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Milacron of PM
09-20-2006, 12:27 PM
So OT, I wouldn't blame Neil a bit to zap this thread...but here goes anyway....cuz I really am curious. A Wolfie comment got me to thinking about something I've not figured out.....and that is, why do some men actually need drugs like Viagra ?? I mean, it seems like one would have to have an erection to truly be "aroused" so if you are not "aroused" in the first place, then why is it so important to get that way ?? (I'm thinking older guys, who's wives are in "take it or leave it" mode with regards to sex)

Or is the issue mostly one of getting aroused and getting erection, but then loosing it halfway thru the event ?

Is it possible to be aroused and yet have yur tool still hanging there like a limp rag ??

Jest curious what the hell this whole Viagra thing is all about ! :D

Allan Waterfall
09-20-2006, 12:37 PM
It's a known fact that if you suck a Viagra pill instead of swallowing it in one go, you get a stiff neck instead.:D

Allan

mrennie
09-20-2006, 12:40 PM
From what I recall reading is a magazine, this is how it works:

-to have an erection, your brain receives the appropriate stimulus, which starts an increase of blood flow to the penis

-there are small valves in the penis that contract, and by doing so, prevent the flow of blood back to the heart, which basically results in the penis getting "pumped up" because the blood has nowhere to go.


Before Viagra (and variants) came along, the trend was to try and increase the blood flow to the penis. The Viagra solution was to focus on the valves instead, and try to get them to close tighter, to work with a smaller blood supply. Apparently it works, as they seem to be making alot of money.

I am suspecting that using Viagra when you don't need it is like using Super unleaded gasoline in your lawn more, but I haven't tried it so I don't know for sure.

A serious answer to a serious question, so don't bother flaming me.....

Milacron of PM
09-20-2006, 12:51 PM
A serious answer to a serious question, so don't bother flaming me.....

Good info, but I still don't "get" the apparent popularity of the stuff.

Occured to me after I posted that some guys here could probably give the real scoop exactly but might be too embarassed to respond ! To that I say, re register in another name just for this thread ! ;)

Evan
09-20-2006, 01:01 PM
Viagra doesn't give you an erection, it does help increase the blood flow to the penis. You still need the mental stimulation to activate the nerve centers in the brain that cause the appropriate muscles to contract which restrict the outflow of blood. In many cases of ED the problem is insufficient supply of blood which can be a result of arterial sclerosis, a very common condition. Viagra inhibits an enzyme that causes blood vessels to contract which would restrict blood flow as adrenaline is increased. By causing the blood vessels to dilate instead this allows for increased blood supply and better performance.

Oh yeah, seems an appropriate topic for one of my favorite quotes:

"God made man with both a brain and a penis but unfortunately only enough blood to run one at a time".

mochinist
09-20-2006, 01:14 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impotent

old-biker-uk
09-20-2006, 01:19 PM
from another board:

Old Male Golfer
An elderly gentleman went to the local drug store and asked the Pharmacist for the little blue "Viagra" pill.
The pharmacist asked "How many?"
The man replied, "Just a few, maybe a half dozen I cut each one into four
pieces."
The pharmacist said, "That's too small a dose. That won't get you through
intimacy."
The old fellow said, "Oh, I'm past eighty years old and I don't even think
about intimacy much anymore. I just want it to stick out far enough so I
don't pee on my new golf shoes.

Tim125
09-20-2006, 01:23 PM
If you don't have ED to begin with, viagra reduces the refractory period to nil after climax, no need for a nap or sandwich, just keep going and going like the energizer bunny and I think that's why it's so popular.

BadDog
09-20-2006, 01:28 PM
I seem to recall that the young bucks have become a significant consumer for just that reason... But I have to wonder, are they enjoying it, or is it just giving them the big head?

mklotz
09-20-2006, 02:07 PM
Hey, Dave, can you tell me who wrote this:

OT posts should be for asking advice or presently (sic) advice on a non
machining related subject, but, ideally, of a technical nature.

Non technically related questions, such as health related are ok if you're
desperate or have valuable insights on same to offer.

mochinist
09-20-2006, 02:11 PM
I seem to recall that the young bucks have become a significant consumer for just that reason... But I have to wonder, are they enjoying it, or is it just giving them the big head?took one a few years back(30 years old now) for the hell of it, it was fun for awhile, but even at a young age, you(and her) only have so much energy and 5 hours was too much for me.

