over $5000 new. The machine it was meant for had a major malfunction and had to be scrapped so Wayne took the hydro unit off it.
We're basically copying the setup the other guy has on his big lathe.
This motor has the same power output but our pump setup is far better.
It has a cooler unit built in for the oil that kicks in when it starts to get too hot.
Russ

Dawai
01-29-2006, 11:08 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/ibewgypsie/39.jpg

Only picture I could find.. it is covered with junk at the moment, but the apron is the same down to the knobs for clutch dogs. Quick change is the same..

Try searching for a Cinncinatti manual, if you can find one online email me..

DO you have tooling? chucks? Mine sat outside for years, the tailstock is so stuck. I hammered on it till it smelled hot. I was making a press out of a jack to free it up.. but other projects called.

Dawai
01-29-2006, 11:13 AM
There is a lever locking into the head gears on the left end.. Took me a day to find the darn thing. I thought this lathe was locked up solid. AND them knob-clutch dogs on the travel feeds.. yeah not exactly like the leblond for sure.

I am not a machinist, thou I try. I am learning.

This big lathe, around here, on this board was worthless. The junk man eyeballed the weight.. I gave him the shaper.. He talked about dragging out the cinncinatti.. shame, it runs.. Just as a car wheel bander, a driveshaft maker, a flywheel surfacer, a...

THINK ON THIS: metal spinning... if you do nothing else.. baby moons, headlights, etc.. it takes nothing but a hoe handle as tooling against a post on the rest. A custom cut mandrel right there on the lathe. Can be stacked plywood or metal if you prefer.

Then this civil war renactor wanted me to cut a mortar on this lathe.. The tail stock is still stuck.. so?? I could make a steady rest I guess? build a drill mount for the carriage. I priced it for three weeks. He paled and left.

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