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Spin Doctor
12-30-2006, 01:44 PM
Everybody has a favorite. Here's mine

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/markandannie/amx_nitrous.jpg

Used to have a '68 with 390 like this one. Fast enough for me

Now what's yours

topct
12-30-2006, 02:31 PM
This is very unturdlike,

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=16649

jkilroy
12-30-2006, 02:36 PM
Back when the shop had PLENTY of room, not like that anymore.

http://www.maxscient.com/images/my68_1.jpg

Evan
12-30-2006, 02:37 PM
Ask me something hard.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/gt40.jpg

Arcane
12-30-2006, 03:34 PM
I like 70 Novas. Mine is parked for the winter but this looks something like it, except I have all blacked out brightwork and it's painted a very dark green. http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-nova/images/chevrolet-nova-1970a.jpg

Joel
12-30-2006, 04:56 PM
I always thought the AMX was underrated Spin Doctor.
Here is a shot of my 70 Donohue:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/JoelinTX/javelin.jpg

gundog
12-30-2006, 05:44 PM
I had 2 of these when I was a teenager a 70 white like in the picture and a 73 it was also white both had the auto trans they would really move.
GD

http://www.transamtech.com/70_index.shtml

C - ROSS
12-30-2006, 06:18 PM
Darn
I wish that I had pictures of both of em.

#1 was a 57 Chev rag top factory 245 hp.
There wasn't a Patrol car in the area that
could catch it.

#2 was a 67 Ford gal 500 rag top with 390.
Quite a bit slower.

Fasttrack
12-30-2006, 06:24 PM
Here's a cool car:

http://galeria.forocoches.com/data/501/231Corvette_XP-755_Mako_Shark_1961.JPG

My favorite though:

Mako Shark II Concept Car

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n22/fasttrack237/Cars/1965_Chevrolet_Mako_Shark_II.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n22/fasttrack237/Cars/65chevrolet_mako_shark_ii_3.jpg

Failing the above:

1968 L88

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n22/fasttrack237/Cars/1968-corvette-l88-coupe.jpg

Or 1969 ZL-1 (the rarest corvette ever produced - this one is not an original, the original two were yellow and white)

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n22/fasttrack237/Cars/beauty.jpg


Here's where i stole the picture from:
http://www.vetteweb.com/features/vet_0311_1969_corvette_stingray_zl1/

Zuesdawg
12-30-2006, 06:33 PM
Ask me something hard.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/gt40.jpg


Ive got one of these, and a solid red one. Another red one with white stripe, one black, and a ford blue signed :eek: sitting in my work showroom (Ford stealer). Im in service :D



Gotta say, the Ford Blue one is my favorite

Im Bryan, btw... learning alot, still setting up my machine

topct
12-30-2006, 07:32 PM
Ive got one of these, and a solid red one. Another red one with white stripe, one black, and a ford blue signed :eek: sitting in my work showroom (Ford stealer). Im in service :D



Gotta say, the Ford Blue one is my favorite

Im Bryan, btw... learning alot, still setting up my machine

So what's your opinion of the new one? Are they going to be raced?

Evan
12-30-2006, 10:31 PM
I like the new one too but it isn't as no-compromise as the old Mk I and the Mk II. It was, in my opinion, the finest sports car ever produced in North America. It proved it by whipping the best of the rest twice at Le Mans. Corvette and Cobra aren't in the same catagory and nothing else comes close for an actual street legal production car.

SJorgensen
12-30-2006, 11:47 PM
I certainly don't want to start or pick any fights.

Turds or Gems it is such a subjective choice. Unfortunately I don't like Spin Doctors "Most" unturdlike car. To me it IS a definative turd car (based on styling only.)

Those particular Corvettes and Novas and the AMX are ALSO turd cars in my subjective view based on the styling only.

The Mustang and the Ford race car that Evan and Zuesdawg posted and are not turd cars.

Fasttrack
12-30-2006, 11:50 PM
I like the new one too but it isn't as no-compromise as the old Mk I and the Mk II. It was, in my opinion, the finest sports car ever produced in North America. It proved it by whipping the best of the rest twice at Le Mans. Corvette and Cobra aren't in the same catagory and nothing else comes close for an actual street legal production car.



