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Evan
05-23-2007, 03:00 PM
I finally have the garage shop whipped into fairly decent shape. There are still a few things to do before winter sets in such as finishing insulating the attic and building a fume extractor but the rest is pretty good with one exception. I even have it wired for two separate 230vac circuits, one 45 amp for the welder and a 30 amp full split phase circuit for machines including my rotary phase convertor to run the Strands drill press.

Note: This post is going to hit my server pretty hard so if you have trouble seeing the pics please try again later. There are three parts to this post so please wait for the third to make any comments.

Here is the view from just outside the double doors.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg1.jpg

On the right is the one part I haven't made much progress on, the infamous 'wall-o-crap'. That's going to take some time to sort out.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg2.jpg

However, looking to the left is a different story. This area used to be the 'sea-o-crap', in full storm season. There are areas of floor here I haven't seen in over 20 years.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg3.jpg

Further around to the left is the welding bench area. On the bench right now are stair stringers jigged up and ready for welding.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg4.jpg

Continued in next post.

Evan
05-23-2007, 03:10 PM
To the immediate far right of the welding bench is a safety item, a welding screen. This keeps the sparks and spatter from traveling too far and is easily moved about or adjusted. I built this recently and it weighs very little. It can be picked up with one hand and moved. The screen can be inverted on the stand to work at ground level or lifted off to hang on the wall. It is a light weight 3/4" square tube frame with aluminum flashing pop-riveted to it.

Front and back view.
http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg5.jpg

To the right of that is storage for long stock. As my garage has a 10 1/2' ceiling I can have 20 foot stock cut in half and store it here vertically.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg7.jpg

Moving further in the the area for the shaper and drill press. A safety area has been marked and painted on the floor to indicate a 'keep clear' zone. This is mainly for me and my personal rule, once the shaper is working, is that this zone is to be kept absolutely clear of floor clutter so I don't end up tripping on something and pitch head first into the shaper while it is running.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg8.jpg

An additional safety item is a storage cabinet for minor hazmat chemicals such as lye, pesticides and other related chemicals. The shaper is hardwired (will be that is) and a wall mounted knife switch is used to switch it on/off.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg9.jpg

Continues...

pcarpenter
05-23-2007, 03:15 PM
Nice work, Evan. It sure is a good feeling working in a clean(ish) shop! The trouble I have found is that newfound floor space becomes the permission slip for acquiring that "just one more" machine tool that ensures you don't have any more floor space:D

I acquired several pieces that I never thought I would own (like a horizontal mill and surface grinder) after I had the layout figured out and was really at that point where it was just comfortable to work in. Now its cramped...but I will make do and be grateful for the machines I have.

Its not just about space either...its about layout...you get one thing figured out like puting the welding table near the overhead door and then it constrains you to put the surface grinder closer to the other machine tools than you might like to have it. I would love to have all grinding and welding done in a room completely separate from machine tools other than the surface grinder. That really requires more space than guys like us can usually hope for...like separate spaces for all woodworking, machining, welding, grinding etc.

Still...good for you! It seems your new meds are a bit like Meth. They say that if a guy is cleaning out his whole garage it may be because he is on crank. It supposedly makes the most boring and mundane stuff tolerable.

Paul

Evan
05-23-2007, 03:15 PM
Next to the right is the storage rack for medium shorts up to 5 or so feet long and as short as 3 feet. This rack was whipped up in a couple of hours from scrap.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg10.jpg

To the right of that is a small desk for planning and note taking. It has one of the best padded folding chairs in the world (redid it myself..).

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg11.jpg

And finally, this is the view out the shop doors on a beautiful sunny day like today.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg12.jpg

ptjw7uk
05-23-2007, 03:50 PM
Evan,
Thats some nice clean working environment, i'm going Alistair green, makes my small workshop seem somewhat cramped.

I can see how you end up making such good machines as I seem to spend so much of my time trying to find things I just had in my hand!!
Not to sure if its working in a mess or just old age!
Peter

pntrbl
05-23-2007, 05:12 PM
Looks great Evan. I could be very happy in there.

SP

Lew Hartswick
05-23-2007, 05:17 PM
Looks like you didn't make it big enough. :-)
...lew...

mochinist
05-23-2007, 05:34 PM
Paul didn't follow directions;)


Anyways looking good Evan

Fasttrack
05-23-2007, 05:37 PM
Drink much coke? :D

Reminds me of three-phase and his gatorade bottles.


