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JCHannum
09-10-2006, 08:42 AM
The problems continue uncorrected for many weeks now. It is a shame that the new "powers that be" will do nothing to correct the loading problems. I just made twelve attempts to log on, and it locked up every time.

This is being caused by the Haas ad, and maybe some other ones. I do not intend to be going through a bunch of gyrations and adding programs or software to my computer to enable me to see their ads, so don't offer me a "solution". The problem should be addressed by them.

John Stevenson
09-10-2006, 09:06 AM
Not offering any workrounds JC but I don't see any adverts on the PM site so I don't have this problem.
I see very few on other sites as well.

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Evan
09-10-2006, 09:21 AM
I'll give you a solution anyway.

Copy and paste this into Notepad.



# Copyright (c) 1993-1999 Microsoft Corp.
#
# This is a sample HOSTS file used by Microsoft TCP/IP for Windows.
#
# This file contains the mappings of IP addresses to host names. Each
# entry should be kept on an individual line. The IP address should
# be placed in the first column followed by the corresponding host name.
# The IP address and the host name should be separated by at least one
# space.
#
# Additionally, comments (such as these) may be inserted on individual
# lines or following the machine name denoted by a '#' symbol.
#
# For example:
#
# 102.54.94.97 rhino.acme.com # source server
# 38.25.63.10 x.acme.com # x client host

127.0.0.1 localhost
127.0.0.1 pagead2.googlesyndication.com
127.0.0.1 services.google.com
127.0.0.1 adwords.google.com
127.0.0.1 a.practicalmachinist.com
127.0.0.1 googlesyndication.com
127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net


Save it in the dirctory c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc

Use the filename "hosts" with no extension and be sure to include the quotes in the file name. Ensure that in Notepad you select the saving file type as "All files".

This will prevent all ads from displaying or even being loaded. It has no other effect. If you are running Spybot SD then re-immunize the system.

Alternatively you may simply edit the hosts file and add the entries in the code above that are not preceded by the # character.

J Tiers
09-10-2006, 09:29 AM
It is interesting that I sometimes have a problem for a few minutes at a different computer that uses IE, and does NOT have the Macromedia "Flash.ocx" loaded. Since I can't change that one, I deal with it.

This one uses Mozilla, and has yet to have any problem. I don't think it has "flash.ocx" either.......

I think, frankly, that YOUR machine has the problem, in that it does not handle a common add-on correctly.

After all, there are a lot of websites that (stupidly) will not even let you access the site unless you have that, or other silly add-ons.

I think that is a stupid thing to do, but what do you expect from website geeks? They all seem to think that you MUST download the latest gew-gaw and run next year's software.

Fixing the issue might help you with many OTHER sites as well. It isn't unique to PM. Evan's solution will no doubt work, but may not be the best for you.

In any event, this just might be a case where you need to bite the bullet and get somehow into modern times, like maybe at least to about 1750 AD...... :D

Evan
09-10-2006, 09:57 AM
My solution only blocks access to certain popular adservers. It won't block Flash if the site uses flash, only when flash is in an ad served by one of the blocked sites.

Incidentally, the hosts file blocking will work on any version of Windows. The location of the hosts file will vary and it may not exist on Win 95 or Win 98. If not then it should be placed in the c:\windows\system folder.

JCHannum
09-10-2006, 09:59 AM
I suspect that many mechanical types like myself consider the computer as a tool, not a toy or way of life. I can survive very well without websites that do not allow easy access, but they cannot survive very well without subscribers.

My computer is a year old, (I know that is ancient) it has Windows XP and a large memory. I don't know or care what ever other goodies. I have dialup and that is all I need to do what I want to do.

The less time spent here, the more time spent on other pursuits.

Evan
09-10-2006, 10:01 AM
JC, blocking the ads will save quite a bit of time on page loads using dialup.

JCHannum
09-10-2006, 10:04 AM
Not using the site will save immeasurably more time.