Can someone say "Bugati" ? (in reference to the "nothing" )

No seriously, i think the original was a real super car. The old corvettes don't fall into super car category. I'm not impressed by the new ones though - for the money i'd rather a Z06. Where the Z06 didn't beat it, it came *very* close. Besides the i've heard horror stories about the new ones with leaky crankshafts due to an improper surface finish that Ford replaced with a speedi-sleeve, and cracked upper control arms since Ford tried some new squish casting techinque.

I mean i guess i would take one if someone gave it to me but... :D :D
They are cool cars but for my money i think i'd rather a Z06 over the new ones.

Fasttrack
12-30-2006, 11:51 PM
"Those particular Corvettes and Novas and the AMX are ALSO turd cars in my subjective view based on the styling only."



I should slap you...





:D

SJorgensen
12-31-2006, 12:05 AM
I like some Corvettes but my favorite car is the Shelby Cobra. I also like the Jaguar E-Type. I really like the new Mustang with the almost 1930'ish art-deco styling. Several manufacturers have tried to get back to that particular sense of style from the 1930's.

Those Ford Pintos and AMX cars and those particular Corvettes from the 1970's just don't have the juice.

motomoron
12-31-2006, 01:02 AM
I'd have a hard time justifying spending the better part of 3000 hours on a turd-like car, so I spent the time on this one. 100% DIY restoration starting with a repeatedly crashed, partially cut-apart, very incomplete race car. The upside? virtually zero rust!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/motomoron/DSC02297.jpg

HTRN
12-31-2006, 01:33 AM
I like the new one too but it isn't as no-compromise as the old Mk I and the Mk II. It was, in my opinion, the finest sports car ever produced in North America. It proved it by whipping the best of the rest twice at Le Mans. Corvette and Cobra aren't in the same catagory and nothing else comes close for an actual street legal production car.

Baloney. The Ford GT was one of the best racecars in the 60's and early 70's, but today?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/images/83860-4.jpg

a 720HP Ultima just took the 0-100-0 crown from the Bugatti Veyron. Elapsed time: 9.4 seconds. Engine was a heavily reworked Chevy. Used a Porsche G50 Transaxle. I personally would like to see one with a LS7 motor in one - 500HP from the factory, and capable of at least 200 more.


HTRN

Evan
12-31-2006, 01:41 AM
There was a guy in Berkeley that had one of the original Mk III GT 40s. He used to get it serviced at a shop on San Pablo Ave that I can't remember the name of right now. I used to be a member of the SCCA and we would hang around the shop to see some of the cars that came in like the GT40. The shop was one of those places where you could eat off the floor and the cars were worth more than the shop. The place looked like an operating room without the blood.

That GT40 was incredible. Absolutely perfect proportions that still look just as good today as they did then. The roof was about even with my belt line. Mid engine and perfect handling with tons of power even with the 390 hp 302. It's all about power to weight ratio which the Corvette never had, being constructed of lead. The original Mk II with the 427 only weighed 2000 lbs with oil and coolant. Cobra was fast as long as you like driving in a straight line. Incidentally, very few people have ever seen a Mk III. They only made seven of them.

Saw a De Tamaso Mangusta at the time and had a good look at it too. Nice looking car but I heard that as soon as you started driving it parts began falling off.

The GT40 was one of the fasted production cars ever made in the US. Top speed of the Mk IV was somewhere around 220 mph IIRC.

Fasttrack
12-31-2006, 01:47 AM
:eek: A ZL-1 doesnt "have the juice" ?? (notice my new use of the smiley :D)

Or a L88 ??

Just for quick reference since the ZL-1's are often overlooked (i guess only producing two of them does that) they had the ZL1 cast aluminum engine block. Several hundred were shipped over-seas for race appications and many dumped into camaros for NHRA applications. Even McLarens were using a modify ZL-1. Only 72 ended up in factory vehicles, the majority of which were for NHRA teams.

At only 500 lbs it produced a conservatively rated 440 hp stock and 5200 rpm. On the dyne, a stock ZL1 has been known to push a little over 500 hp. At the time it was the "fastest" engine chevy had ever produced.

In NHRA applications this engine was making gobs of horsepower.


L88 was no milksop either - it produced 430 hp stock (the same as the normal 427 but lighterweight, higher red line and other features that made it "race ready"



Granted by '72 things were starting to look ugly (engine and hp wise) but ... '68 or '69 or a mako shark?? At 3 million a pop they were pretty hot cars. Just as a note the Mako Shark I came out in '61 and the Mako Shark II was unveiled in '65

HTRN
12-31-2006, 02:04 AM
The GT40 was one of the fasted production cars ever made in the US. Top speed of the Mk IV was somewhere around 220 mph IIRC.