And is that a roll of copper sheeting behind the shaper??



I'm officially jealous! Between the beautiful view and well organized shop... thanks for making me feel bad about my garage. No i'm just kidding - thanks for sharing. I always enjoy seeing different shops. Help me get ideas on how to layout my tools.

Mark Hockett
05-23-2007, 05:39 PM
Evan,
Did you move south? Theres no snow on the ground in the picture looking out the door. I thought there was always snow on the ground at your place LOL.

lane
05-23-2007, 07:47 PM
That just too nice Evan. And you still got a shop in basement . You just got too much stuff. I like all that.

Evan
05-23-2007, 09:27 PM
Paul,

The medication I am taking is nothing like meth. In fact, one of the most common side effects is that it will put you to sleep. If I don't get off my ass in the morning and do something I will fall asleep within an hour after taking it.

What it does is erase the fatigue that normally accompanies FMS. It's up to me to make use of that instead of napping.

Fasttrack,

Yes, that is a 4' x 8' roll of 18 gauge copper. It was originally purchased quite a few years ago to use as a backplane for a solar hot water collector. It's beginning to turn into an investment. :D

Evan
05-23-2007, 11:57 PM
I want to point out that this entire exercise was not a shop cleanup. The garage was being used mainly for storage and most of the walls had no insulation or interior drywall. In fact, a good deal of space was taken up with a stack of drywall that had been lying on the floor, properly stored on and under plastic lying flat, for the last 20 years. What I have done is to build a shop in what was a garage full of junk, trash and goodies. The dumpster is nearly full again.

Here is today's project ready for install tomorrow.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/stairs1.jpg

TECHSHOP
05-24-2007, 01:25 AM
I was beginning to feel like a slug "decluttering" my shop and not getting on with projects. So I tried to pick up the pace, but last Sunday morning, I crashed and burned (old injuries). Looking at Evan's shop (floor!) has got me motivated again (ok, 4 days rest helped). So at the crack of dawn, I'll go back out to what I call "Studio G" and everyone else calls the "tunnel of junk".

darryl
05-24-2007, 03:51 AM
I love it! I'm most familiar with the wall-o-crap and sea-o-crap. Tunnel-o-junk, unfortunately that seems to be in my dna as well. My shop is truly a living nightmare at present, while I try to prepare it to become a swimming pool. Evan, your wall-o-junk looks pretty well organized to me. It seems that you could actually walk right up to it.

It's nice having a shop full of tools and machines, and seeing how well equipped someone elses shop is. What really got me though is the view through the doors.

Your Old Dog
05-24-2007, 05:50 AM
Looks good Evan! I confess to be a little disappointed by the stair riser under construction. With just a little more effort you could have knocked out an elevator and had something to really be proud of. Hell, even Otis would have been proud of you ! :D

You did the wall of junk, I have a workbench piled some 2 feet high that serves the same purpose. It's actually convenient as it gives me a place in the shop to go over to and search for stuff just in the event it may be under the pile. It helps keep hope alive, it helps me feel productive when I'm lost :D

Evan
05-24-2007, 08:14 AM
With just a little more effort you could have knocked out an elevator and had something to really be proud of.

That was very seriously in my list of things to do for the basement stairs until I started the new meds. It still is but I think I can put it off for a while. Personally, I would go for a simple man lift but around here the Better Half would have something to say about that. I also always wanted to put in a fire pole but the open hole in the floor sort of nixed that idea plus the fact that I still can't figure out a way to make it run both ways...

oldtiffie
05-24-2007, 10:30 AM
I finally have the garage shop whipped into fairly decent shape. There are still a few things to do before winter sets in such as finishing insulating the attic and building a fume extractor but the rest is pretty good with one exception. I even have it wired for two separate 230vac circuits, one 45 amp for the welder and a 30 amp full split phase circuit for machines including my rotary phase convertor to run the Strands drill press.

Note: This post is going to hit my server pretty hard so if you have trouble seeing the pics please try again later. There are three parts to this post so please wait for the third to make any comments.

Here is the view from just outside the double doors.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg1.jpg

On the right is the one part I haven't made much progress on, the infamous 'wall-o-crap'. That's going to take some time to sort out.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg2.jpg

However, looking to the left is a different story. This area used to be the 'sea-o-crap', in full storm season. There are areas of floor here I haven't seen in over 20 years.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg3.jpg

Further around to the left is the welding bench area. On the bench right now are stair stringers jigged up and ready for welding.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopg4.jpg

Continued in next post.