JCHannum
09-10-2006, 10:39 AM
It is interesting that I sometimes have a problem for a few minutes at a different computer that uses IE, and does NOT have the Macromedia "Flash.ocx" loaded. Since I can't change that one, I deal with it.

This one uses Mozilla, and has yet to have any problem. I don't think it has "flash.ocx" either.......

I think, frankly, that YOUR machine has the problem, in that it does not handle a common add-on correctly.

After all, there are a lot of websites that (stupidly) will not even let you access the site unless you have that, or other silly add-ons.

I think that is a stupid thing to do, but what do you expect from website geeks? They all seem to think that you MUST download the latest gew-gaw and run next year's software.

Fixing the issue might help you with many OTHER sites as well. It isn't unique to PM. Evan's solution will no doubt work, but may not be the best for you.

In any event, this just might be a case where you need to bite the bullet and get somehow into modern times, like maybe at least to about 1750 AD...... :D

It is typical arrogant website punk stuff.... if you are not running the latest stuff, you don't deserve to live.

Who said that?

lazlo
09-10-2006, 10:48 AM
I think, frankly, that YOUR machine has the problem, in that it does not handle a common [Flash] add-on correctly.


The flotilla of flashing, animated ads are definitely part of PM's problem, and can be seen when you first load a new page, or refresh the main page.

However, a large part of PM's problem is server load and a lousy network connection in California, where the server is hosted.

Like many PM participants, I have the ads filtered out, but was still getting severe load issues, posting issues, and server timeouts. When Don disabled the General archive (which reduces the number of SQL indexes it has to do with every new post), it fixed most of these problems.

Unfortunately, as the temporary forum fills up, the server load will increase again, and we'll start having the timeouts and looonnnnngggg posting time issues again.

However, as I'm sure everyone here has noticed, the activity on PracticalMachinist has dropped way off as the server and ad problems have gotten worse. That's going to solve a lot of the problem all by itself ;)


Fixing the issue might help you with many OTHER sites as well. It isn't unique to PM.

Many (most) of us frequent many other web forums, using the same forum software, and PM is the only page having this issue.


The problems continue uncorrected for many weeks now. It is a shame that the new "powers that be" will do nothing to correct the loading problems.

I'm sure Don is reading this, but it certainly seems that he has no control over the situation -- he would have tried to fix the problems if he could. We'll never know the terms of the contract with American Machinist, but they seem to be runnng the show...

lazlo
09-10-2006, 10:57 AM
After all, there are a lot of websites that (stupidly) will not even let you access the site unless you have that, or other silly add-ons.

I think that is a stupid thing to do, but what do you expect from website geeks?

J Tiers,

I know you're a big fan of FireFox, and I know you despise Microsoft, but FireFox doesn't support ActiveX, so many pages won't load with FireFox.

And we're not talking obscure Porn sites, these are some of the pages that won't load or work correctly with FireFox:
Web Sites that Don't Work with FireFox (http://www.computergripes.com/firefoxsites.html)

Windows Update (Duh.)
American Express
PestScan (Online Virus Checker)
CNBC
FEMA (Seriously :) )
CNET
Apple (iPod Podcasts, etc)
Computer Associates (Adware, Spyware, Virus Libraries)
Yahoo Mail
Yahoo News
Forbes
VMWare
Webroot
ShutterFly
Streamload
BusinessWeek
ESPN Sports Nation
LockerGnome
...

There are no other "silly add-ons" that you need to access web sites, just HTML, JavaScript, Java (rarely), and ActiveX, and apparently the Flash plug-in for incorrectly written web pages (like PM) where the advertisement doesn't handle the missing Flash player correctly.

I really like FireFox, and I love the add-on community, but to me it's like the Dvorak keyboard: clearly superior to the QWERTY keyboard, but since it's not in the majority, it's a major PITA to support...