The Ultima is basically a street legal GT-P car. It has more HP, better aerodynamics and handling, monsterous tires(335/35/ZR-18) and brakes(13" AP racing discs and Calipers)

It logged a 1.176g on the skidpad around a 200foot dia. circle. The best the GT-40 has managed is a .99

220mph? At least 1 owner has done that in Montana on the highway, if one of the major car rags is to be believed. It has gone to 231mph, but ran out of gear. a 6 speed with an overdrive would probably raise the topspeed higher.

It owns virtually every roadcar record on the books. What it would take to beat it is something labeled "Cosworth", but you're not going to be able to put plates on THAT.:D

The really sick thing about this car is the cost: $90K shipped to the US minus engine and transaxle. Considering that it's nearest competition is mid six to low 7 figures, it's pretty impressive.

I wonder what it would do with a intercooled, twin turbo Schuebeck?:eek:


HTRN

Fasttrack
12-31-2006, 02:07 AM
"It's all about power to weight ratio which the Corvette never had, being constructed of lead. "




Never had until the last couple of years you mean.
From Edmunds:

"These numbers certainly put the 2006 Corvette Z06 in company with some of the fastest cars ever produced. Only the Enzo Ferrari, McLaren F1, Saleen S7 and Porsche Carrera GT are clearly quicker than this Chevrolet, and each of those cars is made in very limited numbers while costing between $400,000 and $1,000,000. Other contenders, like the Ferrari F430, Ford GT and Lamborghini Gallardo, offer about equal straight-line performance — but at two-to-three times the Z06's cost of entry. "

Don't forget the Mallett Corvettes from '97 either ... 4.5 lbs/hp

I realize its not a supercar like the GT-40 but for my money i say a new corvette beats the new Ford GT anyday.

p.s. fiberglass isn't lead... i promise :D point taken however

p.p.s. The GT-40 really is a beautiful car and at what like 4 lbs/hp its a beast no doubt about it.

Fasttrack
12-31-2006, 02:09 AM
Hey what about the Catterham Super 7 's

Those are hott cars...

note the double "t" for emphasis

Evan
12-31-2006, 02:19 AM
The Ultima is basically a street legal GT-P car. It has more HP, better aerodynamics and handling, monsterous tires(335/35/ZR-18) and brakes(13" AP racing discs and Calipers)

Maybe, but it be ugly.

A.K. Boomer
12-31-2006, 03:06 AM
All I can say is most of you guys are really showing your age, and its not a pretty sight...:p

#66B
12-31-2006, 09:30 AM
Just add a little water, clay, with a little anger, run over someones wheel, & you got yourself a twisted & balled up mess of a turd, & a heck of a project to get them unturdlike fhttp://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/66BBB/100_0604.jpgor the next weekend.

Norman Atkinson
12-31-2006, 10:29 AM
The street legal McLaren F1 owned by--
NORAW ATKINSON

Bugger, bugger, bugger you, Black Adder.

Ah, well. We got a Mercedes 230SLK and a Mercedes C270D Estate.
Both are not quite 'hairdressers cars'
Both are in the garage- and NOT in the imagination or any other bit of green snot. Not quite in cousin Rowan's league but both will do 146 on a fair day.
Sorry, son, Richard buggered the Lotus Elise. Sorry, Madam, shagged her Spit and the other Merc. There was a 997cc Mini Cooper which became a 1043cc one but- well, that was a long time ago.

I keep putting my name down for the backseat of a Panavia Tornado GR1 but the new Squadron boss thinks that I am joking and says that I 'll be sick!

Cheers from this ancient turd! Got my name down for a ---- but that will be 1st April 2007.

Happy New Whatsit for 2007- and Many of Them.
Hic!

Norm

Wirecutter
12-31-2006, 02:03 PM
Ahhh, "non-turd" cars - I have so many favorites - it depends on the occasion or "intended use".

For raw performance that I might possibly be able to afford, I'd get the Ariel Atom. Also barely street legal, and most certainly a fair-weather only car. Seriously fast and agile.

Although they're not so fast or agile, I really like the early 60's vintage of the Mercedes 230SL type vehicles. Sure, there are many things those cars are not, but I just like them.

For utility, a 4wd Dodge Ram 2500 with the Cummins deisel would suit me fine.

