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A.K. Boomer
06-22-2006, 09:41 PM
I got a bro who told me this puzzle, it only took me a couple minutes to figure it out so im happy cuz it took him five and another bro alot longer,

you have one room, inside the room is three light bulbs, the room is totally inclosed but there is one door,,, on the outside of the room on the wall opposite of the door hangs three light switches, all the switches are individually wired to only one light bulb and all are in the off position, you can start with being in the room or being out of it, you can open the door only once, there really isnt any tricks or any other rules except one, you can move the light switches to any position you want, but once you go to look at the bulbs you can return but you cant touch the switches...
your mission is to find out what switch goes to what bulb....

good luck weedhoppers

Evan
06-22-2006, 10:09 PM
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I didn't look it up either.

A.K. Boomer
06-22-2006, 10:13 PM
dammit evan you spoiled it for everybody else,,,,,,,,, good job,,,now figure out a way of erasing your post so someone else can have fun, ill keep this one as proof so you get credit i promise....

wierdscience
06-22-2006, 10:19 PM
That is an old one.

Okay here is another old one.

Name that device-

It was invented about 100 years ago,it was used on automobiles then and it is still used on automobiles now.It cost $.07 each then and it still costs $.07 now.Each car uses at least 5 and sometimes 8 and it only has one moving part.

What is it?

Jim Caudill
06-22-2006, 10:28 PM
schraeder valve, ie valve for inflating the tires located inside the valve stem

Millman
06-23-2006, 12:45 AM
Beer. one trip used to take 5 beers, another trip took 8 beers to get there. I don't remember it well. Those were the days!

Jim Hubbell
06-23-2006, 12:50 AM
Sorry, I don't " read that stuff ".
My answer to puzzler is ON, OFF, WARM.
Does Evan's post really translate or is it just gibberish? No offense, just wondering.

Evan
06-23-2006, 01:16 AM
It's binary. I changed it by request. You can translate it here:

http://www.paulschou.com/tools/xlate/

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 07:35 AM
schraeder valve, ie valve for inflating the tires located inside the valve stem


So whats the difference between the cars with 5 and the cars with 8 --- A/C---?

Evan
06-23-2006, 07:48 AM
So whats the difference between the cars with 5 and the cars with 8 --- A/C---?
Nope. :D :D

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/8wheels.jpg

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 07:59 AM
With spare that would make 9 :D Thats gotta be a citroen , what a mess.

Evan
06-23-2006, 08:04 AM
Who needs a spare with that? :)

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 08:14 AM
If your going to go through the trouble of jacking the car and pulling the tire off when it goes flat so the car doesnt catch on fire then i would think youd want to replace it while your at it,,,:D :D :D least i would;)

besides can you imagine throwing that pig into a left hand turn "whilst" missing your forthmost right front?

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 08:46 AM
Of all the cars iv wrenched on the old citroens have got to be one of the funniest birds out there, a maserati V6 engine and a mechanical hydraulic "brain" for thier self leveling self adjusting suspension, those cars were very wierd to drive and i didnt like them because they tried to take away the "seat of the pants" feeling that you get when you toss a car into a turn or brake hard and such, you really couldnt tell how hard you were pushing one till the tires started barking at you, you would toss one into a very hard turn and the pendulum type mechanical/hydraulic brain would imediatly adjust for no body roll, a massive pump sucked the precious ponies from the hi strung mazzer engine to get the job done......... very strange.

lynnl
06-23-2006, 09:40 AM
quote: ".... all the switches are individually wired to only one light bulb and all are in the off position, ...."

That wording implies that only one of the bulbs is wired, and the rest are just dummies.

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 10:58 AM
Thats not what i get from that but maybe i should have stated "separate" light bulbs???
Was just trying to be sure nobody thought one switch controlled more than one bulb... but yes it could have been worded better however with the last statement "your mission is to find out which switch goes to which bulb" to me that erases any confusion on the matter...

got any good ones?

Lew Hartswick
06-23-2006, 11:05 AM
Nope. :D :D

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/8wheels.jpg

HMMMM! No spares?
...lew...

Evan
06-23-2006, 11:06 AM
This one is guaranteed to generate some debate. It's the famous Monty Hall problem.



Imagine that the set of Monty Hall's game show Let's Make a Deal has three closed doors. Behind one of these doors is a car; behind the other two are goats. The contestant does not know where the car is, but Monty Hall does.
The contestant picks a door and Monty opens one of the remaining doors, one he knows doesn't hide the car. If the contestant has already chosen the correct door, Monty is equally likely to open either of the two remaining doors.
After Monty has shown a goat behind the door that he opens, the contestant is always given the option to switch doors. What is the probability of winning the car if she stays with her first choice? What if she decides to switch?

