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John Stevenson
04-26-2006, 04:53 PM
So I'm looking at one of these metal etching kits and found this web site.
http://www.etch-o-matic.com/EOM.html

Look down and their mid range kit is $199.99 less shipping, that's £112 UKP so I ring them up and ask if they ship to the UK.
The nice lady replies "Oh we have a UK agent, Mastergrave in the UK "
Thank the nice lady and look for Mastergrave's site.
Find it here
http://www.mastergrave.co.uk/catalogue/browse.php?product_Category_ID=136

And the same kit is £220 UKP plus VAT making it £258.50 UKP [less shipping again although there's also VAT on this :( ]

That's $461 for an item that started out at $199.99

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IOWOLF
04-26-2006, 04:58 PM
For a "C" note I'll buy you one and send it to ya. ;)

Ries
04-26-2006, 05:10 PM
Seems like everything that costs a buck over here costs a pound over there.

Evan
04-26-2006, 05:15 PM
Hmm. Caswell Canada sells the Etch-O-Matic starter kit here for $109 Cdn. Same kit in UK is £89.95 or about $180 Cdn. However, the same kit in the US is about $80 Cdn so we are being ripped too although we don't have to bend over quite so long.

Alguy
04-26-2006, 06:06 PM
John perhaps you could negotiate with Wolf might save a few quid

Alistair Hosie
04-26-2006, 06:11 PM
Petrol has just broken throught the pound barrier a litre here with four and a half litres + per uk gallon thats according to my record £4.50 +a gallon about £7.00US

Tel
04-26-2006, 06:22 PM
just hit $1.50/litre here, we ain't far behind you

John Stevenson
04-26-2006, 06:38 PM
John perhaps you could negotiate with Wolf might save a few quid

That's the route I will go by having it shipped over.
I have many friends in the US I have met via the internet and we ship parts back and forward.
I have a friend in AZ who I ship books to from Abebooks and when he gets a M bag full he ships to me.
Paying isn't a problem as we often gets people paying for parts in $$cash so we just send this, it save any changing surcharges etc.

Although I participate on a few groups I do a lot of email around the world on CNC and CAD/CAM support issues and because of the internet the world isn't as big as it was.

Some of you may have heard or read the page, Shopswarf, put up by Tom Martin in NZ, Tom is currently in the UK doing the rounds and he called in last Friday for a good natter.

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IOWOLF
04-26-2006, 06:45 PM
Whats a "Natter"?








Nuttin' Whats a Natter Wit' You?

John Stevenson
04-26-2006, 06:51 PM
Whats a "Natter"?

Partake of a conversation

Allan Waterfall
04-26-2006, 06:52 PM
Whats a "Natter"?



A man that makes "Natts"

Allan

Leigh
04-26-2006, 06:56 PM
just hit $1.50/litre here, we ain't far behind you
Interesting. But since we don't know where you are, it's a meaningless statement.

Leigh
04-26-2006, 06:58 PM
...That's $461 for an item that started out at $199.99.
Hi John,

Have someone buy a kit here, etch something with it, then ship it to you.
At that point it's a used item, not subject to VAT, import duties, or other such encumberances.

Evan
04-26-2006, 07:02 PM
definition: natter

chew the fat: talk socially without exchanging too much information. Generally used to describe the conversation of old biddies but may also be applied to men.

:D

John Stevenson
04-26-2006, 07:16 PM
No that's the Canadian definition.
UK natter is more like palaver :D

Tel
04-26-2006, 07:38 PM
Interesting. But since we don't know where you are, it's a meaningless statement.

Geez Leigh, you must be the only bloke in the world (and closer planets) that don't know where I am. ORSTRAYIA mate. ;-)

Milacron of PM
04-26-2006, 08:35 PM
FWIW, if you want a more elaborate etching kit, I have a more professional setup from Marking Methods that I bought brand new a few years ago and never used. Below is a link to the same kit recently sold on eBay except mine is new and with the more modern thick plastic case. Would sell mine for $325.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MARKING-METHODS-ELECTRO-CHEMICAL-MARKING-SPECIALIST_W0QQitemZ7607448322QQcategoryZ104239QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

BillH
04-27-2006, 12:21 AM
It is a small world, I sent half my mini lathe tooling to a friend in Norway who payed hansomely for it. He still saved LOTS of money, and I made more than I would of if I had put it on ebay!

Rich Carlstedt
04-27-2006, 12:31 AM
Years ago John (1990~?) I was in Seven Oaks England at a plant and they had all their machinery running on VFD's
The maker was Jaguar as I recall and the price was less than 100 pounds for a 1 HP unit.
I called them to buy one and they said NO..I was a US citizen.
So i said "Can i represent you in the US(the home shop indstry would have loved a VFD that didn't cost your arm".
They said we have a Rep in the US..call them.
When i got home I did and guess what...600 bucks and it was their VFD..and they didn't even recognise the Jaguar name..go figure..it works both ways I guess

Rich
Lord of cold chips
Green Bay Wisconsin

Leigh
04-27-2006, 01:25 AM
Geez Leigh, you must be the only bloke in the world (and closer planets) that don't know where I am. ORSTRAYIA mate. ;-)
Oh. OK. I thought prices were lower down there 'cause they're upside down :D

Alistair Hosie
04-27-2006, 05:41 AM
I am surprised I had 2 jaguar invertors and the price here was very high so when you were offered a unit albeit 1 hp that was very cheap old chap:DAlistair

Your Old Dog
04-27-2006, 09:48 AM
I used a very similar product some 20 years ago as a knifemake. It sucked. The image was very ratty and not clear and sharp despite repeated efforts to get it to look right. I would not reccomend it to anyone. As for the black images in the original post, I suspect they are Photoshopped in there as the font does not appear to follow the curvature of the socket. Just my opinion.

