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Evan
05-02-2006, 06:17 PM
$180,000 for a windshield...

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/raptor.jpg

Complete story here. (http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/04/25/Navigation/177/204883/Pictures+Pilot+trapped+for+5h+in+cockpit+of+USAF%2 7s+new+$135m+F-22A+Raptor+after+canopy.html)

He could have ejected...

Mcgyver
05-02-2006, 07:35 PM
overkill. three guys with the $22,000 chainsaw when one guy with the $900 hammer would have done the trick :)

Evan
05-02-2006, 07:48 PM
Hah. Look at the pics on the site. That polycarbonate looks like it is 3/4" thick. That would probably stop a .50 cal

Wayne02
05-02-2006, 08:03 PM
http://62.189.48.33/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=12360

"Why Me?"

"Turn that F'ing camera off!"

"When I get out of here I'm going to... !"

"Damn engineers, why do I aways have to be the test monkey?"

speedy
05-02-2006, 08:31 PM
$180,000 for a windshield...He could have ejected...

That would have been a case of premature ejectation?..:eek:

Ken

tattoomike68
05-02-2006, 10:04 PM
http://62.189.48.33/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=12360


He kind of looks like the president. http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/snoopdog6502/biglaugha.gif

wierdscience
05-02-2006, 11:34 PM
Lowest bidder strikes again:D

madman
05-03-2006, 01:32 PM
Why didnt he just go manual override eject hit the explosive canopy bolts and walk away. Hm with guys like this protecting our skies it could get dicy in the future.

Rustybolt
05-03-2006, 06:21 PM
Well. At least he saved the plane. Something tells me the canopy is a lot cheaper than a whole aircraft.


As for looking like our president, flying f104s has got to be dead easy.

plastikosmd
05-03-2006, 06:32 PM
"Why didnt he just go manual override eject hit the explosive canopy bolts and walk away. Hm with guys like this protecting our skies it could get dicy in the future"


a grounded jet one with an unknown canopy malfunction? Canopy jettison, canopy breakers and a 0/0 seat I'm sure it was discussed and the safer of the 2 alternatives was chosen, I'm sure he is well qualifed to "protect our skies"

http://wwwsam.brooks.af.mil/af/files/fsguide/HTML/Chapter_17.html

Tin Falcon
05-03-2006, 06:43 PM
Man what a mess. Those firemen realy did a butcher job. I would say replacing the canopy is the easy part. I would not want to be the one to remove all that FOD from the cockpit. They should have called the guys from the fabrication shop.I think they would have been much neater.

TIN FALCON

Tinkerer
05-03-2006, 07:01 PM
http://62.189.48.33/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=12360


He kind of looks like the president. http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/snoopdog6502/biglaugha.gif
Operator: Hello... BlondeStar how may we help you?

Caller: YES! BlondeStar... Umm yes I'm locked inside a plane can you help?

Operator: 1st... Stay calm. So you are locked inside the plane. Is it on the ground?

Caller: Yes it's on the ground and I can't get out the bubble is locked and won't open HELP!

Operator: Sir BlodesStar has sent a team to help... and a Photographer Ha ha ha.

:D

wierdscience
05-04-2006, 12:33 AM
Why didnt he just go manual override eject hit the explosive canopy bolts and walk away. Hm with guys like this protecting our skies it could get dicy in the future.



Those planes are like cars,most times windshields are cheaper than seats:D

Also I was once told that the pilot is the single most expensive part in a fighter jet,it's why they install ejector seats:D

HTRN
05-04-2006, 01:19 AM
The Canopy costs $182,000 dollars. The canopy is the largest piece of polycarbonate formed in the world with the largest Zone 1 (highest quality) optics for compatibility with helmet-mounted systems.


HTRN

Peter N
05-04-2006, 03:06 AM
HRTN, I think it may be a little bit more than just Polycarbonate, and I would guess it is a laminate of Acrylic/Polycarbonate/Acrylic. It probably has some ITO & Gold coating on it from looking at the tint in the pictures.

Abut 10 years my company in the UK was working with a company in Dallas on an entirely different project, and they were making these canopies for the F-16 and F-4 (did I get those numbers right?).
I got to visit over there a couple of times and it's a very interesting process to get it optically good enough to use in these applications. If you're interested I could write up a short description of how they do it.

Peter

Jim Caudill
05-04-2006, 03:14 AM
As for looking like our president, flying f104s has got to be dead easy.[/QUOTE]

Actually the Air National Guard unit that Bush was assigned to flew F-102's and he probably has very little time in that aircraft and even less time as a solo pilot. His total military flight time is aprox 336 hours with probably 200 or so being the average amount just to get your wings (flying the T-37 & T-38). After graduating from pilot training (where you earn your wings), he would have gone to some type of "fighter lead-in" training resulting in another 50 or so hours (usually in a T-38B). Next he would start transition training in a 2 seat version of the F-102, that could have lasted another 50 or so hours. We also know his final flying assignment was in the T-33 which was used as a target for practice intercepts. Again, he would have had to have some minimum amount of training in order to transition to the T-33. A little arithmatic would demonstrate that the president flew very little without an instructor accompanying him.

By the way, I was an instructor in Del Rio Texas from 1981 thru 1984 and attended USAF pilot training there in 1978.

thistle
05-04-2006, 10:01 AM
Future history of combat will read-
we suffered heavy losses-
3 canopies were scratched costing 500billion,
one plane got a dent,750 billion,
2 pilots got stuck,one had to go in the cock pit ,the 80000 billion bilge pump malfuntioned
and the whole unit got put on sensitivity training and suspended for a month because the the pilot called the plane a filthy oar,
the war was suspended for amonth until sensitivity training was over ,the enemy sued for breach of contract and lost earnings,and of course harbour freight didnt have any replacement parts available for the planes........

BillH
05-04-2006, 02:29 PM
The fact he is sitting in a F22 means he is very well qualified. I sure as hell would like to try one out.

HTRN
05-04-2006, 04:54 PM
HRTN, I think it may be a little bit more than just Polycarbonate, and I would guess it is a laminate of Acrylic/Polycarbonate/Acrylic. It probably has some ITO & Gold coating on it from looking at the tint in the pictures.

Abut 10 years my company in the UK was working with a company in Dallas on an entirely different project, and they were making these canopies for the F-16 and F-4 (did I get those numbers right?).
I got to visit over there a couple of times and it's a very interesting process to get it optically good enough to use in these applications. If you're interested I could write up a short description of how they do it.

Peter

Everything I've read so far indicates it's a monlithic piece of Polycarbonate, made by Sierracin Sylmar Corp. BTW, one of the teething problems of the F-22 is the ongoing cracking problem of the canopy. Considering the size of the bubble, it is not entirely surprising.

Link (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-cockpit.htm)


HTRN