Rights and Other Stuff

[jfsmith]

I am generally not to radical about many subjects, but It was mentioned during the Clinton years many fine rifles were destroyed so they wouldn't fall in the the hands of whoever. These were rifles used by the Jr NRA and the Civilian Marksmanship Training Programs.
Under the current national state, The Patriot Act, you may find that many other "rights" will erode away.
Some of the current laws from the last 10 years; states things such as having all of the compoents to a weapon or munnitions in your home or shop or some combination is against federal law.
As that most of us are machinist of one type or another, we can make weapons rather easily. Some of us have the skills to do conversions and machine out suppressors. This BBS sponsor even has a book listed on making a rolling block rifle, which is basiclly a single shot to me, but Mr Clinton's bunch thinks that pellet rifles are deadly weapons of mass distruction.
The folks in Canada have had to go thru registration the last 2 or 3 years, and of course there are no hand guns in Canada (Thrud, I know, yeah, sure). I won't get into the situation in Aus or the UK.
If one of us orders 1 inch round 4140 stock, you have the making of a rifle barrel, think about what the government might think.
I am an Endowment Member of the NRA, I still do Camp Perry once in a while. The U.S. government maybe doing a noble cause by ridding the world of Saddam, but what are we trading away for our security at home?

Jerry

[wierdscience]

Jerry,piss on'm,like the man said "from my cold dead hands!"

[This message has been edited by wierdscience (edited 03-28-2003).]

[SJorgensen]

I think that the moderator has been very gracious on the politics of the site. I asked him to add a category for politics. I think the Networking category is relatively unused. Obviously many will agree with you or disagree with you. I wouldn't mind the discussion. I'm suggesting that it is in the networking section so that it doesn't detract from the metal working subjects.
Hopefully Neil will add a section for this type of conversation.
Spence

[darryl]

I, for one, don't mind reading a rant or a politcal viewpoint, inside of a column designed for metalworking tips, techniques, problems, and solutions, etc, as it gives me an insight into what you people are all about, not just what you know about carving metal. I love the variety I can find on just one page, and worry that catagorizing too much may make it all somewhat 'dry' . We all know that politics and religion are already in a catagory of their own, so maybe it's justified to keep it separated. What I don't want to see, though, is this turn away from the intended use of sharing thoughts, knowledge, and problems, in the field of metalworking, into a political and/or religious viewpoint post. If that's what you're looking for, I'm sure there's a forum somewhere for that. I don't want to find that column in HSM, and I don't want to find it here. I do want to keep seeing some of it mixed in with the rest of the stuff, where it serves to identify us individually as people involved in our hobbies and work, and aware of the world around us. This just MHO.

[lynnl]

Spence, and others, you do realize it's altogether permissable to just bypass those topics that hold no interest for you?

[jfsmith]

This topic is directly related to machinist, we can make things.

Jerry

[INTP]

As a guest, I don't mind playing by the house rules. If a separate forum makes it easier for people to discriminate, then why not?

As for this subject, it has political tones, but it does seem very germane to a common area of interest to the HSM, gunmaking. It very closely relates to the discussions I've seen on car sites about plans to demolish old cars, citing emissions reasons. In that sense, I think it adds an additional dimension to HSM issues.

FWIW, I share jfsmith's concern for increasing restrictions against 'rights' that we have previously enjoyed. I'm also quite interested in what others here choose to share on the subject.

[jfsmith]

I can't get one here elected, but if you want to discuss this from a religous point of view, you can become ordained in three minutes at this site:

http://www.ulc.org/

My point is that we as a group maybe licensed or require to have permits to buy certain things that really don't make any sense.
What happens if we can't buy Titanium without a good reason? Other metals and artificial materials like carbon fiber and certain ceramics?

Jerry

[WJHartson]

This forum has been very interesting and educational from all aspects. We are all adults and have a central interest in machining and related items. There has been a lot of humor, suggestions on how to do things, opinions on what is good and what is bad, political views, etc. As mentioned above we can read or not read any of the posts. If you are not interested in a subject then skip it. I have found that the people using this post are intellegent and in some cases opinionated. These trates come with technical people. I would think that most of the people that post here are not the type that would be labeled "followers". Personally I enjoy all of the post and the information presented.

Joe

[Mike Burdick]

Gosh guys....could you imagine being with a group of people and all they ever talked about is one subject. Isn't that the definition of boring?

I for one like the "off topic" posts and glance thru them when I have the time. For me, darryl's post expressed exactly how I feel about them. So please, don't make a separate catagory for these.

Mike