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canman
09-19-2006, 12:02 AM
Hello everyone,
It has been a while since I had a post even though I have been lurking........
Has anyone used any of the online college programs to obtain Eng. Degree? Does anyone have an opinion about the online colleges? Are these legitimate colleges trying to help the working man ( for a fee of course) to continue education or are these scams? Are these degress respected by employers or are they looked down on since they do not come from a traditional colleges? Seriously thinking about continuing education and this is probably the only way I can, time wise........ Shift work sucks, rotating shift work ( 3 on 3 off 12hr. days for a month or so then switch to nights for a month or so ) really, really SUCKS.
I value the honest, straight forward opinions I have received from this group in the past and I am sure I will these. Remember to say a prayer for our troops and SUPPORT them in any way possible.
Thanks for your time,
Kevin

Evan
09-19-2006, 12:43 AM
Here in Canada and in British Columbia most higher educational institutions have online programs. You can do most of the work toward a degree at home but they usually require some physical attendance, normally one year. The online courses cover just about anything that is practical to deliver that way and are offered by very respectable institutions. This is common here because of the very dispersed nature of the population and the long distances between major centers. Proctored exams are commonly sat at the local community college by arrangement or asocciation with the university.

I am sure there are many scams and some of them are just plain phony "degrees" printed on parchment that you can try to use to BS an employer.



Remember to say a prayer for our troops and SUPPORT them in any way possible.

Yeah. We lost 4 more today in Afghanistan. They are sending over the battle tanks for them. About time.

DR
09-19-2006, 09:03 AM
"Remember to say a prayer for our troops and SUPPORT them in any way possible."


Vote Democratic next election?

SGW
09-19-2006, 10:15 AM
MIT has a lot of online course material, and that's certainly a legit engineering school. I'm not sure whether they offer degrees based on online courses though.

cuemaker
09-19-2006, 11:18 AM
Most are real, you can check to see if that program is actually certified.

University of Phoenix is a big one. Capella (sp) University is another.

But they are expensive. It seems to be the same as attending a University.

I know my dad obtained his MBA doing some online courses and some actual classwork on an off site location.

Guido
09-19-2006, 11:58 AM
Over 40 years of working for, working with, hiring and firing blue collars and college educated people the final verdict we've arrived at, is:

'A college degree should aid in helping get the first job. From there on, success depends on the employee.'

Regarding those who work their ass off contributing to a mail order paper mill, your smarts could have been better applied finding ways and means to finance an education, or you have a super ability of sticktoitiveness.

Good luck, G

Mcgyver
09-19-2006, 12:19 PM
anything that gives more skills or credentials it it get you to where you want to be is a good thing I guess,

mostly agree with Guido, getting a degree online in isolation will take a lot of determination & discipline, beside the people you meet and relationships can end up being as important as the content.

where i disagree is that a professional degree or specific certification courses can be a career lifter long after that first job. you can improve your job qualifications long after that first job, but its got to be specific and relative; a renaissance art course isn't getting you a promotion at the plant.

from a sort of head space view, sometimes just taking some action, any action, can lead to new and better things. serendipity is the word the newagers use. remember that old line, insanity is continuing to do the same thing a expecting a different result.

BillH
09-19-2006, 01:33 PM
I have a 4 year degree from a well known CT university and I'll be making all my money with the 2 year Aviation Management degree im currently pursuing. OFcourse the 4 year degree will open more doors more quickly down the road.
and DR, sure if you want to cut and run!

DR
09-19-2006, 04:37 PM
"and DR, sure if you want to cut and run!"

Yep, I see your point. We should stick around for another 10,000+ casualties. We'll show those nasty terrorists a thing or two.

BillH
09-19-2006, 05:19 PM
"and DR, sure if you want to cut and run!"

Yep, I see your point. We should stick around for another 10,000+ casualties. We'll show those nasty terrorists a thing or two.