And thats enough TMI for the day.:rolleyes:

Millman
09-20-2006, 02:14 PM
I might be a new member....but it sure works for the OLD member! I'll probably be the only one to admit it?? Sometimes 1 1/2 just to get the "Purple Haze".

John Stevenson
09-20-2006, 02:16 PM
5 hours ????????

Do they work in a coolant tank ?

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Milacron of PM
09-20-2006, 03:04 PM
Hey, Dave, can you tell me who wrote this:

OT posts should be for asking advice or presently (sic) advice on a non
machining related subject, but, ideally, of a technical nature.

Non technically related questions, such as health related are ok if you're
desperate or have valuable insights on same to offer.

A fellow named "Don" wrote that for the Practical Machinist forum.

Have you perhaps noticed this is not the Practical Machinist forum ? ;)

tonydacrow
09-20-2006, 03:35 PM
Did you guys hear about the truck-load of Viagra that was car-jacked in New York City?

The Police say they're looking for hardened criminals

Evan
09-20-2006, 04:09 PM
Top Ten Slogans Currently Being Considered by Viagra

10. "Viagra. The quicker di cker upper" 9. "One-a-day, like iron"
8. "Get a piece of the rock"
7. "You've come a long way, baby"
6. "Viagra, it plumps when you take 'em"
5. "Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman
4. "Tastes great, more filling"
3. "Viagra, built ram tough"
2. "Here's the beef!"
... and the number one slogan being considered by Viagra:
1. Just do her.

laddy
09-20-2006, 04:16 PM
It is used alot in old folks homes to keep the men from rolling out of bed.

IOWOLF
09-20-2006, 06:33 PM
Now just look what I've started. :)

I think Marv K said it best above,without saying some moderators would have canned this thread quickly.Different site different rules,or just don't worry about the rules.

LarryinLV
09-20-2006, 07:53 PM
OT ???? Are you sure????

Every machinist and engineer I know has always been concerned with the rigidity of his tool and how long it will last.

torker
09-20-2006, 07:59 PM
Hmmm...I bet DT wouldn't dare ask this question on his site.

Milacron of PM
09-20-2006, 08:06 PM
Hmmm...I bet DT wouldn't dare ask this question on his site.

I would "dare" but I figured more codgers over here more likely to know the scoop ;)

Plus it is too OT for PM, but I figure "anything goes" here, so why not ? I set the guidelines for PM, I sure as heck don't set them for here !

LarryinLV
09-20-2006, 08:24 PM
On a more serious note.

The onset of diabetes, prostate issues, an old war injury, or even an elevated LDL Cholesterol count can affect the old putter.

This could cost you your marriage (I know, I know, an understanding woman, blah, blah...too bad life isn't really like that)... Viagra, or the others of it's sort, can bring the romance back.

If you waited too long to seek medical help and the marriage went south. What do you do?

If you're trying to spark a new romance and the spark is all you can manage but the fire won't light, or it just flickers and dies; you can have a shot at a happy life again.

After effects: These drugs can change a cranky old curmudgeon into a respectable human being.

darryl
09-20-2006, 08:25 PM
OT? Probably not. As Larry said, the rigidity of the tool. etc- not to mention issues of contraction and expansion, also through-hole coolant. Might be ideal for machining copper. And somehow it's related to the 'chip off the old block' :)

Evan
09-20-2006, 08:27 PM
There is also the very significant issue of the highly nonlinear coefficient of contraction with temperature.

rsr911
09-20-2006, 08:47 PM
Around here it's used as a party drug. I'm 36 now and tried one about 4-5 years ago. Basically I was able to last longer and cycle faster, nothing that cannot be obtained with the proper exercises (I think they're called kegal?) and proper diet. I also found sobriety adds a lot to my abilities. These days my wife gets tired long before I do, largely because I take good care of myself and she doesn't take good care of herself. Wish they had a little blue pill for wives.

I found out my 79 year old boss was given Viagra by his doctor to help with blood pressure. He always tells me the story of when he got married of how he told his wife if she ever weigh more than him it would be grounds for divorce and she told him if his "plumbing" ever quit working it would be grounds for divorce, maybe he's trying to avoid the lawyers LOL :)

thistle
09-20-2006, 08:52 PM
I am sure DT would only need the sight of a couple of Deckels and a bevy of frauliens in leiderhosen lovingly polishing said machines to get the same effect!