Forrest Addy
09-10-2006, 11:07 AM
To me a computrer is a black box. I just use it as it comes from Office Depot and have little knowledge of what goes on behind the screen. I use AOL on a dial-up modem, M/S Office, PhotoShop LE, and an out of date version of Norton. I never have any problems with viruses or spam. When websites go down, they sooner or later come back. Of all the websites PM is for me the most accessible and trouble-free except when they try to pile too much on a server and it crashes.

Outfits that chase me around to load the latest and greatest are a PITA. If it aint broke don't try to get me to fix it. In the last week or so Adobe has been after me to load some latest viewer. Hellwit'm.

Segue. I wonder why the antipathy of some toward PM or HSM? They both serve their sectors quite well. I guess some forlks are easily offended and once offended stay that way forever and will never relent.

lazlo
09-10-2006, 11:14 AM
I wonder why the antipathy of some toward PM or HSM? They both serve their sectors quite well. I guess some forlks are easily offended and once offended stay that way forever and will never relent.

Forrest,

I don't sense any antipathy here towards either PM or HSM. In fact, most of us (including Don and Evan, the two forum managers) are frequent participants on both forums.

I think what you're seeing is frustration with technical issues associated with accessing the PracticalMachinist page, but I don't think that ire is directed at the Forum itself.

Cheers,

Robert

John Stevenson
09-10-2006, 11:27 AM
It is typical arrogant website punk stuff.... if you are not running the latest stuff, you don't deserve to live.

Who said that?

You did, just now...............

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JRouche
09-10-2006, 11:28 AM
PM site has been working great for me since the general section got split up. Was apparently too big for the managing software.

Works great now, no issues at all. Very fast posting and retrieving. Yep, work good. Actually the entire WWW is screamin lately. FiOS, I think I'll change my TV to it also...yeah, more TV and more internet....Gimme, gimme...JRouche

Mike W
09-10-2006, 11:35 AM
I use firefox with javascript disabled. I don't see the ads and PM loads as fast as any other forum such as this one.

JRouche
09-10-2006, 11:44 AM
FireFox doesn't support ActiveX, so many pages won't load with FireFox.


Lazlo, I only use firefox and it works outstandingly.

I checked some of those site you listed and they came up. Is it only a problem when you create an account and have to access your account?

I use Yahoo mail and Groups all the time..... I dont have American express..... Pestscan, I use mcafee..... Windoze update, never.....ESPN sports nation, just got the scoop on NFL, works great....FEMA, if my house has fallen down around my ears I'm screwed....Computer Associates, works all the way to where I would enter my credit card then I stopped, works good.......

I dont know, all works fine for me. What is the issue? I run plain vanilla 1.5.0.6. No problems....JRouche

Arbo
09-10-2006, 11:52 AM
The problem for me was, and still is, that everytime I visit the site, my browser "encounters a problem, and needs to shut down". I don't need the aggravation. I truely enjoy visiting PM, and will do so again if the problem is fixed. However, for now it appears that advertising income is more important than the members.

Tinkerer
09-10-2006, 11:52 AM
I use to lurk around the PM site back before the BIG CHANGE with no trouble. The times I've popped in after it I generally have my browser completely shut down with in a short time or upon loading the first thread. Oh well I guess I was not their targeted market after all.

lazlo
09-10-2006, 12:04 PM
I use to lurk around the PM site back before the BIG CHANGE with no trouble.
...
Oh well I guess I was not their targeted market after all.

This is why the message activity on PM has dropped way off.

Is it just my imagination, or has the activity on this forum increased a lot lately? :)

pstephens
09-10-2006, 01:54 PM
For what it's worth, I tried Evan's HOSTS file modification, and it worked like a charm (I'm using IE). Bye-bye annoying, flashing ads! Thanks, Evan!

JCHannum
09-10-2006, 02:04 PM
Forrest,

I don't sense any antipathy here towards either PM or HSM. In fact, most of us (including Don and Evan, the two forum managers) are frequent participants on both forums.

I think what you're seeing is frustration with technical issues associated with accessing the PracticalMachinist page, but I don't think that ire is directed at the Forum itself.