Thank god liberals dont run the USA

John Stevenson
09-19-2006, 05:47 PM
Thank god liberals dont run the USA

I thought Homer Simpson did ?

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rantbot
09-19-2006, 05:59 PM
We'll show those nasty terrorists a thing or two.

The really convenient thing is that if you don't go after them they'll come after you. Get a papershuffling job in a highrise office building in New York, and maybe you'll be able to see them coming.

DR
09-19-2006, 06:03 PM
Thank god liberals dont run the USA


You're right again, the neocons are doing such a super job we can all go to bed at night knowing our government is doing what's best for us.

Doesn't it warm your heart when they invade other countries (Mission accomplished, right?).

Gawd, I almost wish we'd have a hurricane where I live. George and boys'd rebuild us better than we ever were (aren't they lucky in New Orleans having such a wonderful president?).

Evan
09-19-2006, 06:05 PM
This is going downhill fast.

BillH
09-19-2006, 06:12 PM
This is going downhill fast.
Yes Evan it is, arguing with a liberal is like winning the special olympics...
There is something to be gathered by all of this, from an intellect point of view.
The two sides in the USA, are so completely opposite of each other in ideology, a polar opposite if you will, it seams too perfect to be born from natural selection.
You have the weenie liberals who will cut the defense spending and pull out our troops leaving us vulnerable to attack later down the road, and the conservatives who will defeat terrorism and put emotion to the side to make sure the job gets done so our children can have the same freedoms that we all grew up.
In this modern day, you have Europe which seams to have given up with their millitary might, and the USA whom wants to make their millitary the best in the world. It shouldnt be any surprise as to why the USA is always looked upon as the savior of the world or the meanie big super power that makes everyone else look weak(cause they are).

Evan
09-19-2006, 06:53 PM
I'm not going to get involved in a liberal/conservative debate. I am glad to see our government supporting our troops in Afghanistan. If we are going to put them in harms way then they should have what it takes to do the job. They are sending over at least 15 Leopard C2 main battle tanks fully equipped with the latest gear. They are about similar to the M1A1. I was suprised to hear that Canada has 114 Leopards operational.

HWooldridge
09-19-2006, 06:54 PM
Hello everyone,
It has been a while since I had a post even though I have been lurking........
Has anyone used any of the online college programs to obtain Eng. Degree? Does anyone have an opinion about the online colleges? Are these legitimate colleges trying to help the working man ( for a fee of course) to continue education or are these scams? Are these degress respected by employers or are they looked down on since they do not come from a traditional colleges? Seriously thinking about continuing education and this is probably the only way I can, time wise........ Shift work sucks, rotating shift work ( 3 on 3 off 12hr. days for a month or so then switch to nights for a month or so ) really, really SUCKS.
I value the honest, straight forward opinions I have received from this group in the past and I am sure I will these. Remember to say a prayer for our troops and SUPPORT them in any way possible.
Thanks for your time,
Kevin

I applaud your interest in furthering your education - pay no attention to those who would ridicule your efforts. My wife started a degree program in person and finished it on-line because we had to move. Therefore, I would say it is definitely a valid way to get a real degree and not a paper mill version (although those are out there and should be avoided). She has two Bachelor's sheepskins while I have only one but for either of us to advance to any great extent in our professions requires at least a Master's in some discipline.

Experience is important but many companies are looking for higher education.
I have gobs of experience in addition to my degree but many job descriptions in my field require an MBA. MS or ME. Now, I have known knuckleheads with MBA's who couldn't change a tire, but the fact is that these people are the ones who move up the ranks and make the coin.

Many city and state colleges have flexible programs that will take your work hours into consideration. Take the time to get your degree and make a fresh start - just don't forget how much you hate shift work and it's unlikely you'll ever have to go back.

RobDee
09-19-2006, 08:30 PM
It’s a myopic perspective to think that political parties make a difference in a country. Political parties can not liberate an individual anymore then they can moralize an individual.

