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Alistair Hosie
05-30-2006, 05:19 PM
I recently bought a nice linishing machine and was impressed with the simplicity of the design. So much so, that I would like to make another with a different size of belt. Does anyone here have drawings plans or could steer me in the right direction for plans to make one.I am particularly interested in the wheels and the tracking design and the belt tensioning,as the rest is pretty standard anyone made one I would like to see it please Alistair

Tin Falcon
05-30-2006, 05:55 PM
Oh a belt sander why didnt you say so.


http://hometown.aol.com/lughaid/sander.gif

Tin

Alistair Hosie
05-30-2006, 06:05 PM
tin very nice I like that , a lot of detail as I am no expert but those look good any more ideas guys .Alistair

Gator
05-30-2006, 09:50 PM
Tin,
I live 19 miles from where this sander was/is made and had never heard of it.

I am going to check into the sander to see if they are still made in Chickasha, Okla.
Looks like something I might be interested in.

Thanks.
Larry

Tin Falcon
05-31-2006, 08:12 AM
Gator: That came from Micheal Horgans web site.many of the plans are from the '30s looking forward to hearing comany history.

http://hometown.aol.com/lughaid/
tin

Gator
05-31-2006, 11:43 AM
Tin,
Now you've got my curiosity up and I have to investigate the sander.
There is a Jack M. Weaver with that address and phone number still listed in the phonebook.
I am currently working in Oklahoma City and will not be home until Thursday, but I will call the telephone number tomorrow (Holidays you know) and see if J.M. Weaver still resides there. I am hoping he does.

Thanks.
Larry

Tin Falcon
05-31-2006, 01:25 PM
Gator:
was noticed the base is speced for MDF I think that is a relativly modern material. And if the address and number match. Let us know what you find out.

BadDog
05-31-2006, 03:42 PM
Take a look at the Beaumont KMG (http://65.108.254.151/index.html). I've been gathering bits to build one somewhat based on that design with an extra stone spindle (or 2). Click on the links for the platen design and others to see different configs. The platen style is most similar to my plans...

Alistair Hosie
05-31-2006, 04:08 PM
Bad dog that's a fantastic site well done plenty to get ideas from there .Can anytone tell me if the belts can be shortened I have a belt 2" by about twelve feet long .I have a linisher which takes about a ten foot belt but these belts I got are very good but about sixteen inches too long.They are made in germany and are good quality belts but I need to shorten them for my belt sander linisher .They are joined by a small strip of sticky clear plastic webbing very short can this be heated and redone otherwise I will try to make a piece of webbing and use contact adhesive regards Alistair

Chester
05-31-2006, 04:44 PM
Here are some other ideas for belt sanders:

http://www.freewebs.com/cochraneareahomeshopmetalworkers/jmcpherson.htm

http://www.freewebs.com/cochraneareahomeshopmetalworkers/rmuttart.htm

http://members.cox.net/cdfellows/shoptools.htm

Tin Falcon
05-31-2006, 04:58 PM
again was not trying to be a wise guy. I guess you need to decide what approach is right for you. I know the home shop guy usualy has to be frugal. I also know from experience thay the design& engieering phase of a project can eat up lots of time. Even when you have a set of good plans that you are trying to modify. I worked in R&D /product development for a yacht builder it is rewarding but a lot of work. So I guess you need to decide if you want to pay the price for someone elses engineering work or the time to figure it out yourself.

Well the wife is serving up fish and "Chips" so need to go.
Regards Tin Falcon

Swarf North
05-31-2006, 10:13 PM
http://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=2717

I don't know if the plans are worth the $50.00. Maybe the drawing is helpful.

SN

Alistair Hosie
06-01-2006, 03:32 AM
First off the guy should tell the truth who in their right mind would pay over a thousand dollars for such a simply designed machine? And who would pay for the design fifty bucks ?,when the picture tellls all.Sheeesh these guys get me mad Alistair

BobWarfield
06-01-2006, 10:02 AM
...who in their right mind would pay over a thousand dollars for such a simply designed machine? And who would pay for the design fifty bucks ?,when the picture tellls all.

Oh, I don't know. This set of plans doesn't look that much "simpler" than the Beaumont KMG mentioned earlier that does cost around $1000. And $50 doesn't seem all that much to pay for pages of plans that someone has presumably sweated a lot of work into. LMS is a good outfit, they're not trying to rip anyone off.

