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Al Messer
04-24-2003, 01:29 PM
I saw today that the Dixie Chicks, in order to protest against their protestors, have pulled off all their clothes and posed in the all together for a magazine cover. What next??

John Stevenson
04-24-2003, 01:48 PM
What's the problem with that.?
We always pluck chickens before we stuff them.

John S.

ibewgypsie
04-24-2003, 01:53 PM
Take more than a little skin to get forgiveness for thier sins against our country. Jane "commie" Fonda is still a jerk in my book. And I saw Barberella... (a risque movie in it's time)
None of the young people remember her pictures sitting on AA artillery in NORTH VIETNAM.

Quote.. for those unfamilar..
The remark was made by Dixie Chick singer Natalie Maines during a concert in London.

She told the audience that the band were "ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas".

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[This message has been edited by ibewgypsie (edited 04-24-2003).]

nheng
04-24-2003, 02:51 PM
Is this supposed to give us a deeper look into their minds and hearts ? My daughter is begging for their latest album but it ain't gonna happen for a while ... and it just got pushed out a bit further. It's got nothing to do with freedom of speech but plenty to do with knowing when to open your big mouth.

jfsmith
04-24-2003, 03:48 PM
I remember Hanoi Jane real well, plus I saw Barbarella, which was a risque flick back then.

Instead of having the striped Chicks, why can't they do a world tour in honour of Bob Hope and the USO, for free!!!!

If the Prez is a bad guy or not, the troops should be honoured. People today don't remember when I was a sergeant during the rainy season in Vietnam. I served my time in the blood, guts and beer, and Jane was in Hanoi. When I came home there were no parades, my picture was not on the local news and I couldn't find a job.

The Patriot Act gives the Gov. the right to arrest and hold people who commit treason and sedition, so why are the Dixie Chiks still running around?

Jerry

lunkenheimer
04-24-2003, 03:51 PM
I don't see any connection between supporting the enemy like Jane Fonda, and saying that you're ashamed of your president, like the Dixie Chicks. Didn't hear anyone being called a communist or traitor for saying they were ashamed of Clinton, or Reagan, or Nixon. Plenty of people didn't like Roosevelt, but they weren't branded as traitors.

And, if your complaint is that they are paid to play music, not express their opinion, that only holds water if you were at that concert and paid for a ticket. Otherwise you didn't lose anything.

Or is it only Republicans who are allowed to dislike their president?

But of course, the Dixie Chicks were wrong. Dubya isn't from Texas anyway.

Sorry this has nothing to do with metal chips...

dvideo
04-24-2003, 06:45 PM
Beg pardon... GW is a Texican....

As much as any Texicans.. On my block, there are us from Lubbock or Houston.. but My kids grew up with New Jersey Accents (!) and Wisconsin & Chinese (Canton and Mandarian) - & Indian - & Thai - & Vietnamese.... And Spanish - of all kinds of dialects - everywhere.

Texas is an extreme mix.. Just the way it is. GW is definitely Texan... Just the way it works....

-- jr

jfsmith
04-24-2003, 07:07 PM
I can't connect terrorism and the war in Iraq.

Jerry

dvideo
04-24-2003, 07:39 PM
Follow the money trail... is a good rule.

Follow the cash source and controls source. that is the link. FWIW...

-- jr

CCWKen
04-24-2003, 07:55 PM
Jerry;
$1 Billion in U.S. Cash found. (so far)
$24,000 paid to all families of Myrters killing U.S. citizens.
Full funding of Training Camps for terrorist.
Trains children to be terrorist.
Kills people that disagree with terrorist methods or his government.
Finances WMD for any group that will use them against the United States.
Provides a free "Safe House" to any terrorist on the run.
And probably many more that we are not privy to.

