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platypus2020
07-17-2007, 10:42 PM
This has been a bad week, in 1981, I was involved in a boiler explosion, that burned 80 - 83% of my body, the explosion caused a fall of 20' onto a concrete floor and after 25 years I thought the worst was over.

On Monday was told by a doctor, that because of the pain killers, I've been taking for the last 24-25 years, I now have an incurable liver condition. The doctors kept upping the dosage to help with the nerve and joint pain, the prescription was basicly a type of "super tylenol", and for the last 10 years I been taking 8-10 times the normal dosage. As hindsight is 20/20, I should have been asking question about the long term effects of that drug, now I know. I'm now on a daily treatment to help with my liver function, which is about 35 pills a day. I just hope they don't effect anything else.

On Tuesday, found out that because of the very high heat and moisture from the 175 psi steam and hot water I was hit with, causing cronic ear infections for the last 25 years, I've lost most of my hearing, about 50% in my left ear and 75% in my right, and they predict that I will be almost completely deaf within the next 5 years.

Please don't do what I did, and just nod when the doctor talked. Ask questions, read the warning paper work (precautions and side effects) that you get with your prescriptions, if you have any questions ask. Its your body, if the answers don't sound right get another doctor.

If you have ear infections, call your doctor, the ENT doctor said that ear infection can cause scar tissue in your ear, the more scar tissue the less you hear. Wear ear protection, stay away from loud noises. According to the specialist a hearing aid has about a 30-45 % chance of working, but will certainly try.

Long term the liver condition is not living ending, but is life style altering and there are worse things than going deaf, but again this is life altering. Don't mean to get preachy, hopefully some one can benefit from this.

jack

JRouche
07-17-2007, 10:48 PM
WoW..Sorry for your accident...

YES, as to the doctor issue...Definitely gotta ask questions and as things are with the internet these days you can become just as, if not more than, informed about your medical requirements..

The liver is a very resilient organ, the toughest we have... Glad they(you) caught the condition early enough.

Tylenol is the WORST pain reliever for your liver. It will kill it.

Get better, JRouche

Mad Scientist
07-18-2007, 06:27 PM
Sorry to hear of your problems, but it is a good heads up for those who think that just because a “doctor” says “take this it is good for you” that does not mean there will be no side effects. If one goes to some health forums you will find that there are some very some healthy debates as to what doctors can do for you and what they do to you.

The following sort of illustrates this.

Statistics from FBI
The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000
The number of “accidental” gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

Statistics from U.S. Dept of Health Human Services.
The number of physicians in the U.S. is only 700,000.
Yet the number of “accidental” deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000.
Fact: Not everyone has a gun, but almost everyone has at least one doctor.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!
Remember, “Guns don’t kill people, doctors do.” :D

BadDog
07-18-2007, 07:59 PM
I've got serious traumatic injuries as well, and have been on pain meds for years (amputated left leg at knee in '83, reattached, somewhat less trauma (and multiple instances) on all limbs). I used to have a doc that was VERY cautious on the pain meds and gave VERY limited perscriptions. Learned later he had apparently had a run-in with the Feds and was being audited on prescriptions, but that's hear-say. Told me to take Tylenol or Asprin if I needed something else. Life sucked. Tylenol was useless, Tylenol III (trip to Vancouver every so often) was somewhat useful. Mainly I took 3x325mg Asprin and 4x200mg Ibuprophen, sometimes as a "coctail". Doc didn't care, no more pain meds.

I got a new doc! Last several (moved around a bit) have been more generous with meds. My current one specifically said he would up my meds if I would STOP TAKING THE NSAIDS!!! He first ran a battery of tests to see what damage I had already done in some 20 years. Seems I'm pretty resiliant so far. But he also runs liver and other blood tests every 6 months. He also gave me some staged meds. Weaker less mind altering meds (non-narcotic) for daily use when I'm active and can keep my mind occupied. Stronger stuff for sitting around at night or going to bed. I rarely take NSAIDS now, pretty much only when I'm out and about and know I will be driving.

I got out of the wheel chair in '84, and eventually stopped using even a cane around '85. But now things are going backwards and I find myself back on a cane some of the time. Seems like I've got a good doctor, but I still need to investigate other options to see if more can be done to improve my "quality of life" as they say.

Weston Bye
07-18-2007, 09:40 PM
After my recent visit to the hospital, I can see how people get addicted to pain drugs. I had to lay still, flat on my back during the heart catheterization, and for 6 hours afterward. Arthritis in my back made it quite a trial. When I was allowed to go to sleep I remarked that my back hurt. The nurse said "We'll just give you a little shot of morphine." Now, I had never has such before so I resolved to observe and analyze. Here is my report:
Initial effect, Wow, man.:p And then I could feel the pain just melt away. Then I lay for a while and then drifted off into blissful sleep. No noticeable after effects. Safe and effective when used as directed.