Political systems use freedom and liberty as the impetus for war. Countries have one direction and that is the survival of the country. If that means dropping a bomb on 100,000 innocent people then that is what they do.

Countries have no use for the individual after his death. To bad, aside from atheists and agnostics the rest of us might want to think about whom we kill and why, unless of course, we think God is geographically biased. I personally can’t imagine God dismissing my aberrant actions because I spent my life on some insignificant spot on the globe.

As much as we would like to think it there are no great countries. There are, however, very possibly great people but I’ll leave that judgment to God too.

As far as an education, get one. It will open doors. Just make sure once the door is opened you have the stuff to do the job.

One more thing. Educate yourself in an area you actually enjoy and are good at. Get tested if you don’t know. There is nothing sadder then someone spending his or her life in an occupation they have no aptitude or desire for.

DR
09-19-2006, 08:46 PM
Yes Evan it is, arguing with a liberal is like winning the special olympics...
......

I assume that comment is directed at me.

I don't consider myself a political liberal, more a conservative.

Being a political conservative doesn't mean I have to be in favor of the policies of a drunken, born again Christian fundamentalist.

BTW, I don't give a rat's ass whether gays marry either.

Mcgyver
09-19-2006, 08:58 PM
You're right again, the neocons are doing such a super job we can all go to bed at night knowing our government is doing what's best for us.


DR, I prefer to think for myself and hence do not blindly follow either a liberal or conservative view, but I have to speak up in I see the term neo-con.

As it is almost always used to imply some sort of super right wing, hyper intensive conservative, it's a dead give away that the speaker is either a teenage protesters, is blindly following rhetoric, just generally ignorant or a combo of the above.

neo as a prefix means new. the term neocon means the the new-conservatives; a conservative group comprised of people with a liberal or socialistic background who've matured past these ideals. It's a type of kinder and more gentle conservative than the traditional view who have realized the economic folly of socialism but still harbor liberal values. Apologies if you are using it as term of endearment towards a conservative minded person whom the left semi-embraces.

people inclined towards the left that are hot under collar often use the term. The problem is then one of credibility, if they are resorting to name calling and they aren't yet informed enough to get that right, how much credibility should I ascribe to their views?

We'd all be so much better of if we abandon or prejudices, thought for ourselves and didn't follow other's rhetoric, that goes for most of us regardless of political inclination.

RobDee
09-19-2006, 09:10 PM
Goodie, a political discussion.

mochinist
09-19-2006, 09:33 PM
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Evan
09-19-2006, 09:52 PM
:D:D:D
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Mcgyver
09-19-2006, 10:08 PM
mochinist, I take it that headline is credited to my post :D

mochinist
09-19-2006, 10:20 PM
mochinist, I take it that headline is credited to my post :DNah I just have that image saved and like to get it out when appropriate.

CCWKen
09-19-2006, 11:21 PM
LOL... I like the newspaper. :D

I only wish online classes were available when I went to school. Working full time, raising a family, night and week-end classes, working late to pickup a morning class. I did a few 14hr. semesters in a row that about killed me. All my papers were done on a typewriter or later on a Commodore 64 and the original IBM-PC. I did my final thesis on a Compaq 386 that was upgraded along the way. (It took me a while) And all before Internet! You had to actually go to the library back then.

A couple of universities down here advertise on TV about online classes. I especially like the one about "dress code" that shows a pair of underwear on the clothes line. :D

tomb
09-20-2006, 05:33 PM
getting back to the question of continuing education (hopefully):

For what it is worth, I started out in trade school after HS, did an apprenticeship as a diemaker, worked in job shops, et al. After 5 or 6 years, I got disgusted with the pay and opportunities for machinists and tool & diemakers, etc. I also got tired of layoffs. I was able to bounce between day and night shift, weekends, summers, etc. to get my MBA in Industrial Operations Management from a private university. That was 9 years ago and I'm just getting close to paying off that loan. Is it worth it - yes - in my opinion. My degree was noted in more than 1 interview and it's something that makes you stand out from others when there are 100 resumes in a stack. You do make contacts - and in my case - the CEO of a company that hired me attended the same school. That was a coincidence, but I'll take anything I can get.