Rich Carlstedt
04-27-2006, 02:19 PM
Alistair
Well the ratio was 4 to one in price ----USA to UK
at that time
The company felt so bad, they gave me a old unit.
It now runs my shaper..right!-- a VFD on a shaper.
In 2000, we saw a dramatic drop in VFD prices, when competition
opened the door. I bought a 5 HP VFD Name Brand Japan made
in 2002 for 285 bucks
Rich

madman
04-27-2006, 02:31 PM
Hm can you etch aluminumn with it. ive used the steel etch in the aircraft shop. I used it to mark my measuring tools. Had a ribbon you set up in typeewriter and type name then tape transfer onto tool. Nice job it did.

bpsbtoolman
04-27-2006, 06:04 PM
As a GI in London on furlough from Germany in 1945 ( WW2 for you guys that don't know) . I bought a GI overseas cap I call my pound hat, cost one pound or $ 4.00 US. Had to wire home for money to take my first love, a Welsh girlfriend to dinner. Unfortunately did not have enough since to marry her. Still love her.
Walt

Norman Atkinson
04-27-2006, 06:21 PM
Toolman.

Far away a voice is calling
Bells from memory chime
Come home again, come home again
They call through oceans of time
We'll keep a welcome in the hillsides
We'll keep a welcome in dales
This land you knew will still be singing when you come home again to Wales
This land of song will keep a welcome
And with a love which never fails
We'll kiss away each hour of hiraeth
When you come home again to Wales

All together now!

DADDY

speedy
04-27-2006, 08:08 PM
just hit $1.50/litre here, we ain't far behind you

Third increase in two weeks. We are now looking at $1.71/l regular, $1.76/l super. Thanks Georgie boy!:rolleyes:

Now where is my old Raleigh?
Ken ( in Helengrad)

quasi
04-28-2006, 06:45 PM
Doesn't Britan and the rest of the E.U. have massive dutys on non european imports?

Peter N
04-29-2006, 04:01 AM
I can't speak for the rest of the EU, but if this item was classified as a 'printer' under the customs coding then import duty to bring this in to the UK from the USA would be 2.4%.
Of course we then have to pay VAT (purchase tax) of 17.5% on top of that wherever we get it from, either Europe or the USA. Businesses can claim this back but individuals can't.

I think that there are some silly tit-for-tat tariffs where there is a trade dispute or protectionism going on at either end but this seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

Customs agents (wherever they may be) do need to be schooled in a bit of common sense and free thought though. About 15 years ago I was regularly flying into Newark while I was developing a medical device for Becton-****inson in Franklin Lakes, NJ.

Towards the end of the project I came over with a box of 50 final production level sample parts for a validation test. I got hauled through the coals by a customs guy for bringing these in, despite showing him all the documentary evidence of what they were and what they were for, he insisted that I couldn't bring them them in as I might go on to illegally sell them.
He decided that the only way he would let me through with them was to scratch a big 'X' on them with his penknife and write all over them with an indelible marker 'not for resale'.
Next time we shipped them DHL the day before we flew.

Peter

Edited to add:
Oops! the swear-filter has wrong footed the post again!. ****inson should be D i c k inson

Leigh
04-29-2006, 10:44 PM
Of course we then have to pay VAT (purchase tax) of 17.5% on top of that wherever we get it from, either Europe or the USA. Businesses can claim this back but individuals can't.
OK. So your gov has dumped a 17.5% tax on the general populace but exempted businesses from paying it. Sounds like you need to have a long (short) talk with your elected officials.

John Stevenson
04-30-2006, 05:48 AM
OK. So your gov has dumped a 17.5% tax on the general populace but exempted businesses from paying it. Sounds like you need to have a long (short) talk with your elected officials.

No matter what country you are in the result of the long [short] talk will be the same :mad:

Timleech
04-30-2006, 06:04 AM
OK. So your gov has dumped a 17.5% tax on the general populace but exempted businesses from paying it. Sounds like you need to have a long (short) talk with your elected officials.

It doesn't really work like that. I bill my customers an extra 17.5% which I collect on behalf of the government, but when I pay that tax to the govt at the end of each quarter I can deduct the VAT that I've paid on items for business use. If I simply buy something & resell it at a markup, the govt gets the tax at the marked-up price, but it only gets the tax once.

There are all sorts of oddities, I do some work on commercial barges, & for some reason these are VAT exempt. If I sell the owners an item for their barges, I have to charge them VAT. If I fit the same item to a barge, I don't charge VAT although I've paid it.

Tim

Leigh
04-30-2006, 12:24 PM
No matter what country you are in the result of the long [short] talk will be the same :mad:
I fear that's all too true :eek:

Duct Taper
04-30-2006, 02:00 PM
And I say it doesn't make any sense at all to tax businesses for anything. Businesses are simply job creators and should be encouraged. Taxes, unreasonable rules, unreasonable environmental laws, etc. are disincentives for people wanting to go into business.

I know a lot of single person businesses who would love to have one or two employees to help out but don't hire simply because of all the extra red tape and the taxes for workmen's compensation and unemployment compensation. In the US those programs are paid for by all the employers, not the general taxpayer.

Been there, done that, will NEVER have another employee again!

Passing the tax on to the workers spreads out the burden and makes it easier for the business to create more jobs, no matter what you hear to the contrary.

Stick
04-30-2006, 02:39 PM
We Canadians get screwed on stuff like this all the time. There are a type of motorcycle jeans made with Kevlar, called Draggin' Jeans. They're made in Australia, and imported here for about the same as what they retail for in Australia. BUT.....they sell for less than half that in the US! Where's the logic in that?