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Ragarsed Raglan
07-07-2006, 08:19 AM
What a happy day today is!

I have just taken a phone call from a guy who I had almost forgotten about.

The story behind this call was that a number of years ago (at least 4 years) I visited an engineering shop to sub out some low volume casting machining for a race engine. As I was in his shop discussing the job and surrounded by all the 'New Wave' CNC machinery, I looked around and noticed a lone mill up in a corner of the shop. It was obvious that it was rarely used and looked kinda sad, I asked him about it (like fishing to see if it was available), but the reply was that it was the only machine in the whole shop they could do a particular job on; and the job only came in once a year or so from Rolls Royce.

Half jokingly I said "you know that machine has my name written on the underside of the base? .... when it comes time to move it on, please let me know".

Today he let me know it's time to collect my machine....

..... a Deckel FP1 Lever model, plus all the tooling....

"How much do you want for it then?" I asked, "Fifty quid" he replied, my pulse raced, my head spun, I felt like the day the wife gave birth to my kids. I'm just going to go and pay him before he changes his mind, dies suddenly, goes bust, or comes to his senses!

Do you think it is acceptable to ask for help loading it onto a trailer for the all in price of 50quid ??

RR

Evan
07-07-2006, 08:34 AM
It sounds like if you stepped in some shıt you would find a gold sovereign stuck to your shoe.

rockrat
07-07-2006, 08:45 AM
RR, Drive in there with your trailer, the 50 quid, a few pints & a cane. Leave the pints where the working fellers can see them and then after paying for the tool, (and being wobbly on the cane) ask if someone would help an injured fellow load a machine for a pint.

Oh, and wear a mask when you steel it. :D
50 bills, wow. Congrats.

rock-

torker
07-07-2006, 08:56 AM
So what's that...about $120 Cnd?
Good score!

Charles Ping
07-07-2006, 09:20 AM
Anymore posts like this and you'll be made to leave the country again.......

Well done

Charles

John Stevenson
07-07-2006, 09:24 AM
You meant to say he's not delivering it :mad: :mad:


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thistle
07-07-2006, 10:35 AM
SIGH- when will you learn- if he says 50 offer him 5 and delivered to your shop- and he buys the beer.

Evan
07-07-2006, 10:47 AM
Details No.: 109694 Date: 07.04.2006 Quantity: 1 Type of machine: Milling machine Deckel FP1 Description: Milling machine Deckel FP1 Y.o.m. 1986. With Heidenhain TNC 113 active DRO Spindel with quill 40-2000 rpm F Feeds on xyz 5-500mm/min Fast feeds 1200mm/min XYZ 300-160-340mm Motor 1,5/1,9 KW Weight 800kg Excellent condition

Location: Netherlands Esch Price: 16500 euro



DECKEL FP 1
Funktions- und Geometrieüberholt
Maschine ist neu lackiert
Verfahrwege: X300mm; Y150mm; Z300mm
3 Achsen Digitalanzeige neu: Heidenhain ND 750
Preis ab Lager: 24000,-€



Universal Werkzeug-Fräs- und Bohrmaschine DECKEL FP1 Baujahr 1979. Digitalanzeige an X und Y Achse. Die Z Achse kan nachgerüstet werden. Bewegungsbereiche:Motorisch/v. Hand: X=290mm/300m,Y=160mm/160mm(kein mechanischer Vorschub),Z=330mm/340mm Tisch:210x600mm,Belastung max. 200kg. Drehzahlbereich:40 bis 2000U/min.
....
Die Fräsmaschine DECKEL FP1 hat wenige Betriebsstunden und ist in sehr guten Stand. Preis: VB.10000,- Euro.




Etc.
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Ragarsed Raglan
07-07-2006, 12:25 PM
My Lordy, Lordy,

This lot will have me believing in Karma, must have been the big Bumbly i saved earlier in the week from a slow death in my conservatory!

It has the spare 'fixed' table (it's fitted with the swivel and tilting and rotating universal table), a load of Deckel collets for the vert. head, arbors for the horiz., Dividing head with overarm support, complete with drive gears for spiral milling, punch milling co-ordinate table, slotting head, and bits I haven't yet worked out what they are or what they do!!