Cheers,

Robert
Don Thomas started the PM site, and I have no argument with him or his site at all. In fact, I feel it is a shame for him that he is often the target of abuse, when it is probably AM that is calling the shots on advertisers and advertising. Don has expended a lot of time and effort to create and maintain a very good website, and deserves a lot of credit for his accomplishments.

I use both of the sites and enjoy both of them. There is as much, and maybe more negativity expressed by the PM regulars about the HSM site as the other way around. It is amusing at times, as they will down HSM there, and show up over here with questions.

This site is operated by Village Press, as an adjunct to their publications, Home Shop Machinist and Machinists Workshop. Evan is a member like all the rest of us. Craig Foster is the moderator.

JCHannum
09-10-2006, 02:05 PM
You did, just now...............

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No, J Tiers said it on the PM site in response to a similar thead over there.

John Stevenson
09-10-2006, 02:29 PM
Oh well that one was wasted :mad:

Another flat battery in the car park of life :D

I do agree entirely with your post above that one.
I read and post to both this and the Practical Machinist site and can't see why there is this scoring points.
I feel they both have a place and complement each other.

It does amuse me when people call it it "That other site", shades of Harry Potter and the site that shall not be named :p

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Evan
09-10-2006, 03:56 PM
Evan is a member like all the rest of us. Craig Foster is the moderator.

Quite correct. I have no special authority on this site, I don't claim any and I don't want any.

Don however, does on a regular basis inform people of what he deems acceptable when using the PM site and what he doesn't. As far as I know that is still his perogative.

J Tiers
09-10-2006, 05:54 PM
JC. I said that as a short version of what arrogant website geeks typically seem to think.....

Walk into a computer store and ask for something that was superseded 3 weeks ago.... they laugh and pretty much yell 'Hey Joe, didja hear what this guy wants?".....

No I was NOT personally attacking you, so lay back and relax.


Lazlo, I too visit a number of those sites, and have never had a problem..... I have Yahoo news up right now, flashing ads and all. PM same-same.

I don't despise Microsoft, I hate them. If they were not so arrogant and also helplessly out of their depth bug-wise, I might not.

tattoomike68
09-10-2006, 05:54 PM
When PM changed over I had a few things to say about it. :)

Link HA HA HA (http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/21060.html#000000)

J. Randall
09-10-2006, 07:19 PM
Lazlo, I also have firefox and visit severel of those sites with no problem. I probably run in to about one application every 3 months that firefox won't handle and have to use IE. James

JCHannum
09-10-2006, 08:29 PM
JC. I said that as a short version of what arrogant website geeks typically seem to think.....

Walk into a computer store and ask for something that was superseded 3 weeks ago.... they laugh and pretty much yell 'Hey Joe, didja hear what this guy wants?".....

No I was NOT personally attacking you, so lay back and relax.


Lazlo, I too visit a number of those sites, and have never had a problem..... I have Yahoo news up right now, flashing ads and all. PM same-same.

I don't despise Microsoft, I hate them. If they were not so arrogant and also helplessly out of their depth bug-wise, I might not.
I am relaxed, and have not taken anything personally. I agree with your take on geeks in general. Nothing else we encounter in our daily lives needs to be constantly tuned and adjusted to use it. Why should we have to dork around with our computers for the honor of seeing someone's advertising? If they want us to see it, they should make it work, not the other way around.

There seems to be a lot of sympathy over Gene Haas' current legal problems. If his ads keep knocking me offline, maybe he does deserve jail time.

J Tiers
09-10-2006, 08:53 PM
\Why should we have to dork around with our computers for the honor of seeing someone's advertising? If they want us to see it, they should make it work, not the other way around.


Now THAT is the WORD......... :D

Rich Carlstedt
09-10-2006, 09:17 PM
Hey guys...calm down..
I was beginning to think this was the PM site !

Lighten up and laugh.. you all are with friends here !
Rich

Milacron of PM
09-10-2006, 10:25 PM
This is why the message activity on PM has dropped way off.

