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Norman Atkinson
09-07-2006, 03:58 AM
Well off topic but so was our thing about this Crocodile hunter- ray of sunshine- call him-what you will.

So media attention has turned to this young lady from Austria who has been a prisoner for 8 long years.

My wife has an idea that she is a fake and so have I. She has her reasons but these are not mine.

Well, for those with powers of observation and deduction, what do you think?

Norman

John Stevenson
09-07-2006, 04:09 AM
It was a plot hatched 8 years ago to take the media attention off the also proposed plot to kill the crocodile hunter.

There have been many sleeper plots like this, just imagine if the week before, you went into the bookmakers and asked for odds on Mother Teresa dying and Princess Di getting killed on the same day.
You would have made enough to buy a clapped out shaper :d

.

Norman Atkinson
09-07-2006, 04:18 AM
Well, you can tell that our John is not just a pretty face.
We know now how he pays for his tools!

Speaking of faces and tools, my wife is/was a consultant orthodontist.
Speaking of dates and time spans, that is or was my job.
In 8 years, her teeth have altered- but how or by whom?

Next?

Norm

Timleech
09-07-2006, 04:48 AM
In 8 years, her teeth have altered- but how or by whom?

Next?

Norm

I see her spelling has changed in 20 minutes :D

Tim

speedy
09-07-2006, 06:36 AM
It is all good television Norm and she does have a very nice smile.
In reality, I have got to the point where I suspect every script that is shown on television including the "news".

Good lyrics to " Television, the Drug of the nation" here by the Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy pretty well sums it up
http://www.ocap.ca/songs/televisn.html

Norman Atkinson
09-07-2006, 08:03 AM
One way of auditioning for Maria von Krapp in " Sound of Music"?

Ken, I didn't know you had such classical tastes.

Well, I wonder what our American cousins make of it?

Norm

thistle
09-07-2006, 08:05 AM
I think she is really osama bin laden, sex change , bit of plastic surgery , bit of make up...... cant fool me

Dawai
09-07-2006, 08:15 AM
Nahh.. Osama is not hiding, he is running a hotel in South Florida in plain sight.

We've spent millions chasing that rascal through the mountains.. and there he is.. "CAN I HELP YOU SIRRR" as you walk in..

Norman, I ain't got a clue what you are talking about. Not on the news here. We had a baby killer plastered all over the news for days, then.. surprise, he is a publicity seeking nut. We gave him exactly what he wanted.

Meanwhile, Iran has been shelling the Kurds in Northern Iraq, a country we are responsible for by occupation rules of conduct.

thistle
09-07-2006, 08:28 AM
David ,

Little girl kipnapped by wacko psyhco axe murderer childmolester type and forced to live in an underground lair for 8 years - managed to escape.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5319214.stm

speedy
09-07-2006, 08:29 AM
Norm, I must confess that I like what I like.
American cousins? Billie was really likeable too. She was part 1 of married 1st cousins Billie and John; Canadian or American if I recall correctly. I was a young man then and quite surprised to discover that cousins could marry and everything else, safely.

Norman Atkinson
09-07-2006, 08:45 AM
David,
I'm trying to sneak in a far more exciting newscast before our Prime Minister resigns- today?. Well, I have been resigned to him for too long!

Just a wicked thought.
Can't offer much about the Kurds. History has it that the British used- poison gas! Only a rumour- of course. 'Cept I know who did it.

Norm

speedy
09-07-2006, 08:57 AM
Rumour has it that Tony and GWB are swapping positions for a term. Now wouldn`t that be something to experience. Oh, and Uncle Helen is in the running for U.N secretary general.

Evan
09-07-2006, 12:00 PM
Perhaps Natasha is a suitable applicant for residence here? :D

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/hosp1.jpg

madman
09-07-2006, 12:20 PM
Does this mean those 10000 missing people a year are all in someones cellar locked up?HMM. so thats where they all went..

Millman
09-07-2006, 12:24 PM
{{Only a rumour- of course. 'Cept I know who did it}} Now it comes out. I thought that's why you went to Spain!

Norman Atkinson
09-07-2006, 12:42 PM
They've abducted Matron now.
I left her drunk under the seat- and she's gawn. Gawn, I tell you, gawn!

You know, Matron locks the door to her room at night- and then looks under the bed! Gawd help whoever is hiding there.

And his Tony-ness isn't leaving us. Boo, hiss!

And it's Goodnight from me and I wish that it was Goodnight from Him.

Oh, and Evan( seriously) how is your ear?

No, and don't post a picture of Van Gogh. I'm up to those tricks.

Take care, get well.

Norm

Evan
09-07-2006, 12:58 PM
Still deaf in the ear Norman. It will be another day or two before I can tell if the new medication will work. I have no idea how long it will take for my hearing to return if it does at all. The eardrum seems to be finally healing so something is happening right. I can no longer blow smoke out of my ear. :D

john hobdeclipe
09-07-2006, 01:07 PM
Does this mean those 10000 missing people a year are all in someones cellar locked up?HMM. so thats where they all went..