While I'm dreaming, I'd like one of the original Minis, well tuned and cared for. It would be a hoot for around-town driving, and I could park it in the bed of the Dodge pickup.

Here on the ground on planet Earth, I settle for a Japanese sedan that pretty much does what it's told without putting me to sleep or giving me maintenance hassles.

I think Jay Leno should just give me open access to his collection. I'm sure I could work with that. :D

-Mark

Wirecutter
12-31-2006, 02:05 PM
The street legal McLaren F1 owned by--
NORAW ATKINSON

Bugger, bugger, bugger you, Black Adder.


Seriously? Black Adder owns an F1? Does Baldrick drive a Ferrari, then? :D

-Mark

Norman Atkinson
12-31-2006, 03:06 PM
Mark,
Rowan did have one---- and keeping in the family tradition--------BENT IT. Google it up- why not?

A year or so ago, my missus and I were coming up North on the A31 in France. Bit of cuckoo clock hols in Austria. Brit car with registration ROW4N came past us like sh1t off a shovel. Hurtled in for gas and hurtled past us again. Suppose that it was Ole Slackbladder having been to a MotorSport event. Rowan learned to drive a Morris Minor- minus front wings at Dad's farm- just a hadful of miles from here and then he took a full Heavy Goods Vehicle licence, which I understand he still holds. Do remember that he was no slouch on the racing circuit either.
I would guess that the Mr Bean stunts were his own work.

As for Baldrick, I really haven't a clue about the Ferrari but Tony Robinson is also a successful historian on TV. Did a fascinating article( not too boring?) on what was Douglas Bader, Reach for the Sky man's Spitty which crashed near Bethune in northern France. Remember the kite had virtually gone into a ploughed field vertically. Baldrick's team found it but " no artificial legs" but there was a leather flying helmet------ with DB painted on it.
'Cept as they say in the best novels, Bader's old helmet hadn't DB on it.
The Spitfire belonged to another pilot with the same initials! So where Bader's kite is still a guess.

Oh, and - well, would you believe, I left my copy of the Blackadder scripts in France- yet again. You see Madam left her Merc there, too. it's odder still to think that in almost the same place as our crash site, there is another British plane's wreckage. I'm rambling on- but there are now three cars which left the road on that icy bend- and there are flowers for the occupants of two of them!

If we are making it a bit of a film buffs story- and why not, it overlooks where the film "the Italian Job" was made.

You don't have to believe it- but it is true

Cheers

Norm

And Mark, I did a Baldrick Google- after doing the rest by the seat of my pants!

Tony R did the voice over for the ----------Dare I? Not the Ferrari. Sorry, Mark!

Ahem, a turnip powered Honda Jazz.

BadDog
12-31-2006, 04:28 PM
I had a 72 L-82 that was "tweaked", it was anything but slow.

But my favorites have always been the Coke Bottle Pontiacs. Particularly the 66/67 GTO of which I owned several including a 64k mile original '66 389 Tri Power 4 speed with factory LS, Air, and power everything and Ralley I wheels. <sigh> Wish I had it back...

HTRN
12-31-2006, 06:16 PM
Maybe, but it be ugly.

Says you old man!:p :D

Next you'll be dissing the new Hemi Challenger(Please Dr. Z, make it the 392 crate motor!)
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/02/challenger06.jpg


HTRN

gundog
12-31-2006, 06:26 PM
HTRN,
I like that, when I was much younger I always wanted a Challenger or a Cuda. That looks almost like the old Challenger / Cuda body style gota love those retro cars. I was never a Ford Mustang guy but I did like some of the shelby and Boss mustangs and Fords retro mustang is cool also. I wish Chevy would make a retro Camaro like they have talked about but I have yet to see one driving around.
GD

Willy
12-31-2006, 06:48 PM
Here's one driving down the street,but likely you won't see one on your street till "09".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5aZkQrNnx0&mode=related&search=

Sure beats watching Sadam swinging.