The baby is sitting outside on the trailer, but it has to go to my mates place as:-
1. There's no room in the workshop (yet!)
2. The overseas contract is looming

I know he will look after it and keep it warm and dry.

Currency conversions for 50 GBP are as follows:-
$102.44 CND
$92.00 USD
$123.08 AUS
$151.50 NZ
e71.99 Euro
and finally,
3498.16 Thai Baht!

RR

Charles Ping
07-07-2006, 12:37 PM
My Lordy, Lordy,

.....I know he will look after it and keep it warm and dry.

.....



And then move house

Charles

Ragarsed Raglan
07-07-2006, 12:50 PM
Well his family have been in the same house for nigh on 400 years, he's a farmer, so I doubt he'll move in the next 4 years!!

The likelihood is that I may move though, if the overseas contract gets extended to 2 or 3 years, then Mrs. Raglan says she is going to give up her job and come with me (wants to keep an eye on me!!). That means I've got a workshop full of stuff to either put in storage, or just seal the place up, and then rent the house out with No Access to the workshop.

RR

John Stevenson
07-07-2006, 12:52 PM
Etc.
Quote:
Details No.: 109694 Date: 07.04.2006 Quantity: 1 Type of machine: Milling machine Deckel FP1 Description: Milling machine Deckel FP1 Y.o.m. 1986. With Heidenhain TNC 113 active DRO Spindel with quill 40-2000 rpm F Feeds on xyz 5-500mm/min Fast feeds 1200mm/min XYZ 300-160-340mm Motor 1,5/1,9 KW Weight 800kg Excellent condition

Location: Netherlands Esch Price: 16500 euro


Quote:
DECKEL FP 1
Funktions- und Geometrieüberholt
Maschine ist neu lackiert
Verfahrwege: X300mm; Y150mm; Z300mm
3 Achsen Digitalanzeige neu: Heidenhain ND 750
Preis ab Lager: 24000,-€

Quote:
Universal Werkzeug-Fräs- und Bohrmaschine DECKEL FP1 Baujahr 1979. Digitalanzeige an X und Y Achse. Die Z Achse kan nachgerüstet werden. Bewegungsbereiche:Motorisch/v. Hand: X=290mm/300m,Y=160mm/160mm(kein mechanischer Vorschub),Z=330mm/340mm Tisch:210x600mm,Belastung max. 200kg. Drehzahlbereich:40 bis 2000U/min.
....
Die Fräsmaschine DECKEL FP1 hat wenige Betriebsstunden und ist in sehr guten Stand. Preis: VB.10000,- Euro.





Sorry? and your point is ?

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Evan
07-07-2006, 01:04 PM
Quite the discount.

thistle
07-07-2006, 01:29 PM
those deckel green thingies are like a disease- it starts with an FP1- thenits all the bits to go with it, then its the rare bits, then its another cuz the #1 is filled with all the rare spitral dividing optical thingies - then its an FP2 and an FP4 and then they go cnc and none of yer makes will come around any more because youve gone all fancy .......

John Stevenson
07-07-2006, 02:26 PM
Quite the discount.

That's not a discount, it's a hard won bargain ;)
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banjoallen
07-07-2006, 03:08 PM
92.00 US? All I can say is- I hate you-:D

Milacron of PM
07-07-2006, 03:16 PM
Sorry? and your point is ?

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The FP1's Evan references are irrelevant to the one he purchased as those are much rarer newer machines with no. 40 spindles and Heidenhain active readouts.

I sold what is probably the newest FP1 in the USA for $20,000 but the older lever style I wouldn't expect to get more than $3,500.

What he bought was still a fine machine but no where near as valuable as those newer ones. Typical selling price for the old lever style with MT4 spindle, starts at around $1,500 in the USA, with $2,500 to $3,500 more typical for a nice one.

Having said all that, I see some hints that he got the spiral milling attachment with it ...heck, that alone is worth as much or more than the mill itself... $3,500 if it has all the gears !!

So in spite of being an older one...with that tooling and the $92 price tag, this deal is definitely in contention for the all time Best Deckel Deal Ever Anywhere grand prize !! You should post the saga on the Deckel forum at www.practicalmachinist.com so the faithful can get properly green in more ways than one.