On line wasn't an option for me at the time - but I'd be cautious about getting a degree from some place that ONLY does on-line. I'm not denigrating it - but I do recall reading about some looking down on it. If I were to do it again, I know I'd take a ton of online courses at a brick and mortar school - and hey, you don't have to say you did most of it on line.

I've met tons of intelligent folks without a formal degree and I don't think my degree makes me better than them - but I bet in some cases it might give me an edge in employment decisions.

Good luck to you,
Tom

pcarpenter
09-20-2006, 06:11 PM
I work for a midwestern university in a supporting role (my alma-mater in fact). Certainly a degree is a means to an end and not an end in itself. A person can be a degreed idiot. All that having been said, more power to you.

There are lots of "schools" in the on-line diploma business...as separated from Universities that offer on-line courses. Choose the latter. You won't go wrong with a degree acquired remotely from a reputable bricks-and-mortar university that offers courses remotely. Get a degree from a non-accredited university (find out who "accredited" them too as even this is subject to fraudulent claims) and you have a piece of useless paper. The North Central Association is one that comes to mind here. Their web site has a list of members:

http://www.ncacasi.org/

Paul

CCWKen
09-20-2006, 06:29 PM
BTW, I don't give a rat's ass whether gays marry either.

I care! As it's said, go forth, make babies and prosper. Who will pay my Social Security if there's nothing but fudge packers holding hands? :D

WORMgearster
09-20-2006, 06:33 PM
On-line classes are great, and the way of the future. Meeting the needs of todays student and increasing their student base as they compete for those student loan dollars colleges and tech programs are more flexible in meeting the demands of the working adult.

A degree will allow you to sit in the front of the bus... for awhile. Not many will ask to see your transcripts, just completing it will separate you from alot of us who didn't. Once you get there you stand or fall on your own merit. Practical application knowledge far out ways theory any day in the real world, it is where the "rubber meets the road".


RobDee wrote;
"One more thing. Educate yourself in an area you actually enjoy and are good at. Get tested if you don’t know. There is nothing sadder then someone spending his or her life in an occupation they have no aptitude or desire for."

What a great statement... I hope he is not speaking from experience.

RobDee
09-20-2006, 10:14 PM
RobDee wrote;
"One more thing. Educate yourself in an area you actually enjoy and are good at. Get tested if you don’t know. There is nothing sadder then someone spending his or her life in an occupation they have no aptitude or desire for."

What a great statement... I hope he is not speaking from experience.

Thanks and I'm not.

When I was a, quite poor, kid I worked as kitchen help, grocery store shelf stocker and all the rest. I saw right away that this was not how I wanted to live my life. I was interested in electronic as a young boy and had a reputation around my high school for being good at it. One day I took an extra long break at my grocery store job, mea culpa, and the boss gave me what for. I quit on the spot and the next day I went down to the local TV repair shop. The man heard about me and gave me a job which I worked at and loved, all through HS.

I was to poor to go to college at the time so I got a job as a technician, got drafted and joined the Navy instead. They tested me and found I had a very high aptitude for electronics and mechanics so they sent me to electronics school which I excelled at. I think one of the reasons I excelled was the thought of flunking out and hanging over a Battle Ship chipping paint for the next four years! I saw right away what an education meant to me. Anyway, I did so well that they gave me a top secret clearance and I worked on the first super computers in the world in my choice of duty station which was Hawaii. In fact my orders were never posted with rest of the graduates. The Captain of the base gave them to me personally.

When I got out of the service I went back to work and school.

Yes, I clearly had an aptitude but how many people do most of you know that have aptitudes and never develop them?

I have tutored several people through college and encouraged many more to go to school or back to school.