HTRN
12-31-2006, 06:57 PM
HTRN,
I like that, when I was much younger I always wanted a Challenger or a Cuda. That looks almost like the old Challenger / Cuda body style gota love those retro cars. I was never a Ford Mustang guy but I did like some of the shelby and Boss mustangs and Fords retro mustang is cool also. I wish Chevy would make a retro Camaro like they have talked about but I have yet to see one driving around.
GD

Daimler Chrysler finally realized that they'll never make any money competing with the japanese(after all, why not just by an econobox in the first place?), but that they're core market is making things like the Challenger. Ford is beginning to get a clue, but they still put that asmatic runt 4.6L in everything. Cheverolet? If anybody there had an inkling what people would want, they'd stop making crap like the new "GTO"(Does it scream GTO to anybody but marketing?), they'd do a retrostyle Camaro that resembles a first gen, and offer an "SS" version with a tweaked 8.1L as an option, and do a 100 car/year run of "COPO" LS7's.

Instead of this:
http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/new_camaro_spec.jpg

They decided to produce this:
http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/library/img/large/116663_cam.jpg

Personally, I lust after the new Challenger, and I dearly hope that they're inching ever upwards in displacement means that someday(hopefully very, very soon) we get to see those three magic numbers on the fender of a Challenger: 426 :)


HTRN

Evan
12-31-2006, 07:35 PM
I can't say that I have ever seen a car with a sh1t eating grin before.

I think it looks slightly better this way.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/yuck.jpg

jkilroy
12-31-2006, 07:48 PM
That new Camero is one U-G-L-Y car, the Challenger is far better looking. But then again its been a long time since GM employed a stylist that was worth a steamer while Chrysler has been doing a great job on style (and very little else) for quite a while.

That Ultima is an expensive kit car.

I think you should limit entries into this post to cars that can be legally licensed and insured in 50 states and the Ultima sure isn't one of those.

wierdscience
12-31-2006, 08:05 PM
If I could justify buying a new toy,my pick would be a new Mustang GT500 .500 net HP in that light a car would be fun and it's still somewhat practical to own.Course you can void the warranty and install a Rouch kit and boost it up over 700 hp for those quick trips to the corner store:D

If I had unlimited money then the New GT-40 would be it.Someone near here has one,it passed me on the interstate.I would have got the're license number,but the plate got really small really fast:D

HTRN
12-31-2006, 08:09 PM
That Ultima is an expensive kit car.

I think you should limit entries into this post to cars that can be legally licensed and insured in 50 states and the Ultima sure isn't one of those.

Considering that most GT40 replica's cost $50K? Expense is relative.

And there are ways to get it registered in every state, even ones like Illinois that require a title(generally not issued by Kitcar makers), have ways around it, using title companies.

See this page (http://www.xanthos.com/contacts.html) for a list of title companies, under "administrative".


HTRN

wierdscience
12-31-2006, 08:09 PM
That new Camero is one U-G-L-Y car, the Challenger is far better looking. But then again its been a long time since GM employed a stylist that was worth a steamer while Chrysler has been doing a great job on style (and very little else) for quite a while.

.

I don't know about the style thing either,that new Nitro is buuuuuut ugly.Seems like they do good at styling for about five years,then it's K-car time again:rolleyes::D

gundog
12-31-2006, 08:26 PM
I like the top Camaro the best but the Challenger runs a real close second that bottom Camaro is but ugly I like what Evan did to it. Why don't these auto makers go find some custome car guys and run these designs by them before trying to sell them to us that would stop things like that but ugly Camaro and some of the other disasters they come up with. A good example is the front end on the 2003 chevy pu I just sold one and that ugly front end never grew on me in the 3 years I owned it. It was a great truck just ugly. I see they came out with a new front end on the half tons for 07 but they are still using the ugly front end on the 2500 & 3500 what gives?
GD

BadDog
12-31-2006, 10:51 PM
I'm generally a GM guy, though I've owned many others including a few Mustangs, and a '70 ‘Cuda 340 Magnum (originally a 318 car). And the ‘Cuda was the first car I ever owned. Built from a junk yard *hull* purchased for $70 *delivered* with no drive train other than the rear axle (which I learned was a built Dana 60 from it’s previous life with a B-Block 440 as a drag car. To give you an idea, the seats were in the trunk and the hood was slid through the driver’s glass that was rolled down!

That said, I have to admit that whoever is in charge of GM styling is an absolute freaking moron. Just look at the "Angry Chinaman" truck styling on Chevy trucks in 2003+. And that '49 retro is only "tolerable". WTF? Why pick one of GMs LEAST memorable trucks for a retro??? Why not the 55 Cameo or something? Maybe a '39? Not to mention some of the most forgettable styling across the board for the last WAY too many years. Then they go on to the Camaro and could have had a winner with the first one pictured. I would ABSOLUTELY buy that one! Instead, we get that second abomination. But I do think the latest Vette is a huge improvement.