Milacron of PM
09-20-2006, 09:36 PM
I am sure DT would only need the sight of a couple of Deckels and a bevy of frauliens in leiderhosen lovingly polishing said machines to get the same effect!
LOL ! Yeah, bring 'em on ! :)

wierdscience
09-20-2006, 10:49 PM
Seriously:Viagra is also showing promse in the treatment of congestive heart failure.I read one study that showed a 35% average increase in heart function of nearly all the patients that participated.Sometimes something novel becomes something more.

Not so serious-

What does Viagra have in common with Disney world?Paying too much and waiting too long for a 10 minute ride:D

Have you heard the tale of the 12y/o boy that took ten Viagra tablets?He was hospitalized with 3rd degree burns on both palms:D

"WARNING" When taking Viagra,if you experience an erection that lasts more than five hours,call someone and bragg about it:D

rsr911
09-20-2006, 11:12 PM
As I recall Viagra was a "mistake" originally being developed for heart patients or something, the male test candidates reported increased arousal.

EDIT:

Yup, right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viagra

dp
09-21-2006, 12:42 AM
So OT, I wouldn't blame Neil a bit to zap this thread...but here goes anyway....cuz I really am curious. A Wolfie comment got me to thinking about something I've not figured out.....and that is, why do some men actually need drugs like Viagra ?? I mean, it seems like one would have to have an erection to truly be "aroused" so if you are not "aroused" in the first place, then why is it so important to get that way ?? (I'm thinking older guys, who's wives are in "take it or leave it" mode with regards to sex)

Or is the issue mostly one of getting aroused and getting erection, but then loosing it halfway thru the event ?

Is it possible to be aroused and yet have yur tool still hanging there like a limp rag ??

Jest curious what the hell this whole Viagra thing is all about ! :D

After my heart attack last year I've been on a number of meds that keep the tool out of service. Naturally things like viagra and cialis are optional but there comes a time when you have to accept the inevitable and the next stage of life with dignity. Life has been good - I'm not going to let this drag me down.

Now if I were still 15 I'd probably have another view of things entirely.

JRouche
09-21-2006, 01:29 AM
Haa, I still get stiff joints when the wind blows...Dont imagine V in my future...

John Stevenson
09-21-2006, 03:29 AM
After my heart attack last year I've been on a number of meds that keep the tool out of service. Naturally things like viagra and cialis are optional but there comes a time when you have to accept the inevitable and the next stage of life with dignity. Life has been good - I'm not going to let this drag me down.



Mine never been that big to drag me down :D

Anyway now I don't have to bother with all this rigmorole it lets me get the extra ten minutes in the shop or looking for machine tools, far more rewarding..........

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Milacron of PM
09-21-2006, 09:39 AM
it lets me get the extra ten minutes in the shop or looking for machine tools

LMAO ! :D

Wirecutter
09-21-2006, 12:15 PM
Another on a serious note, though. Side effects of Viagra include flushing (red face) and congestion in the sinuses due to swelling.

It's actually kind of funny if you spot it, like in the dining area on a cruise vacation.

A.K. Boomer
09-21-2006, 12:18 PM
So whats the deal with the 5 hour Ja-boinker? Is the blood stagnant --- that sounds like it could be serious and maybe even create a gange green thing going on, I think rsr911 has the right idea about just taking care of yourself with diet and exercise, the only supplement i take that may be directly related to said topic is DHEA and iv been taking this for over 15 years, it gives me more power on my bike and at the gym and is said to improve stamina in the bedroom also --- all i can say is nothings really changed in 15 years so i guess thats a good thing, when i first got on it i got a little acne and i was over thirty at the time, I have no desire to try viagra as my Ja-boinker has to much control over my life already, I think its important to realize Women are strange creatures, If you satisfy them in one way they will complain about the other way, another words, you can crank them a really good one (or two or three) but then they will say that you lack intimacy and all you want to do is you know what ---- I dont do well in this catagory, im not a "mushy huggy feely" kind of guy and most girls end up taking offence to this, they dont make a pill yet for this "fix" and if they did i dont think i would want to take it, gotta be me even if it means i end up alone im fine with that.

