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gunsmith
04-16-2006, 07:41 PM
Here goes with the old tractor and photobucket again????

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/gunsmith7/DSC00167.jpg

tattoomike68
04-16-2006, 07:47 PM
Thats a cool old tractor. Hook a chain on it and drag it out of the trees for a better look.


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/gunsmith7/DSC00167.jpg

gunsmith
04-16-2006, 07:47 PM
Well I did it. The last post with the photo is how I found my last project. She had been abandoned since the 70's in the bush. A friend new she was there and took me to the location. As soon as I seen it I new it was worth restoring. I even new what model it was. Any guess? I will post a few more photos showing the restoration. Thanks for all the help getting me on line with photos. It was ORGASMIC when it finaly happened.

Mike Burdick
04-16-2006, 07:58 PM
Hmmm...when I saw the picture my first thought was that it is a Ford 9N Jubilee.

gunsmith
04-16-2006, 08:11 PM
Good guess Mike! Part right, it is a Ford. When I seen it for the first time I could not believe those grouser were still on it after all these years. They were in perfect condition. I had never seen this type before and no one had removed them to another machine.

vdisney
04-16-2006, 08:19 PM
Unless I'm missing something, it is overhead valve. That should put it a little later than the early 9 N's. Not an expert at ID's, but have worked on many of em. Let us know what year and model.

Mike Burdick
04-16-2006, 08:20 PM
...those grouser were still on it after all these years. They were in perfect condition....
Grousers? I presume you are talking about what's wrapped around the rear tires? What are they used for...explain a little more? I have never seen anything like them...at least not here in the west!

HWooldridge
04-16-2006, 08:58 PM
8N's had running boards and I think that's what this tractor is.

Grousers are what they call those cross pieces on caterpillar tracks. I don't know where the term originated but it appears to be almost universal.

TECHSHOP
04-16-2006, 09:12 PM
grouser is a complainer in Brit army slang.

I know it is also an "extension" (make the track wider) on a tracked vehicle's track to lower the ground pressure, and help it move in deep mud, snow, and on ice. I don't have any idea if word went from the person to a machine, or the other way around. But "breaking track" in the cold rain and mud, is only one of several reasons that a young soldier will complain about.

wierdscience
04-16-2006, 09:55 PM
Dexta gas burner,love the cleats.Did you have the hood too,or did you have to pay an arm and a leg to get one?

notillr
04-16-2006, 11:38 PM
I didn't know there was a Dexta gas. Was there also a Fordson Major gas?

One thing the wraps are used for is brush cutting wicked ground to keep from stobbing the tires.

dhammer
04-17-2006, 12:23 AM
I've always called those "grousers" rice tracks, perhaps because they were used in rice paddies for flotation and traction. I had an old JD A with rice tracks.. really worked good in the swamp. I once worked on a farm in Norway where the tractors had that type of track, the tractors had hydraulic bogey wheels to keep the track tight.

IOWOLF
04-17-2006, 04:36 AM
"Ford 9N Jubliee."?

Explain how you got that name they are Years apart.

IIRC 1949= 9n, 1952=2n , 1958 =8n First one w.floorboards,not aftermarket. Jubilee came later.

I knew after I posted I was off 10 years or so.

Fortyseven2n
04-17-2006, 09:48 AM
Actually it is 1939 -1941 = 9N , 1942-1947 = 2N , Late 1947 thru 1952= 8N , 1953 - 1954 = NAA , 1955 + into the Hundred Series.

My guess would be that it is either an NAA or Hundred series.

Could be Arps tracks but am not sure because there does not seem to be idler wheels.

You may want to post a pic at ytmag.com on the Ford board and see what those guys say.

Most parts you need to get it running are still available.

Good Luck !!
Fortyseven2n

greywynd
04-17-2006, 10:48 AM
I'm thinking it's the 800 series Ford, I don't recall ever seeing a 600 series with the 'sheild' from the fan in front of the distributor. Depending on year, I'm going to guess a 840 (or 841) or possibly and 850 (or 851).

The main differences being sheetmetal, it's really hard to see that in your pics <grin> The x40/x41 vs. x50/x51 series was determined by tranny, the first having the 4 speed tranny, the second having the 5 speed. Again a little hard to see from the angle of your pic.

Mark

Mike Burdick
04-17-2006, 02:45 PM
Iowolf,

Hmmm...guess you were right about the Jubilee not being a 9N. From the following link it was an 8N with only changes to the hydraulic control to conform to settlement of Ferguson lawsuit.

http://www.ssbtractor.com/features/Ford_NAA.jpg


http://www.ssbtractor.com/features/Ford_tractors.html

You will need to scroll down a bit.