Peter N
07-07-2006, 03:18 PM
Can you pick my lottery numbers for me please? :D

Peter

Alistair Hosie
07-07-2006, 03:22 PM
It sounds like if you stepped in some shıt you would find a gold sovereign stuck to your shoe.
And on top of this lucky find he has me as a good friend things have never been so good for the guy :D:DAlistair

Milacron of PM
07-07-2006, 04:06 PM
Here's a lever style Deckel FP1 on eBay now

Actually I'm assuming by the min bid and general grungy looking condition that it's a lever type but the brochure he attached is showing the "second generation" dial type FP1. Can't tell for sure since he isn't showing a side view of the actual machine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/DECKEL-Universal-Tool-Milling-Machine-FP1_W0QQitemZ280005166719QQihZ018QQcategoryZ12584Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$2,000 but ya gotta come get it ! Owner was kinda slack in not mounting the vertical head for the photos.

Ragarsed Raglan
07-07-2006, 04:33 PM
Well she's sleeping peacefully with a few sheep bleats to keep her company!

The funny thing is I had almost forgotten about the original 'fish' for this machine, on a cursory glance I don't think it has not done a great deal of work, but then it has stood slightly neglected in the time between earning its keep. The suds sump was full of butt ends!

thistle:
The Aciera F3 is still close to my heart, the only advantage of the FP1 is the extra daylight twixt head and table - but even that is irrelevant now I have the 4" raiser for the F3. I also have the full quota of accessories for the F3 so no advantages there!

Sir John:
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"That's not a discount, it's a hard won bargain"
Absolutely, my sentiments as well. It took a lot of effort getting those Race engine castings machined!

Banjoallen:
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"92.00 US? All I can say is- I hate you"
Does that make us friends?

D Thomas:
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"So in spite of being an older one...with that tooling and the $92 price tag, this deal is definitely in contention for the all time Best Deckel Deal Ever Anywhere grand prize !! You should post the saga on the Deckel forum at www.practicalmachinist.com so the faithful can get properly green in more ways than one."

So would that be RAL 6010 Stagnant Pond Green, RAL 6018 Euro Green, or RAL 6024 MAHO (wash your mouth out after saying it) Green??

Peter:
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"Can you pick my lottery numbers for me please? "
Yes ~ 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,&1 Bonus ball number 99!

Alistair:
Good friends are worth more than all the money in the world - it is a rich man that can count more friends than he has fingers on one hand. Note ~ woodworkers have a distinct advantage in this!! Especially if they are not very good with a band saw.

RR

Alistair Hosie
07-07-2006, 05:35 PM
or a hungry rotweiller next door:DAlistair

matador
07-07-2006, 06:28 PM
No doubt about it RR,you're a ruddy burglar:D.
Just remember to play with her at regular intervals,they grow up so fast.Before you know it,she'll be a teenager and wanting to go out with the Boxford lathe "up the road".I'm jealous as hell:D

Wirecutter
07-07-2006, 07:32 PM
Man, some guys have the luck! You must have been Mother Theresa in a previous life or something. Let me know if you need a place to "store" any of your machinery.

-Mark

banjoallen
07-07-2006, 07:44 PM
"Banjoallen:
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"92.00 US? All I can say is- I hate you"
Does that make us friends?"

Well okay:)

Ragarsed Raglan
07-07-2006, 08:15 PM
Matador:
No ratarsed Boxfords for my little girl, got be a Schaublin 135, or Hardinge at least!

Wirecutter:
Getting kinda crowded in the workshop so I might want to take you up on that! Can you pick up the shipping tab?

Banjoallen:
Thank goodness for that - I hate falling out with folk

RR

Edit note: spelling corrected!

wierdscience
07-07-2006, 08:40 PM
Oh good deal!

Now be a gent and offer some of that luck/fortune/karma to all your pals on the BBS :D

Something like-"may you all find Monarch 10EE's for free" or some such:D

Wirecutter
07-07-2006, 08:43 PM
Wirecutter:
Getting kinda crowded in the workshop so I might want to take you up on that! Can you pick up the shipping tab?


Hoo boy. That was easy. Lemme guess - you live in Australia? Or is it only Europe? I think I walked into that one.

-Mark