Oh Well, So much for alien abductions.

Norman Atkinson
09-07-2006, 01:09 PM
Evan,
It's a so and so but we can only hope and pray that things continue to improve. Nah, I don't want yer money fer drugs- sorry, medication( Doesn't read right) Anyway, I have lorst Matron to some bounder.
Google 'Lanesborough Court' which is where the richer loonies live with their 4x4's and Mercedes and posher things than I have. It was part of St Nick's!
Wonder if Matron has been sold into the white slave trade? Come with me into zee casbah or with in tent to commit a fellow knee.

Oops, the meds are wearing off-------------Matron, come back you old Bag!

Norm

Wayne02
09-07-2006, 01:26 PM
Nahh.. Osama is not hiding, he is running a hotel in South Florida in plain sight.
Are you serious? And here I thought he was running the 7-11 store down the street from me. :)

John Stevenson
09-07-2006, 02:24 PM
Still deaf in the ear Norman. It will be another day or two before I can tell if the new medication will work. I have no idea how long it will take for my hearing to return if it does at all. The eardrum seems to be finally healing so something is happening right. I can no longer blow smoke out of my ear. :D

Tried anywhere else ? :D

.

Evan
09-07-2006, 02:30 PM
Nose works. Saw a guy who could blow it out his tear ducts. I would think that should hurt.

J Tiers
09-07-2006, 05:10 PM
David:

It isn't a hotel in Florida.....

Osama bin Laden is running a "quick mart" in Kansas.

I used to have the address, but it looks like I lost it.

That's OK, I heard he was tired of that, and he's gonna be driving a cab in Denver.

Next time one of those cabdrivers cuts in front of you, don't give him the digital salute.... hold up your left hand towards him with all the fingers spread out. The cops won't realize it's road rage... but the arab cabbie will.

Evan
09-07-2006, 05:16 PM
Better yet, keep a spare shoe with you and show him the sole. That's a mortal insult.

lazlo
09-07-2006, 06:41 PM
My wife has an idea that she is a fake and so have I. She has her reasons but these are not mine.

But the guy that allegedly kidnapped her ran in front of a train when she escaped. So if it's a hoax, it's a pretty involved one :)

Dawai
09-07-2006, 06:43 PM
Used to love the combat flight simulator WW2 edition.. I can still hear my wife behind me as I ran out of ammo.. THROW YOUR SHOE at him..

I still got it.. don't have the special joystick hooked up.. you could trim the rudder by twisting that joystick and walk the guns..

Silly me: I hooked it to the cnc.. NOW I don't have a clue where it is..

USED TO BE, people in them empoverished countries would sell thier children to the rich foriegners.. Called endentured servants back then.. Slaves in other words.. but thier time of service was limited.. The black men, it cost so much to bring them into America, they decided to change the rules for them. THAT was the true injustice, not slavery. 100years ago, this nutjob who stole this lil girl would have just bought him a kid.

I await the day, when the brain connections are perfected.. A perfect robot, one that repairs itself, stands and works 24/7 without complaint.. HUMANS tied to machinery under robotic control.. perhaps the first will be prisioners.. then like the lousiana State convicts of the 40s, they need harvest labor so they arrest a few more..

Evan
09-07-2006, 07:22 PM
Been watching the Matrix again David? How are you?

Dawai
09-07-2006, 10:55 PM
It was a FDA.gov site about five years ago.. Someone had grown brain cells on a micro chip and implanted it into about a thousand old people in nursing homes.

It controlled incontinence. The nurse would walk up and flip a switch and unload the used food like a dump truck.

Bed sores kill a lot of people with infections.

I have since looked for that link.. if you find it, relay it back to me. It was just the beginning of the perfect interface of human to computer.

Kinda scary actually for someone who did not have a television in thier home when they were young, and the neighbor had a black and white one we watched westerns on Sunday at his house. He was a machinist by the way.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/NEW00593.html Not the main one that scared me, but this is similar. OOPS that one is not a brain implant but a sacral nerve stimulator... wrong one..

Norman Atkinson
09-08-2006, 02:57 AM
Perhaps this goes off at even more of a tangent but I have to mention to Lazlo that my wife is " No 2 Lady" at the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh in Dental Surgery and was a consultant orthodontist and principal officer in the National Health Service- and plays a mean saxophone!

Faces are her stock in trade! Teeth- the second set come in and are not replaced naturally. Compare the old picture before she was abducted and now.
She has a wonderful set of 'gnashers' now. How and when did she get them in captivity?

Perhaps my view stems from a very detailed anaysis and construction of
what was likely to be that of a child/girl/woman in 8 years of captivity.

