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Your Old Dog
08-07-2007, 08:00 AM
ebay has a new policy and it's being met with some resistance at least from one ebay'er!

http://cgi.ebay.com/bullet-knife-gun-shell-brass-reload-weapon-assault-swat_W0QQitemZ170136134592QQihZ007QQcategoryZ73953 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

some of the questions and responses are quite humorous!

Here is the policy change they have put in the public domain:


Hello everyone.In mid-August, we will be updating our Firearms, Weapons and
Knives Policy to place more restrictions around gun-related items. Once
these changes take effect, we will prohibit listings of any firearm part
that is required for the firing of a gun. This includes items like bullet
tips, brass casings and shells, barrels, slides, cylinders, magazines,
firing pins, trigger assemblies, etc. Please read the Firearms, Weapons and
Knives Policy for more details on our current policy.
As you may know, eBay does not allow the listing of any items which are
regulated by individual states or the federal government; however, there are
still a large number of firearm-related parts that are legal and are widely
available in retail stores. These items have also historically been allowed
on eBay. After learning that some items purchased on eBay may have been used
in the tragedy at Virginia Tech in April 2007, we felt that revisiting our
policies was not only necessary, but the right thing to do. After much
consideration, the Trust & Safety policy team - along with our executive
leaders at eBay Inc. - have made the decision to further restrict more of
these items than federal and state regulations require.

This new update continues to encourage safety among our community members
and brings our policies in the U.S. and Canada in closer alignment with our
existing policies in other markets around the globe.


Sincerely,

Matt Halprin
Vice President, Trust & Safety

Doc Nickel
08-07-2007, 09:37 AM
After learning that some items purchased on eBay may have been used
in the tragedy at Virginia Tech in April 2007, we felt that revisiting our
policies was not only necessary, but the right thing to do.

-The hell...?

What was he supposed to have bought off eBay? The two guns he purchased locally... so what else did he use? Is eBay complaining about the biker gloves and "bulletproof vest" he wore? (Which I think was actually just a black photographers' vest, not a 'bulletproof' or SWAT-harness type vest.)

Doc.

MTNGUN
08-07-2007, 10:47 AM
I seem to remember that he bought .22 clips on ebay. It's not clear to me if he even fired the .22 during his spree -- initial reports said it was found inside his backpack.

I remember the time when I could mail order guns from Herters. I felt safer then than I do now.

nheng
08-07-2007, 10:54 AM
This is going to just continue until we look like Canada or the UK or have a revolution. Most Americans, including my own offspring, have no clue as to what they give up each time another restriction or law is enacted.

Many think the police are there to protect them too.

lazlo
08-07-2007, 10:57 AM
I seem to remember that he bought .22 clips on ebay. It's not clear to me if he even fired the .22 during his spree -- initial reports said it was found inside his backpack.

Yeah, he fired both the .22 and the 9 mil.

But what the Hell difference does it make where he bought the clips? He could have bought the .22 clip at Walmart.

Carld
08-07-2007, 02:57 PM
You better stock up on any gun supplies and cartridges you will need because there has been and is a movement to control cartridges and such rather than the guns. The reason the settlers of North America revolted has been ignored much to the satisfaction to the government.

recoilless
08-07-2007, 03:03 PM
Wonder if any of the electronic devices he used to make his film that he sent to NBC were or even could have been purchased off of ebay. Snaggle toothed twits!
EDIT: I just went to ebay, punched in knives and lo and behold there over 36,850 available for sale.
Thinking about how 19 dirtbags gained control of 4 airplanes and the ensuing carnage makes me laugh when I hear about how concerned Mr. Matt Halprin and his ilk are concerned with OUR safety. Wake up America

IOWOLF
08-07-2007, 03:07 PM
Dup......Post

IOWOLF
08-07-2007, 03:10 PM
It's just another way to push there Bible thumping on others.

I got Banned from Ebay for a month for selling a BB gun when sling shots and crossbows were all over Ebay.

I wonder will they be stopping the sale of cars, becouse

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platypus2020
08-07-2007, 03:20 PM
More cars have killed people than My guns.:p


To restate my favorite bumper sticker - "Ted Kennedy's cars have killed more people than my guns"

jack

bigbill04
08-07-2007, 03:36 PM
"I remember the time when I could mail order guns from Herters. I felt safer then than I do now." [/QUOTE by MTNGUN]