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 11:10 AM
Everybody seems to have a slightly different way of solving this --- for me i left one bulb on for five minutes and then turned another on and imediatly ran into the room and felt the two temps between the two bulbs and bulb bases that were on, the bulb that was still off was obvious...

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 11:16 AM
This one is guaranteed to generate some debate. It's the famous Monty Hall problem.

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if she decides to switch she has a 100% probability of winning the car (or else shes really stupid)

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 11:21 AM
Thats if she seen what was in her first door that is...

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 11:27 AM
Are any of them goat-cars,,, just to clairify....

ken kuban
06-23-2006, 11:30 AM
what about the valve stem covers ??????

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 11:46 AM
im sorry, You said monte and all i could think about was python and its like all the sudden a lunatic invaded my head (wouldnt be the first time),,, one more question,,, is there in ay way --- be it behind the curtains or out in the open,,, that chewing gum is being used in this deduction????

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 11:53 AM
what about the valve stem covers ??????


i may be off on this but i think they would be cheaper than $.07, and i dont think they have or would be concidered to have a moving part???

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 12:17 PM
you know i have to say this is not how my brain works and it apears to be to simple and that tells me im going to get spanked with this but dispite this fact i'll take a shot at this anyhow............
the first pic was before he got involved so im saying one in three, the second pic was after he eliminated one door and it wasnt the one with the car so i have to say 50/50,,,,, Im also aware that this is a paradox but I really dont know how to get around that...

Evan
06-23-2006, 12:32 PM
50/50 is what intuition tells us but it isn't correct.

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 12:46 PM
Is not the second pick a re-start of the odds game, is it not a clean start again?, thats maybe whats tricking me because i think it is... I can see how this can be percieved differently though...

Evan
06-23-2006, 01:09 PM
The way to figure it out is to plot the possible scenarios and the outcomes from the beginning of the game to the end. There are only three since there are only three doors.

You can't "restart" the odds in the middle because one of the players isn't operating on chance.

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 03:35 PM
I understand that one of the other players is not operating on chance ---- but,,, as soon as the one door is opened and a goat is exposed then the "new" offer put on the table is that not a re-shuffeling of the deck? and if so then arent you now dealing with just two doors and one prize? there is another tricky way of looking at it and it has to do with keeping the begining odds and figuring them into the entire equation but i have to admit im having a difficult time making my mind even go there... its a bind mender...

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 03:40 PM
But its kinda a trick question is it not? its all a 50/50 but like i stated in my very first reply --- if she decides to switch shes 100% positive its the other 50%......... does this make sence to you...

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 03:43 PM
that dint come out right, shes 100% positive the other is a 50/50?

Millman
06-23-2006, 03:47 PM
You guys are killing me, I think I'll just butcher and eat the damn goat.

Evan
06-23-2006, 03:49 PM
It isn't that difficult once you see how it must be played out. As I said, there are only three possible scenarios.




We will assume that there is a winning door and that the two remaining doors, A and B, both have goats behind them. There are three options:
The contestant first chooses the door with the car behind it. She is then shown either door A or door B, which reveals a goat. If she changes her choice of doors, she loses. If she stays with her original choice, she wins.
The contestant first chooses door A. She is then shown door B, which has a goat behind it. If she switches to the remaining door, she wins the car. Otherwise, she loses.
The contestant first chooses door B. She is then is shown door A, which has a goat behind it. If she switches to the remaining door, she wins the car. Otherwise, she loses.
If we start out with the car behind one of the other doors the outcome is still the same.

So, out of the three possible ways it can play out two of them win the car (if she switches) and one does not. If she doesn't switch she wins 1 time out of three. If she does switch she wins 2 times out of three.

It works this way because Monty must open a door and it must not contain a car.

Millman
06-23-2006, 03:54 PM
Since it has no practical use, I'll eat the goat.

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 04:05 PM
ohh ohhh --- i think i just popped one of those synapse thingies...

Millman
06-23-2006, 04:06 PM
Boomer, I know I can't wait!

wierdscience
06-23-2006, 06:32 PM
So whats the difference between the cars with 5 and the cars with 8 --- A/C---?