dp
09-21-2006, 07:39 PM
So whats the deal with the 5 hour Ja-boinker? Is the blood stagnant --- that sounds like it could be serious and maybe even create a gange green thing going on

Google 'priapism'.

rsr911
09-22-2006, 01:10 AM
So whats the deal with the 5 hour Ja-boinker? Is the blood stagnant --- that sounds like it could be serious and maybe even create a gange green thing going on, I think rsr911 has the right idea about just taking care of yourself with diet and exercise, the only supplement i take that may be directly related to said topic is DHEA and iv been taking this for over 15 years, it gives me more power on my bike and at the gym and is said to improve stamina in the bedroom also --- all i can say is nothings really changed in 15 years so i guess thats a good thing, when i first got on it i got a little acne and i was over thirty at the time, I have no desire to try viagra as my Ja-boinker has to much control over my life already, I think its important to realize Women are strange creatures, If you satisfy them in one way they will complain about the other way, another words, you can crank them a really good one (or two or three) but then they will say that you lack intimacy and all you want to do is you know what ---- I dont do well in this catagory, im not a "mushy huggy feely" kind of guy and most girls end up taking offence to this, they dont make a pill yet for this "fix" and if they did i dont think i would want to take it, gotta be me even if it means i end up alone im fine with that.



One thing that both my wife and I have noticed is that when I'm lifting on a regular basis my sex drive is greater. I attribute this to increased testosterone along with the stress release from a good workout. I just got back to the weights after nearly 2.5 years since I fell out of a tree. I've been riding my bike all along but wanted to give my back a chance to fully heal. Since I'm small framed my workout is a building rather than strength workout and that also helps the sex drive. I feel better about myself when I'm pumped up a bit, even the way I carry myself changes, I'm more self assured. On the other hand when my wife is in one of her grumpy depressive states I'm totally turned off and my eyes wander towards just about any woman that is pleasant towards me. She's lucky I'm not the cheating kind.

Of course having an 8 year old around has cut back on those long fun nights, we try to get her to stay with the grandparents at least one night a week. It's just too hard to go at it all night when you have to be up for work in the morning, when the little one is away we have an early dinner, make a pot of Chai tea and climb into the sack.

As far as Viagra goes, if I ever need it I'll talk to my doctor as I don't see any problem getting medical help for a medical problem no matter what it is.

Oh, one more thing. Meditation, fantastic for reducing stress and clearing the mind. Sex after a good sit is exhilarating. I meditate at least once everyday and since I've started lots of things in my life seem better.

Tuckerfan
09-22-2006, 03:35 AM
My brother, who has to take it due to prostate removal, says that in addition to the desired effects, it helps with his arthritis.

John Stevenson
09-22-2006, 03:43 AM
You know when you are changing chuck jaws on a three jaw ? and no matter which way you position the chuck one of the bas#~rds falls in the sh#t tray ?

Do you reckon a smear of viagra will help keep that bugger in place ?

Failing that what about using Viagra pills as rubbing surfaces on a 3 point steady. That will stop the flex :D

.

Evan
09-22-2006, 09:29 AM
Viagra also increases athletic performance at high altitudes for about 40% of people tested.

Allan Waterfall
09-22-2006, 09:40 AM
Viagra also increases athletic performance at high altitudes for about 40% of people tested.

That'd be all the old men rushing upstairs to try it.:D

Allan

laddy
09-22-2006, 10:16 AM
Radio just had an advertisement for the new Viagra sublingual. Dissolve it under your tongue for even faster absorption and quicker response.

Evan
09-22-2006, 10:59 AM
The likely reason they aren't selling something similar for women is that they are afraid of all the wrongful death lawsuits that would occur from the family of the dear departed husband who suffered morte in flagrante delicto.

mrennie
09-22-2006, 12:30 PM
Something I've always wondered about is how medicine ends up being found good for something other than it was intended. So if Viagra was an 'accident' because it was really designed for something else, I can see the discovery if the drug trials patients told them, but what about other drugs?

Here is the one that kills me (you might find this funny). I occasionally get hemi's from too much standing or sitting, and one day I was reading the box of Preparation H and one of the ingredients is "shark liver oil".