Gosh, Can it be any more connected? I'm just sorry we didn't continue with the rest of the terrorist nations. One more thing, It's ok for you to be in the Minority Opinion on this one. That's what makes America. But, I'll bet you would be the first in line for government hand-outs, if a nuke hit your city.

wierdscience
04-24-2003, 10:30 PM
I just finished watching the dizzy chicks do "were sorry"I quess an Grammy is out so now they are after an Oscar!Excellent acting!You can hardly see them begging us to buy their stuff again.Maybe they will open the tour bus window and look around before they drive off a cliff again.Saw the neked pics,could have been a little more humiliating I think.Excellent airbrush job.

jfsmith
04-24-2003, 11:25 PM
What happens internally in a country is really not the business of the U.S. or we would have preempted other countries.

I agree that Iraq has done many bad things, some we can connect, some we are still looking for the connection. If we apply the same theory to other countries when does America stop? Lets see human rights violations, N. Korea, China, Iran, many Arab states. These folks fund terrorist activites in one form or another, they have WMD is some cases.

Lets use the same standard for Israel, by their very existance, they are a terroist state that has been funded by the U.S. since they were founded. They threw the people of that land out, took their property, took aggressive military action, paid to have people killed and supported those family that sacrificed their loved ones in the name of their country and faith.

Lets use one standard for the world, it was so much easier with two super powers.

I saw part of the Dixie Chicks apology this evening. They complained that people smashing their CDs for what the group said was a little too much and maybe over the line. When a U.S. Congressman says the wrong thing, they get ousted. When a corporate CEO says the wrong they loose money. If you area public figure, your mouth can be your down fall.


Jerry

jfsmith
04-24-2003, 11:39 PM
As far as hand outs, I will be the one who helps those handing out things, if I am in the states. I have worked with relief organizations, I went to Vietnam for repatriation, hell I even was a fraternity advisor.

I am a proud person, I am an Eagle Scout, a former member of the 75th Infantry, a Red Cross volunteer, and I own 2 AR-15 HBAR National Match Rifles. And I am a Endowment Member of the NRA.

But most of all I am a Canadian, so when New York gets nuked, I will see the glow as that my other home is 17 miles or 28 Km from the New York state border.

If you want a pissing contest, don't look to me.

jfsmith
04-24-2003, 11:52 PM
LETS END THIS THREAD, nobody put up the URL of the Dixie Chicks, so lets end this.

chief
04-25-2003, 05:11 AM
Turns out they used body doubles for the Rollings stones cover, The fat one looks thin, another scam.

RG
04-25-2003, 06:19 PM
If the alamo would have had a back door Bush would be mexico's problem.--RG

Jim Wilson
04-25-2003, 07:44 PM
What does "I went to Vietnam for repatriation" mean and how does it relate to being a fraternity advisor? A you Vietnamese? You cerainly sound like a Muslim regarding Irael. There are many terrorist states but when a country is attacked and responds that is not terrorism. Israel has been attacked repeatedly by every Arab state in the Near East but I would suppose you regard this as Zionist propaganda. I was wounded in Vietnam in 1968 and I saw Barbarella and thought it was a stupid movie although I still like Jane Fonda.

Jim


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jfsmith:
As far as hand outs, I will be the one who helps those handing out things, if I am in the states. I have worked with relief organizations, I went to Vietnam for repatriation, hell I even was a fraternity advisor.

I am a proud person, I am an Eagle Scout, a former member of the 75th Infantry, a Red Cross volunteer, and I own 2 AR-15 HBAR National Match Rifles. And I am a Endowment Member of the NRA.

But most of all I am a Canadian, so when New York gets nuked, I will see the glow as that my other home is 17 miles or 28 Km from the New York state border.

If you want a pissing contest, don't look to me. </font>

Joel
04-25-2003, 08:22 PM
Repatriation: To return to the country of birth.

Reparation: Restorations; Making amends.

Jim Wilson
04-25-2003, 09:50 PM
Canadian: To hold Canadian citizenship. Thus a Canadian would by defintiion be repatriated to Canada not Vietnam.

Jim


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joel:
Repatriation: To return to the country of birth.