4 tires on the ground,1 in the trunk,1 on the a/c system and 1 possibly 2 depending on how many fuel rails on the engine.

wierdscience
06-23-2006, 06:41 PM
Nope. :D :D

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/8wheels.jpg

Damn,does the average Frog haul home that many Bridgeport mills?:D

TECHSHOP
06-23-2006, 06:53 PM
Evan:

Isn't that car from one of those Brit SciFi tv shows of the 1960's (or some "remake" for the younger ones)?

Wasn't the future grand?

Evan
06-23-2006, 08:03 PM
I'm suprised. The wheels are to support the weight of all the batteries. That is the Japanese Electric Eliica, top speed 370kmph (230mph) and zero to 60mph in 4 seconds.

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 08:30 PM
That is totally based off a citroen (french) body style,,, unbelievable perf. out of an electric...

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 08:36 PM
4 tires on the ground,1 in the trunk,1 on the a/c system and 1 possibly 2 depending on how many fuel rails on the engine.


A/C systems that iv done have at least two, one on the low press. side for charging and one on the high press. side for attaching your press. gauge to while charging, some of the compressors have an extra one on them also...

A.K. Boomer
06-23-2006, 08:45 PM
[QUOTE=Millman]Beer. one trip used to take 5 beers, another trip took 8 beers to get there. I don't remember it well.


Millman -- me and you need to get together and drink some beer, maybe even jump on the mills right after!!!

I just can tell by some of the subtle little hints that youv got beer on the mind half the time...

when you calculate trip lengths and such by beers instead of minutes ---- then --------- you just might be a redneck! (your not alone fella!)))

A.K. Boomer
06-24-2006, 10:28 AM
Ok,,, for some reason i see it very clear today, and forgive me evan but you confuse the hell out of me sometimes with the way you explain things so im going to take another shot from your explaination of ;

(If we start out with the car behind one of the other doors the outcome is still the same.

So, out of the three possible ways it can play out two of them win the car (if she switches) and one does not. If she doesn't switch she wins 1 time out of three. If she does switch she wins 2 times out of three.

It works this way because Monty must open a door and it must not contain a car.)


it works this way because there has already been a pre-determined "condensing of the odds" the two other choices apart from her first pick are now condensed into one so instead of the 50/50 like our mind first things it is, its still only a 1 in 3 if she sticks with her first choice but a 2 in 3 if she goes with the switch,,, but more importanly (and the reason im actually writing this --- and the fact that monte is kind of a genius of sorts) is the human nature of it all,,, One of our biggest disapointments is to have something already "in the bag" and then make a bad decision and end up loseing it, so human nature is to hang on to what we already have and i dont claim to know the actual specs but i bet way over the majority of people whould stick with the first chioce,,,,, very cool and also something that can quite possibly be aplied to other things in life...

did i do better or did i confuse things even more?:eek: maybe i shoulda went with door #4?

Evan
06-24-2006, 11:11 AM
I think that's a pretty good description. However, it isn't in the interest of the show for the contestants to lose. The prizes don't cost them anything as they are part of the advertising deal with the manufacturer. I would guess that the staff psychologist determined that people were more likely to switch when given the chance. This was a very cleverly designed giveaway scheme that actually gave the contestant a much greater chance to win than anybody watching realized.

Incidentally, the intuitive answer of 50/50 isn't lost entirely in the shuffle. If you alternate between not switching and switching each time the game is played the overall odds settle at 50/50.

A.K. Boomer
06-24-2006, 12:25 PM
HMMMM, very interesting, im thinking the first way though, if you think about it the car manufacturer still gets the air time with the " its a brand new chevette" and then the discription of the car and all its gadgets, they dont have to have the car "won" to have it still advertised, the auto manuf. are aware of the odds ahead of time but i believe its the lesser risk to them, since the whole idea of advertising is to get the word out with the least amount of cost then that would be the way it makes the most sense to me, plus i have to go with the human nature thing, with all the noise and confusion and fat ladies dressed in funny clothes your average person is going to imediatly think that its a 50/50 so the one thing left is thier gut feeling and everybody knows one of the greatest sorrows is letting go of a potentual precious "already in the bag" gift in exchange for a box of rocks, there's also that hidden fear in there that you just made an "effort" to make the wrong desision, were as for some reason if you dont budge from you first move you could be looked at as just being lazy or sentimental to your first pick,,,
i really dont know for sure but monte has the two ingrediants needed to manipulate the outcome, first the odds are cleverly changed without one knowing, and second be it one way or the other --- the decision in which to choose has already been manipulated due to human nature, Very cool Evan.