IOWOLF
04-17-2006, 02:51 PM
The changes were to the tinwork also(no medalion). among other things

Fortyseven2n
04-17-2006, 03:01 PM
A big change from the 8N to the Jubilee ( NAA ) was the switch from the flathead engine to the overhead valve "Red Tiger" engine.

IOWOLF
04-17-2006, 03:04 PM
For once I was being nice. ;)

gunsmith
04-17-2006, 08:08 PM
It is a 1953 Ford Golden Jubilee. The tracks are original from the dealer. If they are a Ford product, I'm not sure. It has 321hrs on the engine. The reason for that is because the original owner had a brother who was a great mechanic. We all know one of them. I will thank him for ever for being so good. He dismantaled the engine one winter to figure out why at -35 in the dead of winter the tractor would not start. The fact it was 6volts just over 6 to one on the compression and icy cold gas would never have occured to him. In the process he lost one of the lifters. He did what any good mechanic would do and welded another inch on the pushrod. Then dropping it on the cam they headed for the woods. By the time they got about a mile from the main road the tractor quit for ever. This is were they left it for 35 years when I found it. In the process of dismantaling the engine I found the welded push rod and the groove in the cam. As far as body goes, there was none. http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/gunsmith7/DSC00087.jpg metal

gunsmith
04-17-2006, 08:18 PM
No such luck. I had to find all the body metal. Since it was a valuable tractor if restored to original I made up my minde of find vintage tin. In the end I found it all. I located it from a small outport town in Newfoundland to a farmer in Texas. I had to settle on some pretty rough parts but I new I could restore them to original given some time. http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/gunsmith7/DSC00287.jpg

charlie coghill
04-17-2006, 09:46 PM
Gunsmith guess you better get out the english wheel and learn to use it.:D

wierdscience
04-18-2006, 12:53 AM
Dang it,I was thinking Jubilee,I'm rusty on the in between years.I know the 9n,2n,8n tractors and the Majors(I have a Super Major diesel),but am kinda fuzz on the Jubilee,NAA,600,800 etc.

Gunsmith,sheetmetal is always the trouble with tractors.I have an Allis Chalmers B model that I am waiting to restore until I can find some for it,only thing I have is the gas tank.

gunsmith
04-18-2006, 08:08 PM
Here is the finished product. I worked her all this winter and she never failed to start. Maybe because I kept her in the barn and converted her 6v to 12v. No english wheel just lots of body metal strategicly removed from an old Ford half ton to give me the right curves. http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/gunsmith7/DSC00212.jpg

charlie coghill
04-18-2006, 09:08 PM
Gunsmith, very nice job.

japcas
04-18-2006, 09:40 PM
Great looking job gunsmith. Got any more pictures from different angles?

speedsport
04-18-2006, 09:55 PM
It should be againist the law for some people to have access to any tools beyond a screwdriver, and that should only be used to stab themselves so they bleed to death before they F*** something up.

DancingBear
04-18-2006, 10:21 PM
Gunsmith,
Bravo! Well done!

Walt

greywynd
04-19-2006, 02:06 AM
Here is the finished product. I worked her all this winter and she never failed to start. Maybe because I kept her in the barn and converted her 6v to 12v. http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/gunsmith7/DSC00212.jpg

Got to admit, the finished product looks good, you did a great job restoring it!!

As far as it starting, I'd say the barn kept part did more than anything. I have a 540 offset that has a 10 year old battery, parked outside, and starts every time, genarlly every 2-3 days (in Ontario winters!!) Now, it is still 6 volt, not 12, so I should get at least another 2-3 years out of the battery. :)

Mark

gunsmith
04-19-2006, 08:22 PM
Japcas: I'm sending you this one to check out the loader bucket on the back. See if you can identify the product it came from.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/gunsmith7/DSC00107.jpg

Wirecutter
04-20-2006, 02:42 PM
It should be againist the law for some people to have access to any tools beyond a screwdriver, and that should only be used to stab themselves so they bleed to death before they F*** something up.
:confused:

Non sequitur? Actually a pretty funny comment if its intent was irony.

gunsmith - nice work. I find it hard to believe that the finished product was once that rusty thing under the tree. Wait, was that a ringer or something? Is it really the same machine? :D

Clearly a job by someone that loves his tractors.

-M

edit : Oh, never mind. You were talking about the welded-in lifter replacement. Got it.

gunsmith
04-20-2006, 08:34 PM
Wirecutter: Thank you and all for the compliments and Wire, here is the "ringer".
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/gunsmith7/DSC00094.jpg