Reparation: Restorations; Making amends.</font>

jfsmith
04-25-2003, 11:27 PM
All of my adult life I have been traveling the world to help others, at university I particpated in the student life activities, which most faculty members don't do. As far as those who are MIA in Vietnam (including a few Canadians), I went to find and identify their remains where possible. I went to Florida to help with the recovery after Hurricane Andrew with the American Red Cross.
Back to the fraternity, most fraternities have pretty lame parties, not like in the movies.
I was born in Germany to a Canadian Diplomatic father and an American Nurse for a mother, my birth place was in a German hospital, not an Allied Military Hospial. I am a Christian, but I look at things in the eyes of an academic. America has different rules for different countries. Countries with dictators can be friends of the US while other countries with democratic governments can be enemies.

jfsmith
04-26-2003, 12:40 AM
No you guys tell me that the picture is a fake, gee whiz, no fun.

I have settled down, I hope you guys have.


Jerry

LETS END THIS THREAD

CCWKen
04-26-2003, 02:03 AM
"Countries with dictators can be friends of the US while other countries with democratic governments can be enemies."

If you mean Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Kuait, Qatar... although not dictatorships, they are monarchies... Yea, we can be friends. I'm not sure to what countries your are refering. Surely you're not calling Iraq a democratic government (or pre-war Germany, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba?). No wonder you Canadians are so confused. And you with so much book learnin'. But, I guess that's how Canada has avoided being in a confilict. You stick your head in the sand until it goes away or hope someone else will help you out. Who would want Canada anyway? There's nothing of value there... except wood and Niagra Falls (maybe a few gems now).
At least Mexico provides cheap labor. (You sound like you've never worked for a living--It's all been traveling and volunteer jobs)
Ask anyone in the World to point out North America on a map and they will point to the United States, not to Mexico or Canada. If it wasn't for the USA, the entire World would be a smoldering hunk of ash. So hang on to the coat tales of USA Jerry and be happy you can vote, own property and choose your vocation.
If you want this thread to end so bad, why do you keep throughing gas on the fire?

jfsmith
04-26-2003, 11:13 AM
Read the book the Smaller Dragon, Ho Chi Minh had a democratic government before the French returned to take back their colony.
How about the Philippine, or Panama?

Now for the Canada Anti-Bashing, Canada is one of the nicest, safest places in the world. The people are friendly and polite.
Guess what country sucessfully invaded the U.S. and burned the Capitol, Canada, of course.

Do you like Canadian Beer? Listen to the Joe Canada Beer Comercial.

When you ask somebody to point out North America and they pointed to the United States, you should be worried, they know where you live.

I have met many fine machinist and metal workers in Canada, who want to share their profession. The don't care who you are or what you are, people are welcome, especially if you sweep the floor first.

alumtuna
04-26-2003, 10:26 PM
jfsmith,

I can't agree with Ho Chi Minh had a democratic government in Vietnam. He was more benefiting himself and communism. IMHO he was being set up like the Asian commie satellite country.

Jim Wilson
04-26-2003, 11:39 PM
I agree Canada is a wonderful place, in the summer. I didn't want to get back into this but I need a history lesson. Exactly what Capitol did Canada burn? Are you claiming Britain as a part of Canada? If what Ho Chi Minh had going was a democracy then I guess Nazi Germany was a true socialist workers paradise.
Jim


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jfsmith:
Read the book the Smaller Dragon, Ho Chi Minh had a democratic government before the French returned to take back their colony.
How about the Philippine, or Panama?

Now for the Canada Anti-Bashing, Canada is one of the nicest, safest places in the world. The people are friendly and polite.
Guess what country sucessfully invaded the U.S. and burned the Capitol, Canada, of course.

Do you like Canadian Beer? Listen to the Joe Canada Beer Comercial.

When you ask somebody to point out North America and they pointed to the United States, you should be worried, they know where you live.

I have met many fine machinist and metal workers in Canada, who want to share their profession. The don't care who you are or what you are, people are welcome, especially if you sweep the floor first.

</font>

jfsmith
04-27-2003, 12:15 AM
I was going to send you info off list to not keep this stupid thread going. But you have no email address listed.

