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03-21-2003, 07:45 PM
OK, this is a change of topic from the boycotts and other statements made on this list serve. Whether you agree with the war in Iraq or not the military is there, and I hope they are successful, and there are few casualties on any side.

I had a design professor at school who had a large sign in his room that said "livingry", the inference being that humanity would be better if the world focused on making things that made our lives better rather than making them more dangerous like weaponry.

Before I get the hate mail, I realize almost everyone has to come to this party before it would be successful, but could you tell me what the companies you work for have done to contribute to livingry instead of weaponry? Some/many do both. Example, I recently met with some engineers that help to make over the horizon military radar. Their system is also used to make Doppler radar for detection of weather systems. They also make sonar for large ships that makes it safer to dock ships, military or not.

I teach seniors in High School. Many things are worth fighting for, I just hope they get to make peace and not war when they graduate.


Dave Opincarne
03-21-2003, 08:58 PM
Good idea Matt. I make patterns for a foundry that makes custom track work. A lot of the patterns I make are for public transportation. These include Philadelphia (SEPTA), Chicago (CTA), Los Angeles (LAL) and San Fransisco (SFM) Lately I've been doing a lot of work for San Fransisco's new line to the air port. Some of the members in the bay area may end up riding over some of my work.

I've also worked as a composite toolmaker for a company that made a lot of parts for Boeing. I've worked on tools to make parts for all of Boeing's models, from the 707 to the 777. I've also done some work for some of the military applications but we won't go into that now. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

I've also moonlighted as a machinist for a guy that had a small sheet metal shop which ultimatly supplied Boeing. He took on a real machining job and didn't know how to get it done so he gave me a call. The parts were custom shaped wrench heads that would be fitted to torque wrench handles. They were for tightening the pintle bolts on I belive the 737 rudder assembly.

I like making things that appear very early in the manufacturing process.


03-21-2003, 11:58 PM
They let me retire! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//cool.gif

Neil Peters

03-22-2003, 08:30 PM
Thanks Dave,
Guess this was a bad time to ask the question. I work with some people through our HS that make medical equipment. They make blood pressure cuffs, odoscopes, sigmoidoscopes, and the like, my brother works for a firm that makes thermometers that take your temp in the ear, they also make just about any other type of computer equipment like modems, scanners, etc.

Neil, I'm not implying anything, but did you mean that they let you retire thus the company was less dangerous? What the heck did you do for them? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif



03-22-2003, 09:07 PM
Yeh Matt, I guess you could say that. Way back when I designed carburators and fuel injection systems for GM and safety devices. In the aerospace industry I worked on both sides of the equation but enjoyed doing thrust reversers and environmental system valves for the soace station. A real challenge was doing gatling gun drives for the Phalanxs CWS to protecting naval vessels. Would not work on WMD type projects.

Neil Peters

Dave Opincarne
03-22-2003, 11:55 PM
On the contrary Matt, now is an excelent time to ask the question. Very Positive.

03-23-2003, 12:20 AM
I maintain and build dies for electric motor
parts. We make motors for everything. We
make motors for generators for the USAF.
Probably for their video games. I don't
like Air Force weenies, GO ARMY,
GO ARTILLERY. I also built a die to make
parts for a one man tent for the ARMY. The
tent was on the cover of US Cavalry, that
was my 15 seconds of fame. I also build dies to make gutter hangers(like on your house) and end cap dies for gutters.

03-23-2003, 05:39 AM
I used to work for a satellite phone company, and the same equipment being used by news reporters to beam back pictures in real time of the war, are being used by medical organziations (such as Doctors Without Borders) to help people in remote locations. Folks are also using them for aid requests and educational programs. Scientists use it to be able to transmit their findings directly from the field. Variations on the same equipment have been used for remote monitoring of things like wells, fault lines and volcanos to name just a few.

Your professor got the word "livingry" from R. Buckminster Fuller who coined the word (and was also a card carrying machinist). Bucky was brilliant, but he also had some pretty flaky ideas as well. (I've got a book of his where he "proves" PI=3!) Good things do come out of war, many of the medical techniques in use today were pioneered during war. One of the greatest periods of medical discovery was during the US Civil War because doctors were forced to throw out much of their training and try new things to find something that worked. (Skin grafting, for example, can trace its discovery to surgeons learning that an amputated limb will do better if you close a flap of skin over the wound, rather than trying to let it heal itself.)

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03-24-2003, 12:52 AM
I started life picking up garbage. I spent time selling future garbage. I tried to keep people from killing themselves while having "fun". Installed and certified fire alarms. Built electrical equipment, office furniture, high tech curtain wall windows.

And other stuff I cannot discuss.

I would like to say one thing. Just because I like a rifle that can shoot 2 miles does not mean that I am an animal. The skill of being able to hunt can be vital. The ability to master a weapon is a thing of beauty - bonding of man and machine. The machine is still nothing without the man.

All miltary research eventually finds its way into everyday life. It is not always a bad thing - it would be be worse to need it and not have it than to have it and not need it.

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03-24-2003, 02:48 PM
I make enough money to survive by "farming". The bad part is in order to make a living you HAVE to make the most of the government payments. I have a choice, I can eat and make the land payment from the government payment, or go back to the big city and take a job there and put one more person on unemployment. I like the country life way better.

Farming gives me many different jobs to do. Fixing machinery, welding and working the land are my favorite jobs.

I spent 12 years in retail electronics and 2 years in Banking, so I know the life off-farm, too.


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