Your funny and entertaining comments are more readable.

Cheers

Norman

Dawai
09-08-2006, 07:58 AM
Well Norman, Lil girls have been known to run off with men willingly and then change thier mind later. If any dentist has worked on her mouth he would be afraid to mention it.

I kinda remember a young lady working in a topless joint at 16, she had a id saying she was 19. I was working as hired security back then. If that was not enough? Her face was used on a billboard coming into Chattanooga TN, as a advertisement for that strip bar.

NOW why authorities did not ever catch up to her or the bar? Did her parents not care? Was nobody looking for her? The police had arrested her once, knowed about the false id, never did a thing but let her loose 3 days later.

Then the stories of the truckdriver cathouse down next to Florida, Women would be brought in stoned out of thier mind on some kinda drugs and rented to the truckdrivers. When they would get too ugly by drug addition they would get lost or left on the side of the road.

It is not a nice world we live in. Most people are niave and don't have a clue about reality. People who have never seen the dark side of man have this cheery impression that everything is wonderful in the world, the police will protect them and god shines his graces on everyone.

Only one person is telling "her" story, one side. If we meet the culprit in the after life I guess we can ask him. Too late to take him to trial and find out.

Evan
09-08-2006, 08:35 AM
It is not a nice world we live in. Most people are niave and don't have a clue about reality. People who have never seen the dark side of man have this cheery impression that everything is wonderful in the world, the police will protect them and god shines his graces on everyone.

Very true at times David. I have seen parts of it that I am not willing to describe, not merely as an observer but as a participant. Bad memories, they still haunt me from time to time.

wierdscience
09-08-2006, 08:50 AM
It's suprising how easy it is to disappear.Not many years ago a road crew was working under a bridge near here when they found a car with a skeleton in it.It took just a few days to ID the person behind the wheel.He was a man who had been reported missing by his coworkers 15 years prior.He had no family left living so no one kept looking for him.His car had run off the road and rolled over under that bridge bottom side up so the brown underside of the car blended in with the brown of the river bank.Sad that he died all alone and had no one to even miss or at least look for him.

Dawai
09-08-2006, 10:33 AM
Had a real close friend dissapear.. only about a year back I found out he had checked into a hospital with no insurance under a assumed name, then died.

Nobody to call, no reason to dna or fingerprint check.

Norman Atkinson
09-08-2006, 12:47 PM
Billy Connolly tells the story of the man who was in the pub and confiding in a man that he had murdered his wife. Somewhat inebriated, he took his friend home and into the garden shed. Engineering topic, you'll note!

'That's where I buried her' pointing to two bumps in the earth floor.

Why did you leave her bum( arse) exposed?

'I wanted somewhere to park my bicycle' he explained.

Just a thought

Norm

Alistair Hosie
09-08-2006, 04:17 PM
Norm what you say is not correct if I have understood you correctly when the deciduous dentition makes way for the permanent dentition there is not always an immediate problem. look according to what your saying nobody can get a nice set of adult teeth without the intervention of an orthodontist that is not true many people in fact most people never visited an orthodontist in their lives as it is simply not necessary Alistair Hosie a humble dental technician who specialised in making orthodontic appliances both removable and fixed for over thirty years sorry unless I am mistaking your meaning something is wrong with your statement, sorry Norm Alistair

Evan
09-08-2006, 04:32 PM
She was abducted at age ten when most of her adult teeth were already in. Norm's point is that those teeth don't fix themselves and somehow between then and now her teeth were fixed.

Norman Atkinson
09-08-2006, 06:27 PM
Alistair, Evan is right in his interpretation.
Forgive me, old friend, I may have been wandering a bit.

I'm missing Matron- Natasha can go and get- well, she can go and get*****

Cheers

Norm

Alistair Hosie
09-09-2006, 07:00 AM
It may just be a loose use of the word fixed which is not correct what is meant by fixed?????

Norman Atkinson
09-09-2006, 08:13 AM
Clever use of fixed and loose- I'll be bound!

Alistair, I refered to a persons second and last set of teeth.
I then refered to a normal comparison of what her mouth looked like at 8 years and her mouth at 18 years.

Clearly, we don't know what took place in the intervening 10 years- but changes took place.

Again, in that gap a child went from being 8 years and into puberty and into womanhood- and all that is entailed in such a time scale.

What has to be said is that little seems recorded of what the captor's problems were with what we must assume to have taken place.

Following the logical thoughts, I said that she was a fake.

My deduction was that the captor was a child abuser and when the game was up- took his life to avoid prosecution. Whether or not she was agreeable to being associated or not is not the issue. She was a minor and he knew it.

QED?

Norm

malbenbut
09-09-2006, 08:37 AM
She has been to see him in his coffin and is now going to try and claim his house and estate.
MBB

Norman Atkinson
09-09-2006, 10:49 AM
Where there is a will, there is a way.
Where there isn't, it goes to the next of kin.