I remember once trying to learn am musical instrument. Boy did I stink! I could have spent years attempting to be a musician but I knew I’d never amount to anything no matter how much I liked it. Don’t make that mistake either. Don’t spend your life trying to be something you’re not. The list is a long and undistinguished one of the frustrated people who did that with their lives!

BillH
09-21-2006, 08:15 AM
Thanks and I'm not.



I remember once trying to learn am musical instrument. Boy did I stink! I could have spent years attempting to be a musician but I knew I’d never amount to anything no matter how much I liked it. Don’t make that mistake either. Don’t spend your life trying to be something you’re not. The list is a long and undistinguished one of the frustrated people who did that with their lives!

That is why I dropped the idea of being a computer programmer. Sure I can fix em and build em and diagnose them with the best but when it came to programming, thats a whole different world...

HWooldridge
09-21-2006, 02:37 PM
I remember once trying to learn a musical instrument. Boy did I stink! I could have spent years attempting to be a musician but I knew I’d never amount to anything no matter how much I liked it. Don’t make that mistake either. Don’t spend your life trying to be something you’re not. The list is a long and undistinguished one of the frustrated people who did that with their lives![/QUOTE]


It's funny how skills can run in a family. Nobody that we can determine in my entire family is a musician - none of us can carry a tune in a bucket or play an instrument, although several of us have tried (including me on the guitar - what a waste of time).

However, we have a glut of engineers, blacksmiths, gunsmiths, machinists, chefs and artists. We are fortunate to have fairly detailed family records going back several generations and the trend has stayed the same for a couple hundred years. Most of the women are/were also craft-driven, with many working as seamstresses. It surprised us that after my dad died, my mother remarried into a musical family. They sing and play music every time they get together, which still mystifies the rest of us (although we enjoy listening).

Political, military and police careers also seem to run in families over several generations. Makes me wonder if genetics plays a big part in it and/or whether raising the child in certain surroundings tends to lead them into particular occupations?

BadDog
09-21-2006, 05:35 PM
I went to college on a scholarship straight out of High School. Thought I wanted to be an Aerospace Engineer, then decided I hated it and dropped out for 7 years. When I decided to go back, I couldn't afford to "go off" to college as I had a house and family by then. So I took the catalog for the local college and went through every degree offered. Anything that looked "interesting" I wrote down on a piece of paper. When done, I had a larger list than I expected, so I eliminated anything that was "marginally interesting" and anything I didn't feel like I had a real aptitude for. I then the remaining were sorted by interest level followed by eliminated the least interesting of them. The 8 or so that remained were areas where I felt I had real ability AND the topics were fascinating. I then sorted these according to my views on long term “employability” and “potential income” (2 different sorts). At or near the top of both columns was “B.S. in Software Engineering” (with a minor in Math), which was also among the things I thought would be the most interesting and I had significant ability in that area (having taught myself to program (including both binary and assembly work) when stuck in a wheel chair for a year and using it on some unrelated jobs).

That was my choice and I’ve been very happy since starting down that path. Once the “core” was out of the way, the balance of my classes and electives were both fascinating and relatively easy to maintain a 4.0 in my field of study. Choosing the RIGHT field makes all the difference to your happiness both in College and after putting that degree to work. I know others who were more-or-less coerced into Engineering by family or guidance councilor types, many are now under employed or not using their degrees due to the “glut” mentioned, or growing to hate everything about it. They made the mistake of not choosing something RIGHT for them. Another long time friend with a more liberal arts bent and a MAJOR aptitude and interest for history and such wound up with a Poly Sci degree and unable to find a job without relocating which he is not willing or able to do (for several valid reasons). He’s now gone back for a teaching cert and struggling to get a job as a HS teacher. His mistake was choosing something with only limited employability, at least not for his chosen life. You need both to build a happy and full life.

Just my opinion...

lynnl
09-21-2006, 05:47 PM
Here's the advice my first AF commander gave me: Find a sweet, beautiful woman to marry who is wealthy!
He said it's just as easy to love a rich woman as a poor one.
I guess I'll never know if that's true or not (sigh).