I want to know how someone came up with the idea to go kill a shark, remove it's organs, process the oil, and wipe it on their a$$ to make the itching go away. Seriously! Why would someone think of this? Did they get a trial group of people with hemmoroids and ask them to wipe various items on their butts to see if they found any relief???? That doesn't seem very scientific to me.....

Evan
09-22-2006, 12:38 PM
Maybe they noticed that shark wrestlers never have hemorrhoids. Have you ever seen a shark wrestler with hemorrhoids? Neither have I. :D

A.K. Boomer
09-22-2006, 02:19 PM
Something I've always wondered about is how medicine ends up being found good for something other than it was intended. So if Viagra was an 'accident' because it was really designed for something else, I can see the discovery if the drug trials patients told them, but what about other drugs?

Here is the one that kills me (you might find this funny). I occasionally get hemi's from too much standing or sitting, and one day I was reading the box of Preparation H and one of the ingredients is "shark liver oil".

I want to know how someone came up with the idea to go kill a shark, remove it's organs, process the oil, and wipe it on their a$$ to make the itching go away. Seriously! Why would someone think of this? Did they get a trial group of people with hemmoroids and ask them to wipe various items on their butts to see if they found any relief???? That doesn't seem very scientific to me.....





Just when you think that it would be imposible for this discussion to be able to take a turn for the worse -------- I'll try to at least get it back on track a little on accidental discoveries --- Scotchguard was supposed to be something else but a guy had an accident in the lab and spilled some on his new tennis shoes,,, months later he notices that the shoes were very dirty everywhere except where the "accident" occured...

On the other thing --- the ancients tested everything by trail and error and had a wealth of know how but most is lost because it was a generation to generation thing, no files of paper or computer, although i think that maybe they had some kind of limits about rubbing a shark liver on thier butt holes, it just might get them thrown out of the tribe or perhaps maybe something even worse..

Evan
09-22-2006, 02:32 PM
tested everything by trail and error

:D

You want "trail and error"? Have a look at this. This is a good friend of mine in this video. We have some of the best biking terrain around here of anywhere.

http://www.puddlebike.com/Videos/wmv/thecrash.wmv

A.K. Boomer
09-22-2006, 02:47 PM
Good God did he ever "rag doll" it, did he get busted up at all?, thats a brutal run, The kids these days are doing stuff I never would have dreamed of when i was young, i dont care that they have 8"+ of sus. travel front and rear, its still totally nuts, thanks for the video though --- good stuff, looks like he knew he was out of track so he had to lay it down and scrub some serious speed.

Evan
09-22-2006, 03:09 PM
Randy wasn't badly hurt but he did have some serious scrapes and bruises. He is one of the top riders in BC but isn't interested in competing for some reason.

The WL bike club web site is here:

http://www.puddlebike.com/index.htm

Millman
09-22-2006, 11:24 PM
I had this girlfriend......then she had me.....

dp
09-23-2006, 12:35 AM
Mine never been that big to drag me down :D

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Well, I did mention that life has been good! ;)

John Stevenson
09-23-2006, 05:20 AM
Lets look at it logically.
Say twice a week, allow 45 minutes to work up to it and 20 minutes for the act and possibly 10 minutes for the wind down.

That's 150 minutes per week, allow 39 weeks per year because of other influences etc and that's 5850 minutes, nearly 100 hours or four and a bit days.

Bloody hell 4 days gets me some serious time in the shop, remember these are 24 hour days so that's more like 7 to 8 days working.
That gets you to every show in the UK with time to spare.

It's not like you are learning anything new, all been done before.
Imagine standing in front of a capstan lathe for 12 days of 8 hour shifts making the same part over and over again.

Yuk..................................

speedy
09-23-2006, 06:11 AM
Google 'priapism'.

Is that the same as "lovers balls" or "blue balls"?
My Grandfather warned me of the consequences of not using it within a reasonable timeframe. Painfull:D
Jim was a good bastard.

The reason we have erections is to give the brain a rest

Locksmith
09-23-2006, 11:26 PM
For those of you out there that have spent all your money on tooling and don't have anything left, I offer this suggestion for the Poor Man's Viagra :
TO wit: Stretch it out, spray it with spray starch and let dry. Supposed to be good for an hour.
Of course, I can't say I've tried this...