Hey MTNGUN. Boy, do you bring back some really good memories of my earlier days with my dad. My dad bought so much stuff from Herters that I still have including a nice, Herter's U9 bolt action rifle in cal .22-.250 that we used when chuck hunting in upstate New York. Prices were very reasonable and the quality was good too. Do any of you guys remember the days before the Gun Control Act of '68 when any firearms could be had through the mail. Klien's sold many guns through the mail. I think they were out of the Chicago area, but I am not too sure. There was always an ad for Klien's in the NRA's American Rifleman. Matter of fact, I think that is where Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly bought his Italian Carcano with the scope already mounted. If I am not mistaken, the price during the mid 60's was around $30. A Garand went for a mere $69. Boy were they the good old days. How did we let this happen? I am not going to get into a rant about polital topics since I took a mental vow to avoid divisive topics after the other day when Alistair mentioned Religion. As for buying and selling gun parts on eBay, if enough of us stick together maybe we can hurt eBay's bottom line some. There are always alternatives such as Auction Arms and Gunbroker. Bill Senko

Ken_Shea
08-07-2007, 03:45 PM
Well, I can think of more than one internet auction site that will not have any problems with eBays idiotic logic.


I remember the time when I could mail order guns from Herters. I felt safer then than I do now.

MTNGUN.
No mistake about it, you were safer then so was I :)

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Mad Scientist
08-07-2007, 03:57 PM
I will believe Ebay is sincere in trying to protect us when they also ban all sales of baseball bats, golf clubs, hammers, screw drivers, etc. And most importantly regarding the Virginia Tech case when they “advocate” the banning of “all” antidepressants and other mood-altering drugs? Many of the most notorious mass killers in recent memory have been on, or were just coming off, these drugs.

For example “Paxil” a popular antidepressant drug is known to have the following adverse reactions – according to the drug's own 2001 FDA-approved label – they are "mania," "insomnia," "anxiety," "agitation," "confusion," "amnesia," "depression," "paranoid reaction," "psychosis," "hostility," "delirium," "hallucinations," "abnormal thinking," "depersonalization" and "lack of emotion," among others.

So let’s see if a person is depressed, to cure him, we dope him up with these drugs turning him into a suicidal killer and then blame his actions on the availability of guns?????? :mad:

johnhurd
08-07-2007, 04:19 PM
How about machines that can make complete guns or parts for broken guns that can make them operable once again :confused:

J.Ramsey
08-07-2007, 04:40 PM
Join the National Rifle Association and contribute/donate to their Institute for Legislative Action,..................otherwise don't complain.

lazlo
08-07-2007, 04:47 PM
I just went to ebay, punched in knives and lo and behold there over 36,850 available for sale.
Thinking about how 19 dirtbags gained control of 4 airplanes and the ensuing carnage

That's a good point -- Ebay should ban packing knives too.

mlucek
08-07-2007, 05:26 PM
Well, I can think of more than one internet auction site that will not have any problems with eBays idiotic logic.
Agreed, those vendors will just move to a different auction venue. Uhhmm, let's see, think eBay'll ban the selling of toilet paper next ? No more m-ass wipeouts .... :D

Mike W
08-07-2007, 05:37 PM
I wonder how much time we have. Since the socialists have taken over Kalifornia, look what has happened here. One step at a time and you can't buy this and next that.

Spin Doctor
08-07-2007, 06:00 PM
How about machines that can make complete guns or parts for broken guns that can make them operable once again :confused:

Back in the 90's IIRC one of the then current proposed firearms control measures included banning the sale and ownership of any tool capable of modifying a firearm.

JCD
08-07-2007, 06:08 PM
Loosing the option to sell on ebay is another step in the direction toward tighter control. This is just a very small thing, but never the less it is a step toward tighter control. One step at a time will win the battle for those in favor of gun control.
If you are not a member of an organization that actively opposes gun control, and your are in favor of maintaining our rights and freedom surrounding firearms, I strongly suggest you get involved and contribute fanatically.

IOWOLF
08-07-2007, 06:34 PM
Join the National Rifle Association and contribute/donate to their Institute for Legislative Action,..................otherwise don't complain.


I can complain for the rest of my life.Should I so desire.:D

JS
08-07-2007, 08:56 PM
I have a whole driveway of assault pebbles ....any takers ???

Seastar
08-07-2007, 09:16 PM
It's too late - they have won!
I have to go now. I am finishing the last rivets on my second Browning 50 Caliber machine gun. Pics when finished.
Bill

johnhurd
08-07-2007, 09:31 PM
I upgraded from a life to a Endowment, but seems to me that after that fine start the NRA is sucking backseat to the SAF and the JPFO. :confused:

IOWOLF
08-07-2007, 09:36 PM
Talk to the Ausy's about Gun control.

I hate what they did to them. But I am sure the streets are safer.:(

deth502
08-07-2007, 09:58 PM
You better stock up on any gun supplies and cartridges you will need because there has been and is a movement to control cartridges and such rather than the guns. The reason the settlers of North America revolted has been ignored much to the satisfaction to the government.

do you mean the OSHA regs from a mth ago???

they had such a TREMENDOUS backlash over that that they are now "revising" that bill to allow ammunition sales.

deth502
08-07-2007, 09:59 PM
It's just another way to push there Bible thumping on others.