Is it just my imagination, or has the activity on this forum increased a lot lately? :)
According the Hitbox statistics of PM, the various stats of page views and unique visitors and such has increased "lately". So, which do we believe...the actual stats, or the "intuition" of Lazlo ?

torker
09-10-2006, 11:56 PM
When PM changed over I had a few things to say about it. :)

Link HA HA HA (http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/21060.html#000000)
Mikey...yer such a chit disturber :D
Would have been funnier if it didn't take 15 minutes to load the link... :(

torker
09-10-2006, 11:59 PM
BTW...I got a big kick out of Barry Miltons crack about Anti-Jew,Anti-Black, Anti-Muslim stuff that goes on over here at the HSM site.
Geez..I musta missed that :D
Russ

wierdscience
09-11-2006, 12:12 AM
When PM changed over I had a few things to say about it. :)

Link HA HA HA (http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/21060.html#000000)


ROTFLMAO! :D

I think I did use the term"that other site" once,but the initials didn't sound to good either-PMS-:D

JCHannum
09-12-2006, 10:32 AM
According the Hitbox statistics of PM, the various stats of page views and unique visitors and such has increased "lately". So, which do we believe...the actual stats, or the "intuition" of Lazlo ?
Earlier today, I made three attempts to log onto the site. I was knocked off line on the third attempt.

The page opened, but locked up each time. Would this show up on the hitbox as three hits? If so, that would account for an apparent increase in traffic.

lazlo
09-12-2006, 10:59 AM
Earlier today, I made three attempts to log onto the site. I was knocked off line on the third attempt.

The page opened, but locked up each time. Would this show up on the hitbox as three hits? If so, that would account for an apparent increase in traffic.

Yes, you beat me to the punchline JC :D

The reason that Hitbox shows as many hits, even though the topics on the main PM page have not changed much in the last week, is from everyone attempting to load the page and being bumped off.

Everytime you load or refresh the page, Hitbox counts that as a hit.

dirty old man
09-12-2006, 11:44 AM
I am the first to admit, that like Forrest, the PC is to me a black box and a tool that I am somewhat ignorant of it's capabilities and limitations.
I do know that I use DSL from Bell South. And any anti virus and firewall stuff that go with the subscription thereto.
From Microsoft I use IE and whatever they offer for anti virus and firewall.
And I use an outdated version of Norton also, in fact they're about to run me nuts with their pop ups trying to get me to renew and update. Only real annoyance I find on my cruising the internet.
Like everyone else, I had access to PM denied whe the General forum filled up, both times. But I never even see these ads yall are talking about! I see the PM banner and also one for AM, but that's it! Don't ask me how this happens, cause I sure as hell don't know. In fact,as long as they didn't hamper my journey thru the site, I wouldn't mind seeing them.
I visit both sites every day,and post when I can offer some semi intelligent comment or want to ask for help. And both sites have been a Godsend to me in my efforts to resurrect some castoff machinery.
Hope that both sites remain strong, busy, and with the input from so many knowledgeable people continuing.
I hope somehow we can all avoid these hassles and the understandably agitated feelings that can and have accompanied them.

JCHannum
09-12-2006, 12:03 PM
The problems seem to be caused by the animated banners. These are run by HAAS and Geometric, and maybe others. They run in a rotation, and if you log on when they are not in the rotation, there will be no problems.

If you log on when they are in the rotation, you may or may not get problems. If you are in the middle of a session, and they come on, you may experience a problem when you change pages.

The problems have been mentioned several times on their site, yet no solution has occurred. I do not intend this as bashing the site, I use it and enjoy it. I just do not see why it has not been corrected or responded to.

Evan
09-12-2006, 12:23 PM
JC,

These sort of problems drive software developers absolutely nuts. Windows allows a nearly infinite variety of software to actually make changes to how the operating system works and that is the root of many problems. Simply installing a toolbar plugin such as the Google toolbar can create a different environment as it changes how IE works.

I commonly use three different machines with Firefox and IE6 or IE7 beta on them. They have different service pack levels because I use them to replicate customer service issues.