Hi Evan,

thanks for the post - sounds very impressive.

Can't see the pics tho'.

I can read the addresses but no pics - not even when I use the address from "Properties".

All I get are small white rectangles with an inner rectangle with a red X on it.

Any info/advice? Will be appreciated.

I cut and pasted the address into IE but "Not known" or "can't find" response.

Got the same result in heavy traffic period so left it until later - same result.

Evan
05-24-2007, 10:42 AM
I suggest you complain to your Internet service provider.

pcarpenter
05-24-2007, 10:44 AM
I guess I missed something with regard to "following instructions" as I have been off list for a while working on automotive problems:mad: Edit: I read the original post and now see the instructions I did not follow....so sorry.

Evan-- I sure didn't mean to offend you with the comment about meth. I do no drugs and with a sister who is a recovering addict, they really aren't a laughing matter. I was really just making reference to the fact that I heard somewhere that if the cops see a guy with his entire garage contents on the driveway at 3am, its a pretty good indication that the guy is doing meth. because it has the effect of making the more mundane stuff (like cleaning up the garage) look like its fun. I did read a bit about your medical breakthrough and I am sure happy for you. I hope it will last as I know Fibromyalgia can be really debilitating.

I admire how productive you have been. As if your spindle spindler, bender, metal stairs, and complete shop reorganization weren't enough, you have to add the fact that you actually drywalled the whole thing :D

I can't wait to retire :-)

Paul

Swarf&Sparks
05-24-2007, 10:58 AM
Tiffie, correct me if I'm wrong, but your email address sounds like you're on satellite?

bhjones
05-24-2007, 12:17 PM
MIll, Lathe?

oldtiffie
05-24-2007, 12:51 PM
Tiffie, correct me if I'm wrong, but your email address sounds like you're on satellite?

For info of other readers of this post: my email address includes "satlink"

Agree with that - but not true.

It's me in orbit between times when I am brought down to earth with thud.

Since being on HMS I seem to have ever-increasing attacks of being "punch drunk" and "shell-shocked".

Perhaps I'd spend more time on my feet if I was to look where I was going and kept my hands out of my pockets.

oldtiffie
05-24-2007, 12:59 PM
I suggest you complain to your Internet service provider.

Yeah - well, I'll try but it might turn out to be an exercise in futility and stupidity on my part.

Odd that I can see most but not all other files with similar constructs.

On the basis of what you say I'd have expected:
- an "all or nothing " result (not so); and
- not to be able to view my own similar files/images (I can).

Many thanks.

Evan
05-24-2007, 06:43 PM
Tiffie, they are probably blocking access to my server because of a badly managed blocking list that some service providers still use. It shouldn't be used because it is the only one out of 276 such lists that is listing my ISP's netblock of addresses as deserving blocking.


MIll, Lathe?

In the other shop, downstairs.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopb1.jpg

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/shopb2.jpg

In another room beside this shop is the grinding shop. Just beside these is the electronics shop and across from that is the computer lab and library.

TECHSHOP
05-24-2007, 07:16 PM
I guess the one thing we all have in common is a "shop". I endless hunt for the for details and pictures of other's shops, somewhere out there is a "ready made" answer for the too small shop.

"A guy with his entire garage contents on the driveway at 3am", that is me. Every summer, I put a large tent over the driveway, and work outside, rain or shine, day or night. Night work is mostly "quite" stuff, out of fear of the shotgun SWMBO keeps loaded.

The goal this year, (as every other year) is to have "everything" back inside during the winter, that goal has never been met. This year SWMBO has let out a hint that the shotgun maybe "unloaded" and then "reloaded" if that goal is not met, I better get busy.

speedsport
05-24-2007, 08:28 PM
I can't believe you drink Hill's Brothers coffee, that stuff is nasty!

Evan
05-24-2007, 09:37 PM
I don't. I hardly drink coffee at all but when I do I grind my own beans. People save me coffee cans to use as containers for whatever.