During WW II Ho Chi Minh was an ally of the United States and the British Commonwealth. Old Ho wanted to keep the new found freedom that his country enjoyed with the German take over of France during WW II. There was a parlimentary government setup during WW II for rule the country, Ho was the leader of his country.

Suddenly the war was over with, the French were returned to power in their own country and with their colonial ventures. The French went to reclaim their colony in Indochina (Vietnam), but they found a government in place. Plus the Vietnamese had nationalized the abandoned French industries from the rubber and bamboo trade. These industries had been abandoned for years because the French were defeated and absorbed in the rule of the Germans.

When NATO was formed another organization was formed by the allies, SEATO, South Eastern Asian Treaty Organization. This organization had members that were major powers, as well as newly formed countries like South Korea. The French sent in their Foreign Legion, which was composed at the time with lots of formner Nazis and SS members, along with the criminals and deserters, that the legion is famous for having in their ranks.

French wanted this colony back because of economics and as that the United States was a member of NATO and SEATO, the U.S. sided with the French. Then old Ho had one place to look for aid, the USSR.

The Viet Minh threw the French out and the United States sent in military advisors, along with other member countries to fight the people who had become "puppets of the Red Menace".

During this time, the U.S. build Highways and hospitals and formed a pro U.S. government. Partioning came during the 1950s, not at the end of WW II like with Korea. Some time during the late 40s to the early 50s Ho was elected President of his country. The U.S. installed their cadidate, who was a dictator, later removed, maybe by the CIA.
The Soviets increased their support of the North and of course, the U.S. increased their support of the South. At this time their were Australian, Canadian, Korean, and many other countries troops there. Then the first American advisor was killed and the situation changed dramatically. But lets not forget that many of the North Vietnamese military had been killed by this time, by advisors stationed in South Vietnam. Most of the SEATO allied troops left during the early years of the conflict, and SEATO faded away.

If you want to read all about this, try reading the "Smaller Dragon" and "VIETNAMI HÁBORÚ" (Vietnam : A dragon embattled) by Joseph Buttinger. The Vietnamese people are not Chinese in orgin, but a mix of oriental and European people, their alphabet was the European alphabet, not the Chinese. The Vietnamese language is based upon French.

The name Vietnam actually means The Smaller Dragon. BTW, they have Pepsi, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, Bud Light and many other Americanisms, nobody is selling their sister any longer. Much of the clothing showing up in American discount chain stores this year are coming from Vietnam.

I have met the people, they are very friendly and wish to share their homes with Americans and to the lay the spirits of the past (this is what they view the American involved war as)civil war in their country to rest.

If you want to continue this discussion, please contact me off this BBS, whe should be making chips not looking at world history from different viewpoints.

Jerry

dvideo
04-27-2003, 12:29 AM
A whole book could be written here about this and probably should... You could go back a few years before this to Uncle Ho - Wilson and the League of Nations... Wilson did not see things in equality at all for Asian things. Totally Myopic in Vision... Democratic aloofness in advocacy but with the reality of Palmer Raids and such.

But this don't make chips and objective history is not taught in schools here. Objective history can often be very painful and lead to thought. Not allowed in Highly Censored American Textbooks....

Jerry Robinson

But this

jfsmith
04-27-2003, 01:14 AM
During the WAR of 1812, the Commonwelth Army attacked the United States, the Capital was burned, this was the Canadian Army in other words. The United Staes agreed to pay reparations to Canada for this war, but never did.

James Madison was the presdent at that time, his wife, Dolly saved the paints from the capital when they evacuated the area.

I made chips this evening, and ordered a bunch of new toys.

When I left university, I thought that would be the last time that I would have to teach world history to Americans.

So it's after midnight, I think I will watch Adventure Inc and get some sleep. Tomorrow I have to work on a couple of projects and do some house cleaning before the lady friend arrives.

Jerry

jfsmith
04-27-2003, 01:15 AM
that was Dolly Madison saving the paintings from the White House.

Sorry about that.

Jerry