None of them has had any problem with the PM site as far as crashing either browser or anything like it with the ads enabled. In fact, I only have the ads disabled on my home machine as it has a big effect on satellite access time.

The only problems I have seen lately are mostly attributable to network problems not directly related to the PM server. I occasionally run a trace to the site to see where the problems are and it usually is somewhere between here and there.

Problems that appear to be related to the web site may well be compatability issues with other software installed on your machine. Unfortunately there isn't any easy way to test this. On my machines I run the absolute minimum of plugins for the web browsers that I need to view sites. No extra toolbars like Google or Yahoo! No Norton or other antivirus plugins and no special filters for popups. Any of those items could be a problem since they interact with web page content.

lazlo
09-12-2006, 12:26 PM
I do know that I use DSL from Bell South. And any anti virus and firewall stuff that go with the subscription thereto.
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I never even see these ads yall are talking about! I see the PM banner and also one for AM, but that's it! Don't ask me how this happens, cause I sure as hell don't know.

That sounds like Bell South DSL has a proxy firewall that blocks the ad servers, or they've configured your IE installation to Ad Block. Either way, that's good service for a broadband provider!


I visit both sites every day,and post when I can offer some semi intelligent comment or want to ask for help.

Likewise. Many (most?) of us visit and contribute to both sites.

There's definitely a different "character" to each site, although it's probably not the "professional" versus "hobbyist" delineation that was originally intended.


Hope that both sites remain strong, busy, and with the input from so many knowledgeable people continuing. I hope somehow we can all avoid these hassles and the understandably agitated feelings that can and have accompanied them.

As I mentioned before, I don't think any of the ire is directed towards the PM Forum itself. I just don't think any of us, including Don, had any idea how painful it was going to be for PM to go commerical.

lazlo
09-12-2006, 12:35 PM
The only problems I have seen lately are mostly attributable to network problems not directly related to the PM server. I occasionally run a trace to the site to see where the problems are and it usually is somewhere between here and there.

There seems to be three different issues plaguing PracticalMachinist right now: server load, network performance, and the Flash Ads.

Don temporarily fixed the server load problem by disabling the General forum. Since that fix, I have not had any of the problems with PM refusing connections or timing out.

I've never had problems with the Flash ads, but I'm pretty sure that the problem there is that the Webmaster didn't write the Javascript to correctly test for the existence of the Flash .DLL, so when the HAAS and Geometric banner ads rotate through, they try to run a Flash script, and the web browser crashes if it's not installed.

J Tiers
09-12-2006, 12:41 PM
BTW, the "OLD" general forum is still open, and apparently posts go to it, as there appeared to be new ones up there.

If Don "disabled" it, he must have re-enabled it since.

I don't know which is supposed to be used, right now they are "competing".

Evan
09-12-2006, 12:51 PM
Don never disabled the old General forum, he simply took it off the main list. New topics cannot be started but you can post to old ones.

Whoever is in charge of that site now needs to do something soon to resolve the problems. This especially applies to the issue of having one of the forums essentially archived yet with additional postings still allowed. It's pretty well impossible now to merge the two General forums because of the mixture of dates. It might work or not, depending on how the software handles it but I wouldn't count on it.

I have one XP machine that doesn't have flash installed in either browser and it doesn't crash or lockup on the site. The only thing that I have seen that will consistently lock up either browser is PDF files that have errors. The Acrobat reader plugin is not browser friendly.

JCHannum
09-12-2006, 01:12 PM
As I mentioned previously, my computer has the bare minimum needed for me to do what I bought it for, eBay, e-mail to my kids, some photos and word processing (I use wordpad). There is very little there for conflict, and that is the way I intend to keep it. It has Windows XP, Adobe Acrobat and it probably uses IE. Beyond that, I have no use for any other programs, and I have downloaded no software, I avoid Yahoo like the plague.