JimB
05-24-2007, 10:01 PM
Where is the sign that says " Steel toe shoes and safety glasses required beyond yellow line" ? Nice work area by the way. Jim

wierdscience
05-24-2007, 10:30 PM
Where is the sign that says " Steel toe shoes and safety glasses required beyond yellow line" ? Nice work area by the way. Jim

Jim,tell Evan he has no idea what clutter even looks like compared to a certain place you and I frequent:D:D

tryp
05-24-2007, 11:01 PM
I can tell retirement has been good to you, your shop(s) look really good Evan. And you are cranking out the projects at an amazing pace. Seeing those pictures makes me miss BC. Also glad to see that shaper happy in the corner there.

Pretty soon I hope to have post worthy pictures of shop and projects. I did take a cue from you and got myself a little 9" SB. great machines.

A.K. Boomer
05-25-2007, 12:41 AM
I dont know if its the new drugs or the retirement, but I like it, looks great Evan and im glad your feeling better,,, I too may have a medical breakthrough to tell the gang,but im not going to jump to conclusions yet because iv been fooled to many times, im hoping to go from a V8 to my old V12 self and I really think iv found the basis of whats going on, so im on kind of an excited reserve as this is not going to happen overnight anyways...

Still fun to dream with what i might do with the extra energy (and clarity and the ability to multi-task once again)

Evan
05-25-2007, 12:47 AM
JimB,

I'm way ahead of you. (grin) I just need to print these out and put them up. I've been collecting safety signs.

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/signpersonop.jpg

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/signfootprot.jpg

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/signeyeprot.jpg


Erik,

Good to hear from you. I have a lot to do around here this summer and will be doing a lot more iron work. I don't know when I will have time to get the shaper running but I have everything I need. Garage looks a little different now doesn't it? You can tell Wierd that I may have some idea what clutter looks like since you are a witness... :D

SJorgensen
05-25-2007, 02:00 AM
Evan,

You should have a sign for "Chest Hair Protection Required Here."

We all know that you prefer to machine naked. No dangling clothes to get wrapped up in a machine.

It's probably best.

just kidding you,

Spence

Evan
05-25-2007, 04:17 AM
Hey, I'm finally getting in shape. I haven't been in good physical condition in years because I couldn't work long enough. Maybe in a few weeks I'll post a before and after set of pics. My dam pants keep falling off now. :D

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/weldnkd.jpg

oldtiffie
05-25-2007, 04:17 AM
I suggest you complain to your Internet service provider.

Thanks Evan - appreciated.

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that you are correct.

I have emailed my ISP as you suggested.

You have mail.

I have emailed you using the HSM messaging facility.

Regards.

oldtiffie

Evan
05-25-2007, 04:35 AM
I haven't received any message. If you have sent e-mail via the address listed in my profile please note that I give a different address to use as the original one has been discontinued. I haven't changed it in my profile because that can cause problems logging on this forum so I have made a note which address to use instead. It is
hsmmail(at)vts.bc.ca

That address may be blocked by your ISP.

oldtiffie
05-25-2007, 06:09 AM
I haven't received any message. If you have sent e-mail via the address listed in my profile please note that I give a different address to use as the original one has been discontinued. I haven't changed it in my profile because that can cause problems logging on this forum so I have made a note which address to use instead. It is
hsmmail(at)vts.bc.ca

That address may be blocked by your ISP.

Evan - your were dead right.

See the following message from my ISP (between the "dotted lines at the end of this post) when it "bounced" my message using your suggested (and amended) email address.

Do you have another address that I/we could use? Perhaps you could use my normal email address: mickg@satlink.com.au if you like although my HSM message facility works very well.

As previously, I have requested my ISP to unblock your address/server.

I will forward a copy of that message when I have a usable message/email link to you.

Shouldn't have to use the HSM post forum for this sort of nonsense but tit is the only way at present until this bl**dy impasse is resolved.

I will keep you posted.

.................................................. .................................................
The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'hsmmail(@)vts.bc.ca'. Subject 'Fw: Have Chariot blocked this sight?', Account: 'satlink.com.au', Server: 'mail.satlink.com.au', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '501 5.1.3 Bad recipient address syntax', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 501, Error Number: 0x800CCC79
.................................................. .................................................. .

Evan
05-25-2007, 08:50 AM
Tiffie,

Take out the (at) and replace it with @. You included the parentheses in the address which caused the problem.

If you do find that they are using the fivetensrc blocklist that is blocking the address range my server is on you might mention that the IP addresses belong to TELUS Corporation, a major telco, not to some two bit ISP. The fivetensrc blocklist is far too aggressive and uses a sledgehammer approach to blocking spam by blacklisting entire ranges of addresses if even one address in the range has sent spam.