And she was anything but that- or was she?

My job!

Norm

Millman
09-09-2006, 10:55 AM
You guys mention teeth? Had 24 "Milled" out 2 mo. ago. Surgeon left 2 chunks sticking out I had to dig out myself. Finally starting to heal! He probably left more I don't know about....yet. I was asleep, didn't get to see what type milling cutters he used.

Norman Atkinson
09-09-2006, 11:05 AM
By Gum, lad! Spit it out

You do have problems!

Obviously someone got to the root of the problem.

Just being wicked!

Cheers

Jumble jumble mumble mumble!!!!!!!

Alistair Hosie
09-09-2006, 12:22 PM
Hi Norm It would be helpful if I got a clear interpritation of the word fixed as in her teeth where fixed I genuinely don't undestand what you mean sorry.Alistair

Norman Atkinson
09-09-2006, 03:09 PM
Alistair,
try as I might, I didn't use 'fixed' in my comments.

I know all about fixed appliances in dentistry,Begg and that sort of thing but I am lorst.


Can you pleae put me at ease to explain?

Cheers

Norm

john hobdeclipe
09-09-2006, 04:04 PM
I think what Norman is saying is that the girl had some visibly mis-aligned permanent teeth before her abduction, and that sometime in the course of her 8 year captivity these dental problems were corrected (straightened, repaired, "fixed".) Permanent teeth, once in, do not correct their own errors.

So who performed the orthodontic work? Where? And how was this done without breaking the secrecy? Without raising suspicions? Surely she would have some opportunity to say something to the orthodontist or his / her staff.

Am I reading this right, Norman?

I had some orthodontic work done when I was in my early teens. It isn't a simple, one visit process. There are numerous visits to the orthodontist for x-rays, impressions, discussions, consultations, etc. before the fun starts, then after the appliances are in place, there are monthly visits for inspection and adjustment. In my case, once a month for over three years, I could have found a way to pass a note, or whisper something, or go the the restroom and write my name on the walls, I think.

Norman Atkinson
09-09-2006, 04:53 PM
John,
Thank you for putting a fuller explanation of our thoughts.
I do apologise to readers because I have been married to a dentist for-Oh dear, so many wonderful years. I tend to forget that others are not privy to such interesting stuff. After all, we are bending springs and doing a bit of spot welding and I once got a lesson in centrifugal casting. Quite romantic?

But then a lovely daughter comes along who is like Mum, a dentist and is going to be Special Registrar in Orthodontics in the Leeds Group of Hospitals and my son in law is only a few days from being consultant cardiologist.

I do forget- and I apologise. Old age assumes so many things, sorry!

Matron isn't the only love of my life!

Norm

lane
09-09-2006, 11:11 PM
Its all a C.I.A. plot

Alistair Hosie
09-10-2006, 06:28 AM
Sorry it was that rascal Evan who used the word fixed and not you my boy not you at all:D shame on him :D Alistair p.s hes actually a nice although very old boy around ninetyish unlike like yourself boyo :D

Evan
09-10-2006, 06:36 AM
I think that one could argue that her teeth have been fixed in new positions. :D

Norman Atkinson
09-10-2006, 07:10 AM
Well, that's that 'fixed'
Phew!

Back to the Tax returns. Yuk! Agga poo!

Norm

speedy
09-10-2006, 08:02 AM
Norm, you get tax returns? and you still aren`t happy?

Norman Atkinson
09-10-2006, 08:15 AM
Ken! If you only knew?

I am sitting down having done two returns for the UK.
I have two Spanish ones and two French ones to do.
Some people want to be in this position.
I would like to be in my shed covered in dirt, grime and grease enjoying
the real things in life.

The other real things that I have are nice people- and they are worth far more than all this other stuff. I do have my priorities in the right order.

Like "Thanks, mate for being a help when I really needed it"

Norm

speedy
09-10-2006, 08:36 AM
Only duplicates Norm?
I haven`t had a tax return in ages. They? take every penny and distribute it to the needy and greedy. I like to think of it like the lottery; never winning but, oh well, contributing regularly to a better cause.

You do deserve a thanks mate Norm.
"Thanks mate" (sincerely)
and now, off to the scratcher.

Norman Atkinson
09-10-2006, 08:45 AM
Nope, duplicates?

Yer make- a -da-joke- heh?

Ken, Have you not twigged about who makes all the big decisions in life- and the little white haired old fart who has to pay for all of them!

I'm the Charles Atlas of Age Concern- and this world gets heavier by the day.

Norm

speedy
09-10-2006, 06:52 PM
Aye, as much as taxes can be considered humorous Norm.

Big decisions? Like which foot first into which trouser leg? It`s 11am and that one has been made already. Now to cut and paint some timber facings.