If your computer experiences the problem, it will be only when the mentioned ads are running. When they are up, it may or may not lock up. It is quite obvious that it is not a unique problem to me.

mochinist
09-12-2006, 03:33 PM
BTW...I got a big kick out of Barry Miltons crack about Anti-Jew,Anti-Black, Anti-Muslim stuff that goes on over here at the HSM site.
Geez..I musta missed that :D
RussDuring katrina last year one of the members here said they would be willing to take in a family as long as they were white or something to that efect, as a black family wouldn't fit into his community. I called him out on it and a few came to his defense, I got an apologetic email from him and he said sorry for offending me , I just thought it was an idiotic thing to say.:)


P.S. I dont spend my life online, but when I do want to go to the PM site, it always works for me with no problems. I run IE and firefox here at work, the only extension I have is image zoom, no google bar yahoo bar or adblock. At home I have more extensions than I can recall probably around 15 or 20, and I have no problems there either. Cable connection at home and DSL at work. Maybe the ones that are primarily having problems are dial up, I dont know.

rkepler
09-12-2006, 04:01 PM
During katrina last year one of the members here said they would be willing to take in a family as long as they were white or something to that efect, as a black family wouldn't fit into his community.

Are you sure that was on Practical Machinist? I post there and don't recall it, and can't find anything through a search or a user with a name containing "milton". I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I never saw it - perhaps it was in one of the forums I don't watch much.

JCHannum
09-12-2006, 05:17 PM
I don't recall that posting, mochinist mentions that it was on this site, not PM. There is a guy who posts on here once in a while who is definitely pro nazi. He is usually driven off in pretty short order.

Barry Milton posts on PM as "precisionworks".

rkepler
09-12-2006, 05:54 PM
Jim, you're right, I was misreading things. Sorry 'bout that.

mochinist
09-12-2006, 07:33 PM
I don't recall that posting, mochinist mentions that it was on this site, not PM. There is a guy who posts on here once in a while who is definitely pro nazi. He is usually driven off in pretty short order.

Barry Milton posts on PM as "precisionworks".No need to dig up the old post, but I found it pretty easy. The pro Nazi dudes name is Jack Burns http://www.homeshopmachinist.net/bbs/search.php?searchid=20623

Barry is a good dude, I have emailed with him numerous times.

Milacron of PM
09-13-2006, 02:24 PM
Yes, you beat me to the punchline JC :D

The reason that Hitbox shows as many hits, even though the topics on the main PM page have not changed much in the last week, is from everyone attempting to load the page and being bumped off.

Everytime you load or refresh the page, Hitbox counts that as a hit. Yeah well, naturally you completely ignored the other part of my post about unique visitors being up as well and just focued on the part you could get away with critizing :rolleyes:

Evan
09-13-2006, 03:07 PM
Sorry Don but I can't help but note that people are always fascinated by a train wreck.

IOWOLF
09-13-2006, 05:27 PM
Sorry Don but I can't help but note that people are always facinated by a train wreck.

NOW thats humor.:D

torker
09-13-2006, 10:22 PM
No need to dig up the old post, but I found it pretty easy. The pro Nazi dudes name is Jack Burns http://www.homeshopmachinist.net/bbs/search.php?searchid=20623

Barry is a good dude, I have emailed with him numerous times.
mo...I agree wholeheartedly that Barry is a good guy. He actually helped me out a lot with a number of things when I used to hang out on the PM site.
He gives a lot of his time and knowledge to newbs....like many here do.
I just found it a little odd what he said as I missed the Katrina deal.
Russ

torker
09-13-2006, 10:23 PM
Hey mo...that link is dead on my end. Says "No matches found"
Russ

Milacron of PM
09-13-2006, 10:32 PM
Sorry Don but I can't help but note that people are always fascinated by a train wreck.Yes they are. Grasping at straws for cute analogies are we ?

mochinist
09-13-2006, 10:36 PM
Hey mo...that link is dead on my end. Says "No matches found"
RussDont know why it died, but if you just put jack burns into the search for this site it will pop up his name. The link just led to his old post.