After all, some folks would just design their own machine, some would beg for free information or copy others, some would like a well thought out design that they could execute, and some just want to a kit or finished machine.

If'n you were to ask me, I'd say the Beaumont guys are closer to the rip off, but I also know how much work it would be to build one of those machines and actually make a living selling them.

One of these would sure be easy to build too:

http://www.grizzly.com/products/G1015/images

Beggars can't be choosers in the end of the day...

BW

HTRN
06-01-2006, 05:48 PM
First off the guy should tell the truth who in their right mind would pay over a thousand dollars for such a simply designed machine? And who would pay for the design fifty bucks ?,when the picture tellls all.Sheeesh these guys get me mad Alistair

Alistair, it appears to be basically an simple, open version of the Wilton Platen Grinder (http://www.vansantent.com/Grinding_Sanding/Wilton_SquareWheel.htm). Knife makers love them. Think about it, how many places have the time AND capability to build what they need? When you start figuring shop time at $50+, suddenly $1300 doesn't seem like a whole lot, especially when you can write off capital equipment.

BTW, The book $50 Knife shop (http://www.knifeworld.com/50knifeshop.html) has a bunch of designs for belt grinders, along with what is one of the smallest forges I've ever seen - uses a hole bored into a firebrick.


HTRN

Fasttrack
06-01-2006, 06:52 PM
Well i finally got around to checking this thread out - i was curious what exactly a belt linisher was ... "Oh a belt sander why didnt you say so."

ah ha! and, whats more, i have thought about cobbling one up myself. Turns out this has been a very intriguing thread :D You've inspired another project i think... thanks!

Tin Falcon
06-01-2006, 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by Alistair Hosie

"recently bought a nice linishing machine and was impressed with the simplicity of the design. So much so, that I would like to make another with a different size of belt."
Originally Posted by Alistair Hosie
..".who in their right mind would pay over a thousand dollars for such a simply designed machine? And who would pay for the design fifty bucks ?,when the picture tellls all."

Alistair: not trying to be a wise guy here but, if you have a machine you like that is a "Simple" desgn. And the design is so simple that one only needs a picture why are you asking for plans intead of just copiying the one you have with the changes/modifications you want?
TIN

Alistair Hosie
06-02-2006, 05:47 AM
Tin quite simple the machine I have is all enclosed with just a few bits showing I would need to take it all apart to do that also I was interested in seeing different designs I am fascinated by the different types of linishers belt sanders as they seem like a good project to build or perhaps as in my case even modify to take different belts,hope this answers the question Alistair

Tin Falcon
06-02-2006, 06:05 PM
That explains it!!
again was not trying to be a wise guy. I guess you need to decide what approach is right for you. I know the home shop guy usualy has to be frugal. I also know from experience thay the design& engieering phase of a project can eat up lots of time. Even when you have a set of good plans that you are trying to modify. I worked in R&D /product development for a yacht builder it is rewarding but a lot of work. So I guess you need to decide if you want to pay the price for someone elses engineering work or the time to figure it out yourself.

Well the wife is serving up fish and "Chips" so need to go.
Regards Tin Falcon

Posted this a couple of days ago when the board was wacky

deker
06-03-2006, 09:43 PM
Take a look at the Beaumont KMG (http://65.108.254.151/index.html). I've been gathering bits to build one somewhat based on that design with an extra stone spindle (or 2). Click on the links for the platen design and others to see different configs. The platen style is most similar to my plans...

I built a homebrew KMG myself. I put a set of posts together detailing the build here (http://forums.dfoggknives.com/index.php?showtopic=4436). Not "plans" exactly, but it's a pretty thorough depiction of what I did to build it.

-d

TECHSHOP
06-03-2006, 09:58 PM
No connection to this company, but have seen their stuff, I think it is still Made in USA. They have a few different designs, I like the bench model, last time I checked prices about the same as the Wilton square wheel belt grinder.

http://www.stephenbader.com/

Garauld
06-03-2006, 10:09 PM
I built one myself too.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a39/Garauld/P3231165a.jpg

I copied someone else's basic design and tweaked it a bit to suit my needs. It works great - I wish I had one a long time ago. Here is the link to the thread. It has some plans on it as well.

http://www.weldingweb.com/showthread.php?t=3894&highlight=sander

IOWOLF
06-04-2006, 06:59 AM
I think if I built one I would try to make it so it will use different lengths of belts,Because no mater what you have, the belts you find on sale,or a great buy on Ebay, are the wrong size.

Your results May vary. ;)