ProGunOne
07-19-2007, 08:49 AM
Wes, I hear you. I had my one and only shot of morphine ever in my life on the op table in the cath lab after enduring two hours of the worst pain I've ever experienced. Ironically I never felt anymore pain after, of course that was about the time they placed the stent. The pain can't be explained and I hope none of you experience it. The strongest drug I ever had prior was Tylenol with Codine after oral surgery on a couple of wisdom teeth. Second surgery four months later for second stent was a breeze. Walked in hospital at 9:00am on a Tuesday, literally walked out at 5:00 pm next day. Crazy thing, first surgery lots of bruising but no pain, looked like I was kicked in the groin by a horse. Second surgery absolutely no bruising but lots of discomfort in femoral artery site?

Evan
07-19-2007, 09:07 AM
Fact: Not everyone has a gun, but almost everyone has at least one doctor.

Not in rural Canada. The situation here is reversed. I just found out, once again, that my doctor is leaving town to move to a bigger center. :( Many Canadians in the small towns don't have a doctor. All the doctors here in Williams Lake have closed practices and the only option for medical treatment of any sort if you don't have a doctor is to go to the emergency at the hospital. We did have a walk in clinic but it has been closed due to the shortage of doctors to staff it. Anyone moving to Williams Lake will not be able to find a General Practitioner for themselves or family.

Scatterplot
07-19-2007, 12:02 PM
I would be a total druggie/alcoholic if I even ONCE touched the stuff. I have a fairly addictive personality as-is. Thing is, I drink (non-alcoholic) drinks for dinner like a camel. I get like 3 refills at restaurants (on a good day :))- which is a good reason I get stuff like tea or water, cokes would do me in! If I drank alcohol there would be no moderation, I would die the first time. Same with drugs- I got the laughing gas at the dentist's and W-O-W that was fun :) I'm a big guy so he gave me a lot, lol.

Weston Bye
07-19-2007, 12:38 PM
.- I got the laughing gas at the dentist's and W-O-W that was fun :) I'm a big guy so he gave me a lot, lol.

I had laughing gas once - no more. Every thing got distorted, the dentist's face looked all bizarre like something out of a horror film, the drill echoed like I was in some sort of cave. I told the dentist that I perferred Novacain or pain - just no more gas.

Evan
07-19-2007, 12:58 PM
I had a very bad reaction to dental anesthetic in the early 1970's. Since then I have had all work done without any anesthetic including a full surgical extraction of a molar. The dentist nearly passed out on that one and another ran from the treatment room. It hurt but I have had and have far worse pain. They tried the laughing gas on me but it had no noticeable effect at all.

Scatterplot
07-19-2007, 03:27 PM
The gas I got was for putting in some packing to a partially-healed wisdom tooth. The first time I got gas was a different occasion- I thought you breathed in through nose and mouth (the gas is on your nose) but that didn't hardly make me dizzy at all. Next time I closed my mouth and WHAM, that did it for me. During the actual removal of the teeth they knocked me out altogether, don't remember a thing.

Mad Scientist
07-19-2007, 09:39 PM
I just found out, once again, that my doctor is leaving town to move to a bigger center. :( Many Canadians in the small towns don't have a doctor.

That maybe a good thing. Without doctors to pass out the latest and greatest in designer drugs your overall health might actually improve.
However the down side is you need to extra careful in the shop so as to avoid cutting of still useful body parts. Cause the one thing that conventional medicine is every good at, is trauma medicine.

Evan
07-19-2007, 11:16 PM
That maybe a good thing.

Not this time or this doctor. If it weren't for the new medication I am taking we would be seriously looking at having to sell and move to someplace much easier to look after. It would mean severely downsizing my shops and abandoning much of my material/parts/junk collection as well as many other negative changes. With the full cooperation of my doctor I (and we) have gained a major repreive, possibly for many years.

madman
07-20-2007, 06:23 AM
Yeah it works ok. You build up a very fast resistance to this drug. Anyhow usually when youre on it a LOT youre in trouble and death is Looming. Usually by the time youre on enough of it to kill all the pain youre sleeping a lot. Eventually youre just sleeping period then die later in youre sleep.

Chester
07-22-2007, 08:01 PM
Give YOUR doc. a check-up here:

http://can.ratemds.com/canada/index.jsp

(U.S. Cda, AU, NZ and UK)

JRouche
07-23-2007, 01:01 AM
Not this time or this doctor. If it weren't for the new medication I am taking we would be seriously looking at having to sell and move to someplace much easier to look after.