Mcgyver
09-21-2006, 08:59 PM
Find a sweet, beautiful woman to marry who is wealthy!
).

I was always told the secret to happiness was to find a woman with great beauty, a woman who was great in bed and a woman who was an excellent housekeeper and mother.

..... and just make sure the three never meet!

RobDee
09-21-2006, 10:40 PM
It’s funny you guys are talking about beautiful women. I just had this discussion with someone and I consider the biggest flaw in my character, not to mention the biggest mistakes in my life were attributed to my fondness for attractive women.

I always went for the knock out women as a young man, to bad they had nothing in common with me, my talents, aptitudes or the things that brought pleasure. In fact to be perfectly blunt most were horrible disappointments in bed too. They spent a lot of time looking in mirrors and buying clothes. I guess you could say it was their hobby, wasn’t mine however. Why do we think that beautiful women are great lovers, lots of fun and just perfect to be with? To much TV I guess.
My perspective on that went down in flames, screaming and yelling right up to the instant it hit the ground and left a hole the size of Ohio.

The women I like aren’t afraid to get their hands dirty, are very creative and have a passion for life well beyond what you can put in a shopping cart. They don’t necessarily like what I like but they like what they like so much that I’m interested in knowing about it.

It’s not that I don’t like sex. Frankly it’s a lot of fun but it doesn’t get you through life. It’s no help when your brother dies too young from cancer and you need someone who is really a genuine person to talk to and be consoled by.

My opinion. Find someone you can trust, who laughs at herself when she makes a mistake, who, at the end of the day is still your best friend and who, at the end of your life and hers, you are both still best friends. After lots of women and lots of relationships that’s what I came to and that’s what gave me lasting joy in my life. If she’s nice to look at that’s fine, just don’t make it priority one. Leave that stupidity for Hollywood.

RobDee
09-21-2006, 11:11 PM
Here's the advice my first AF commander gave me: Find a sweet, beautiful woman to marry who is wealthy!
He said it's just as easy to love a rich woman as a poor one.
I guess I'll never know if that's true or not (sigh).

I’ll bet he wasn’t rich and I’ll bet his wife wasn’t beautiful.

Dollars to donuts he wasn’t any happier then anyone else on the planet because he’s making two huge mistakes.

Number one:
Beautiful women can make me happy.
Ask yourself this question. Why will a beautiful woman make me happy?
Here’s the problem. We’re lonely, despondent, whatever. For some ungodly reason we think that if we had this beautiful woman that will all change. Sorry, it doesn’t. The only time you can have lasting happiness in a relationship is if you are happy with yourself before you go into the relationship. If you’re not than the miserable unhappy person you are and she is will eventually emerge and the relationship will be a wash. We want happiness from outside ourselves, to bad it doesn’t work that way.

Number two:
Money can make me happy.
It can’t. If I’m a miserable, lonely dweeb then I’ll just be a miserable lonely dweeb with money. You’ll never know if the people who surround you are your friends or just leaches.

So go back and tell him he was wrong.

lynnl
09-22-2006, 10:47 AM
Actually he was just offering that advice in humerous vein. No, he wasn't rich, nor was his wife a raving beauty. They both were just childhood schoolmates from smalltown Oklahoma. And they certainly seemed to be an average, "happy couple".

You're right of course Robdee. Neither a beautiful wife nor wealth guarantee happiness. But likewise neither one would necessarily preclude it either.

Money doesn't buy happiness. But neither does poverty.
I personally can attest to the latter, better than the former! :D

WORMgearster
09-22-2006, 11:42 AM
RobDee you are quit the philospher... it seems that life has given you a higher education. The longer we live the more credits we accumulate toward our post graduate degree, and if we are smart enough to learn maybe life wouldn't require us to repeat some of those classes... like Bad Marriage 101.. Dead End Job 202.

