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cuemaker
09-04-2006, 08:42 PM
I have 2 models to chose from, model 3U and model P1-3.

Cost to me would be a trade for something i paid about $250 for 7yrs ago and a 8hr drive each way to pick it up.



I have the nagging feeling that its not worth it. Am I correct?

Evan
09-04-2006, 08:57 PM
You may find this interesting.

http://www.jamesriser.com/Machinery/GortonPantograph/Restore.html

railfancwb
09-04-2006, 08:57 PM
Might be...might not be....

I recall seeing a book featuring miniature firearms, and such a machine played an important role in their creation.

Tooling or lack thereof could make a big difference.

Charles

DR
09-04-2006, 09:47 PM
I have 2 models to chose from, model 3U and model P1-3.

Cost to me would be a trade for something i paid about $250 for 7yrs ago and a 8hr drive each way to pick it up.



I have the nagging feeling that its not worth it. Am I correct?


"Cuemaker" as in one who makes pool cues, right?

Lots of guys still use them for inlays.

I don't have a clue about the different models, but I don't believe Gorton made any junk, so certainly $250 is a reasonable price especially for the P1-3 which I assume is 3-d.

JCHannum
09-04-2006, 09:49 PM
The 3U is more for engraving and lettering flat material. The P1-3 is used for 3D work, and may prove to be more useful. If I'm not mistaken, they can be used for light milling also. It is a pretty substantial machine.

http://www.machinetools.com/MT/machines/index.tmpl?page=detail&ListingID=114202132438461175

They don't bring a lot of money, but can be useful in the small or home shop.

Evan
09-04-2006, 10:27 PM
Here is a pic of the P1-3.

http://www.machineryvalues.com/xdetails.cfm/QN/136517

Here is another pic of the same machine being sold by sombody else. What's up with that?

http://www.americanmachinery.com/mill24.htm

Ed Tipton
09-05-2006, 03:58 AM
As you can see from my earlier posts, I also make cues. As it so happens, I used to work for Mueller valve in Decatur,Il and one of the machines they had there was a Gorton Pantagraph. It was not the P1-3 model, but it could and did do three dimensional work every day. It was a good machine and one that I constantly thought of as something to be used in my cuemaking. One thing I can tell you is that they can be a real bear to set up, but once done, they hold their settings. Tooling could be a problem although for making cues (inlays) you should not need very much. You will need quite a bit of clearance around the machine since when it is in operation, it can go through quite a bit of movement. If these things are not a concern, I'd definitely go for it, since I know that it is capeable of doing what you need. Did it say it could be hard to set up?

Ries
09-05-2006, 10:32 AM
I have a 2d pantograph, and I use it from time to time, mostly for engraving.
I think the 3d would be even more useful.
The collets, cutters, and other tooling are pretty specific- so if it doesnt come with them, the chances of finding them cheap and used are slim.

Famco, which now owns Gorton, will sell you parts and tooling- but at VERY high prices.http://www.famcomachine.com/

If you are at all interested in doing engraving of text with it, hope that it comes with type- a single font of type, new from Gorton, can run $800 to $1000.

Also, since most use a round cloth belt to run the head, they are not exactly milling machines. These are high speed, low torque cutting heads, and that cloth belt will start slipping if you try any serious milling.
So dont expect it to be a milling machine- it does what it is designed to do, quite well. But in industry, the 2D machines were mostly used to cut nameplates in aluminum and plastic. The 3D machines are a bit beefier, but still are no Deckel.

Here is the Gorton family website- just history, but interesting.

http://gorton-machine.org:8080/

The price is right, IF you have a real use for it, and IF it comes with tooling.

aboard_epsilon
09-05-2006, 11:33 AM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Gorton-Engravers/


all the best...mark

recoilless
09-06-2006, 04:53 PM
CUEMAKER: I picked up a Gorton P1-2 a while back and have some spare parts. I'm not sure if any interchange w/ the 1-3, just an offer. I plan to use the base/knee to build something. I just need to find my plan to see what something is...

cuemaker
09-06-2006, 09:24 PM
Recoilless,

Thanks for the offer. The seller informed me the other day that the some who contacted him for before I ( I was #2 inline) and was offering cash is wanting both machines.

So just a tab bit of bad luck, but good luck for the seller I believe.

I am waiting to hear if the other guy fails to complete the transaction.

recoilless
09-07-2006, 01:43 PM
Cueman: No problem, the offer still stands if you do end up with the machine. I was toying with the idea of putting a milling head on as it is a nice solid platform with a knee, albeit on the small side 6"x18" I believe. That was before I picked up a Hardinge TM w/vert. head. Oh well, good luck.

Alistair Hosie
09-07-2006, 03:55 PM
"You ok" mark I wondered why we have not heard from you so long as your ok that's all that matters Alistair