Well, at least yer not lost. Now you know what yer meds are and you don’t need "that" doctor. You can get a prescription for your meds from any doctor. The tough part is over...JRouche

Carl
07-23-2007, 01:26 AM
...was given a strong course of antibiotics for a dental abcess last summer...Dentist said no problem as long as I didn't get diarrhea...no problem...I didn't...until several weeks later. Dentist says...can't be the antibiotic...it's been too long since I finished taking it. Had problems for ten days...start my internet searches...Dentist was WRONG!...internet says antibiotic (Clindamycin) is infamous for causing diarrhea up to six weeks after treatment...now it gets exciting...as the diarrhea may be the result of the natural bacterial flora of the intestine being destroyed by the antibiotic...and if the intestines are then taken over by a pathogenic bacteria called Clostridium Difficile...this can lead to...the need for surgical removal of the colon or possibly death. Now I am worried to say the least...I didn't have a Doctor at the time...so I found one. Told him the whole story...and he casts the doubting eye at me...but gives me a full exam...and thank God...does the test for C-Diff to humor me. Test comes back POSITIVE...another course of antibiotics clears me up until four days after I finish the course...and I have a relapse. I am then put on another antibiotic...which I look up on the internet...drug of LAST RESORT it says...for drug resistant strains of pathogenic bacteria. I cleared up again...but found through the internet that I wasn't out of the woods for ten weeks. I made it through the worst ten weeks of my life...thanks to my diagnosing myself through the internet and treating myself with Probiotics...which very few Doctors will acknowledge as being beneficial...but are proving to be as they will help reestablish the natural flora of the intestines. I really believe the internet saved my colon...and possibly my life.

John Stevenson
07-23-2007, 03:55 AM
They tried the laughing gas on me but it had no noticeable effect at all.

Yup, proves it - no sense of humour.

.

Evan
07-23-2007, 04:20 AM
Yup, proves it - no sense of humour.

At least it didn't kill me. That would have been inconvenient to say the least. As for sense of humor, well, let's just say that I don't watch The Simpsons.

John Stevenson
07-23-2007, 04:25 AM
At least it didn't kill me. That would have been inconvenient to say the least. As for sense of humor, well, let's just say that I don't watch The Simpsons.

Who ??......


.

Evan
07-23-2007, 04:27 AM
Give YOUR doc. a check-up here:

http://can.ratemds.com/canada/index.jsp
I did. See here:
http://can.ratemds.com/filecache/doctor-ratings.jsp?did=69837
and here:
http://can.ratemds.com/filecache/doctor-ratings.jsp?did=80117

I agree with those ratings too.

Carl,

My two major medical problems, gluten intolerance and fibromyalgia, were both diagnosed by me. The doctors have only helped confirm my diagnosis and the good ones have helped me to deal with it.

Evan
07-23-2007, 04:30 AM
Who ??......

Ok. Is that like a knock knock joke? What do I say next?

Carl
07-24-2007, 12:59 AM
...I think John's...Who??...was referring to the Simpsons...

http://www.avclub.com/content/files/images/simpsons-family-360w.jpg

...if not...a little "Who's on First" ala Abbott and Costello may be appropriate...

http://www.jokes.org.au/userimages/user756_1146708589.jpg

A.K. Boomer
07-24-2007, 10:03 AM
I wont even ask questions of my doctors anymore because I intend on never needing them, They will kill you if your not carefull, Im my own Doc and all my health problems are going away, thanks to research and the internet and using deductive reasoning on how to sort through the crap,

Back to the laughing gas, iv had some outright trippin experiences with it, If you want a good buzz here's what to do, dentist will put the mask on and leave the room for awhile, Iv never had the balls to turn the adjusting screw myself or anything like that but after he gets done fondeling his assistant in the other room he comes back in to check on you, he'll ask how your feeling --- even if your buzzed tell him not anything, he'll crank the valve more, leave and then you start breathing deep and hyperventelating, he comes back again and asks, this is when you have to dig deep and try to keep your act together, spit out the words, "I think im feeling something but its hard to tell"
He cranks the valve and leaves the room one more time and you go crazy with your breathing, comes back and asks you and all you can do is drool,

One time I watched almost the entire time he worked on me from about ten feet above my body, I could completly see me and him and the assistant, very strange but cool,

one time there were two hot dental assistance on each side of me and I swore I was naked, very strange but also cool,

another time there was a spoon shaped instrument that he was using but it was making the strangest sound, I spent the entire time trying to figure out what it was and how it was making the noise that it had, that was a total freak out and I remember the dentist and the assistant saying that they think I had too much nitrous, I also remember him saying to keep my mouth open over and over and over again, probably about 20 or 30 times...:p

BadDog
07-24-2007, 01:32 PM
My god, I would loose my mind. That scenario played out when I tried the gas, but I wasn't looking for a buz. When it finally did start to work, I got ALL anxious and felt like I had drank 2 pots of coffee and mixed in a heavy dose of confusion. I stopped breating through my nose and took air through my mouth to try to moderate till the doc could get back and turn it down/off. Never again...