Your Old Dog
05-25-2007, 01:32 PM
Shouldn't have to use the HSM post forum for this sort of nonsense but tit is the only way at present until this bl**dy impasse is resolved.

I think I can safely speak for all the guys here. If tit is the only way at present to deal with this problem I don't think there is a man here who would object. You lucky stiff! :D

oldtiffie
05-25-2007, 02:27 PM
I think I can safely speak for all the guys here. If tit is the only way at present to deal with this problem I don't think there is a man here who would object. You lucky stiff! :D

Yeah.

My "typo" there - a "booboo" no less - perhaps from which "tit" (note singular, not plural) may have (been) derived.

Perhaps I need ESP to understand ISP.

When I was able to look at that stiff you mention, I looked it fair in the eye - and found myself looking backward at what I was and am - and saw a big "a**e'ole" and, you know that ol' stiff just nodded it's head and been the same way since. Perhaps its folly to contemplate yourself and look too far to the rear as you might see yourself for what you really were and are - as I did. Well YOD, I was only contemplating myself in depth after all - a lot of s**t and depth there!!

Evan,
the reply I got from my ISP is just as you got it. I sent it with the @ and not the "at" as you suggested and not with the parenthesis either (I think).

"News flash!! - Breaking news!!"

Just checked my email. One there from my ISP which is as follows -between the "starred* lines:

***********************************************
Hi

Thanks for the email. We do not block sites and we have not blocked this
site and it also http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net loads fine for me as I
have just tested it. If you are still having problems please feel free
to call our help desk and we can check through a few things for you.



Regards


Ben Kirtland

> [mickg@satlink.com.au - Fri May 25 17:30:24 2007]:
>
> .
> .
> .
> I am a Chariot subscriber: mickg@satlink.com.au
>
> I subscribe to a BBS in the USA as part of my home workshop hobby.
>
> The BBS address is: http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net
>
> I seem to be about the only one of a large number of BBBS
> members/subscribers who cannot access and download data and images
> from a server that is owned by another BBS member.
>
> I require to have access to that server, the address of which is:
> http://vts.bc.ca
>
> I am advised that it is possible or probable that my ISP (ie Chariot)
> has or may have "blocked" the server for one reason or another.
>
> Please "unblock" this server as soon as possible.
>
> I have every reason to be satisfied that the integrity of the person
> who operates this server is beyond reproach.
>
> Is it possible that the "block" is a mistake or that is was done
> because of some action, vindictive or otherwise , by some other
> person/s?
>
> If Chariot cannot or will not "unblock" this server, please advise me
> of it and the reasons for it accordingly.
>
> Regards
>
> (Address/details - deleted - by "oldtiffie"
>
>
--
Ben Kirtland

Chariot Customer Service
Australiawide

Help Desk: 1300 137 425
Facsimile: 08 8291 8811
www.chariot.net.au

You are reminded that this email and its attachments are subject to the
Chariot
Limited legal disclaimer located at
http://www.chariot.net.au/disclaimer.htm.
You are encouraged to read it carefully to be aware of risks involved in
electronic communication.
*********************************************

Seems all is OK with my ISP - any more suggestions?

I will take my ISP up on his suggestion to "work/talk it through"

I will keep you posted.

Sorry to keep using HSM band-width here but that's how it is and I feel that Evan deserves to be kept informed.

In the meantime I will email lane (via HSM message facility) with the message to my ISP and ask lane to pass it on to Evan. From what I recall of recent posts, lane can post it on to Evan.

And for HSM forum Moderator - I don't consider this to be OT as it goes to the heart of being able to have a free and open net. Thanks.

oldtiffie
05-25-2007, 02:45 PM
Further to my last post on this thread.

Went back to (re?)review previous item to see if I could see the PITA that a lot people have advised that I have an am.

And wouldn't you know it - all I saw was s**t and lots of it.

Why am I the only one who was/is surprised? (Well FWIW - I'm not either).

JimB
05-25-2007, 06:24 PM
Jim,tell Evan he has no idea what clutter even looks like compared to a certain place you and I frequent:D:D
Plus recommended P.P.E is picked up at entry. This should include a "Twice-Barrel-Shootgun" and a stick for da odd rat or three. Jim

Evan
05-25-2007, 08:23 PM
No rats around here, except packrats. :D