Oh well... I actually accelerated my decision to buy a new truck at the end of '02 when I saw the new line coming out. I knew I could never tolerate that new style, and considered waiting to get a GMC which still looked nice, but I really did like that “Power Bulge” hood style that was reminiscent of the ’67 Chevy truck hood (had one of those years ago too). I just couldn’t pass up the last of that 2 year run, combined with Duramax and Allison in the 2500HD 4x4. When my son totaled my wife’s Supercharge Bonneville SSEi, we didn’t like the newer Bonne’s at the time, so we got her a (see below) Grand Prix GTP “Competition Group” (Limited edition targeted at armature SCCA racing). Very fast for a family 4 door sedan, and handles like slot car. Lots of fun to drive, very practical, still gets decent mileage, and looks pretty decent I think, all without breaking the bank. But it still has to work to keep up with my chipped crew cab in straight line acceleration. ;)
http://www.members.cox.net/jameshuffman/GTP/Dscn0138.jpg

BadDog
12-31-2006, 10:56 PM
Oh and on the Monaro/GTO, I agree in that it does not evoke the GTO gut reaction on looking at it, and I don't have any urge to own one. But it does somewhat fit the original genesis in that they took an existing platform and simply shoved in an available larger displacement, higher powered engine and sold it at a somewhat approachable price. But at least they stuck a special hood on the first GTO, other than that, it was really just a Tempest with a 389 from the Bonneville/Catalina line...

wierdscience
01-01-2007, 12:12 AM
BadDog,you mention the Duramax,how do you like yours,any trouble so far?I have two friends with them and several customers that have them.The engine/tranny combination seems to be bullet proof although one dropped a pump at 55k.The electronics/chasis however seems to be highly overrated.Everybody here has had trouble showing up around 35k.One guy lost his dash board/odometer/lights etc and ABS.Another had a rearend failure at 65k.One in particular drove though a mud puddle with his 3500 4x4 and lost his ABS.And the last guy had a shifter problem that took a week to find,cheap plastic buching in the linkages.

It seems they have a rock solid engine/tranny surrounded by a somewhat flimsy electrical/chasis.Any thoughts?

BadDog
01-01-2007, 12:34 AM
Can't say much about the problems you mention, mine has not even been back to the dealer (or any other shop) for anything except some recalled lanyards that hold the tailgate (apparently in northern states they rust through inside the plastic sheath). Really, all I’ve done is change filters/fluids and general PM. There was a problem with injectors, particularly on ‘01s, but GM sent me documents increasing fuel system warranty to 200,000 miles (engine has 100,000 mile warranty). But, I can definitely see problems in the future as everything on this truck is not only computerized but interlinked to the other systems. So the engine control system talks to the trans control systems talks to the ABS systems and so on.

Anyway, so far it's been the best truck I've EVER had, and that includes Dodge and Ford representatives (it replaced a '98 Ram). Puts down about 450 hp, 750 ft/lbs (typically that's where I leave it, I've got 2 more higher settings that I don't generally use due to worry about the trans), and gets about 18 mpg mixed mode, a high of 19.9 on the highway, with around 15 mpg typical when loaded to 15k+. And it will haul that 15k lbs up a 6% grade at 80 mph in OD without breaking a sweat. I’ve also got a 30k rated goose/fiver hitch in the bed and it tows a 20k gross *load* without great difficulty. Factor in my upgraded 60 gal fuel tank and I can drive as long as I can stand (and then some) without stopping for fuel.

jmm360
01-01-2007, 12:49 AM
These had style:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r141/jmm360/56Models2_919x569.jpg

wierdscience
01-01-2007, 12:53 AM
Ya,so far it looks to be mostly electrical as the primary culprit.You being in a dry climate will probibly help,lots of water here.

I'm not a GM truck man,I have spent too many years in the cabs of GM trucks with those p---poor squeeky clutch pedal bushings and starters that fall off.I guess I am gun shy.

I think the problem is trucks,just aren't trucks anymore the way they are designed now.Everything is more complicated and materials are getting thinner.I welded the frames on a few Dodges,the passenger side rails would break between the cab and bed from the engine torquing up.I think they finally fixed that,it was the first year they updated the body style from the old look.

I remember the Ford 6.9 being good too,but that was before computer everything like now.