Give me a friend and a companion as my spouse and than beauty has many different attributes. The loss of a brother, sister, friend, mother, father, spouse, child... changes us.

Higher education has and takes many different forms. Its how we use it that counts.

Evan
09-22-2006, 12:20 PM
WORMgearster,

You say you are a quality engineer in your profile. I have a feeling that you have some background as an educator. I have had a lot of contact with educators and the educational system over the years. Have you taught in an official capacity?

WORMgearster
09-22-2006, 01:00 PM
Evan... Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment. Actually outside of an 8th grade Sunday School Class and raising two kids thats the only teaching I have done. The jury is still out on how I did. Mostly, I am just the WORMgearster, a student of observation on the outside looking in.

When I look back on my life those with that most impacted me were teachers and coaches.

RobDee
09-22-2006, 08:52 PM
RobDee you are quit the philospher... it seems that life has given you a higher education. The longer we live the more credits we accumulate toward our post graduate degree, and if we are smart enough to learn maybe life wouldn't require us to repeat some of those classes... like Bad Marriage 101.. Dead End Job 202.

Give me a friend and a companion as my spouse and than beauty has many different attributes. The loss of a brother, sister, friend, mother, father, spouse, child... changes us.

Higher education has and takes many different forms. Its how we use it that counts.

Thanks. I learned a lot of those lessons the hard way, went through life made and lost money a few times so I’ve been on both sides of the fence. Been with beautiful women (physically) so I think I’m lucky. Not because they were beautiful but because I learned that outer beauty doesn’t add up to much. I guess if you’re never in the position to spend time with attractive women it’s hard to learn those lessons in life.

My honey is the best. We cook together, read to each other and take great interest in each others activities. I love here spinning and how she uses and grows herbs and she loves my inventions and electronic circuits.

I remember when my favorite cat got killed a few years ago and how comforting her hug was.
We’re older now and have had lots of hardships, family deaths along with the good times. I think there’s a great joy in growing old together with all the warts and hair growing out of every orifice on your body except your head.

We seem to have this idea that we have to look young and vibrant. We color our hair and shoot drugs into our wrinkles but it doesn’t change our soul, doesn’t change who we are inside and it’s inside that really counts. We keep looking over the fence at everyone else’s life as though it is better than our own. It’s not and our life is what we work at making it. How many happy people do you know? I mean really happy. Well I’m really happy and really blessed and it puzzles me to see people in the dark looking in all the wrong places for their happiness. If you want to find happiness the first place to look is your bathroom mirror.

Millman
09-22-2006, 11:20 PM
[[We seem to have this idea that we have to look young and vibrant. We color our hair and shoot drugs into our wrinkles but it doesn’t change our soul, doesn’t change who we are inside and it’s inside that really counts. We keep looking over the fence at everyone else’s life as though it is better than our own. It’s not and our life is what we work at making it. How many happy people do you know? I mean really happy. Well I’m really happy and really blessed and it puzzles me to see people in the dark looking in all the wrong places for their happiness. If you want to find happiness the first place to look is your bathroom mirror.]] Well.......you pretty much summed up everyone's life.....only the honest will admit it. You have created the life that everyone should share...but, you know that will never happen...so, carry on!!!

Ed Tipton
09-23-2006, 05:13 AM
I don't know if I would have made more money with a better education or not. I tend to doubt it though, although it nice to be able to blame your failures on the lack of a better education. Truth is, no matter how much money you will ever make, you will always be broke...only on a different level. You will never make enough money to have everything you want in life, and most people would be better off just enjoying what they have and in making the most from what they have in their life. I guess the Army slogan of "be all you can be" is probably a pretty good way to go.
And yes, I do support the military, and I have confidence they will prevail. I'm not smart enough to know whether Bush and the boys have the answer or not, but I am smart enough to know that the Democrats and Liberals don't have either the answer or the where-with-all to resolve this mess we're in.