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"Bible thumping"??????

theyre NOT stopping ANY of their PORN SALES!!!!!

PHiers
08-07-2007, 10:00 PM
I upgraded from a life to a Endowment, but seems to me that after that fine start the NRA is sucking backseat to the SAF and the JPFO. :confused:

I upgraded mine at that time too. It turned out the Democrats made hay on that comment but they never admited it was one of their own that said it first! Democrat John Dingell of Michigan. He has always been a friend of gun owners, just wish he was closer to my thinking on other things. :confused:
I was disappointed how the NRA did back down on that statement since it was true.

deth502
08-07-2007, 10:03 PM
It's too late - they have won!
I have to go now. I am finishing the last rivets on my second Browning 50 Caliber machine gun. Pics when finished.
Bill

i prefer building ak's. for every 1919, i can build 6-8 aks for the price of a 1919 build :D

Mad Scientist
08-07-2007, 11:57 PM
Loosing the option to sell on ebay is another step in the direction toward tighter control. This is just a very small thing, but never the less it is a step toward tighter control. One step at a time will win the battle for those in favor of gun control.
If you are not a member of an organization that actively opposes gun control, and your are in favor of maintaining our rights and freedom surrounding firearms, I strongly suggest you get involved and contribute fanatically.

I agree.
Bit by bit the right to keep and bear arms is being eroded.
Logic and common sense mean nothing to the anti-gun nuts, it is all about what “feels” good. It doesn’t matter how many my die if they can claim to have saved the life of just one child.

When they first began talking about banning cigarettes, many laughed at the idea, and few took them seriously. But little by little the places where one could smoke were slowly eliminated. Of course this was done under the guise of we are protecting your and others health.

In the same way we now hear talk that fast foods that do not fit into the “official good food pyramid” should be taxed. And of course this will be done to protect your health and oh yes maybe raise little tax revenue.

We have become like frogs in a pot of water that’s being slowly brought to a boil. Gradually those rights that we assumed to be corner stones of our society are being eroded away. Not surprisingly we are told this is being done for our greater good. Unfortunately many are oblivious to what is actually happing to them or worse have been conditioned to think it is good thing.

They are like the frog that finally realizes that he is "actually" being cooked only to discover that he is now too weak to do anything about it.

deltaenterprizes
08-08-2007, 12:04 AM
In the Bible Jesus says "if you do not have a sword sell your cloak and buy one"

Rif
08-08-2007, 10:08 AM
Over time, I have come to the conclusion that these so-called "rights" everyone talks about really don't exist anymore. In fact, it is my belief that the Constitution itself is clearly no longer being followed to the point that it no longer matters.

The "right to keep and bear arms:" This right no longer exists. Though the wording of the second amendment is clear that this "right" exists in order to form a militia of individuals that both have weapons and can use them, it is now meaningless. I say this because the second amendment refers not only to guns; but, knives and other personal weapons. How many concealed carry laws are there? How many laws are there against certain kinds of individual guns. i.e. Shotguns with a barrel length less than 18 inches. How many laws are there against certain kinds of guns, such as an AK-47 with less than a certain number of American made parts? How many laws are there against carrying a pocket knife with a blade longer than X inches? I could go on for hours; but, you get the idea.

The first amendment has been rendered both distorted and meaningless. Read it. It never describes a separation between "church and state." The only place that religion is mentioned, in the Constitution, is the first amendment. The McCain Feingold bill has nullified other aspects of the first amendment as well.

The 4th amendment has been nullified by the "war on drugs" and the Patriot Act.

The 5th and 6th amendments have been nullified by the "war on terror," among other things.

Even our "money" is no longer Constitutional. The Constitution is very specific about what our money is to be.

The ninth and tenth amendments are mostly ignored. In fact, if these amendments were followed, the government doesn't even have the power to regulate firearms and the second amendment is not really necessary. Of course, if these amendments were followed, Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, etc., etc., etc., would not exist because these amendments do not allow them to exist.

I also have to question as to whether our government functions anymore. Consider the McCain Feingold bill, for example. Many Legislatures thought it was not Constitutional; but, voted for it anyhow. The President thought it was not Constitutional; but, signed the bill anyhow. Then, the Supreme Court said something to the affect that it would be allowed because it helps to prevent corruption. Members of the Supreme Court have also mentioned that they look to international law, at times, when making decisions. I can come up with many more examples; but, I really don't feel like getting too irritated at 9:00 in the morning.

Personally, however, I feel that the only true method of banning firearms is to ban fire. Without fire, you can't melt the metals required to build the tools to build the firearms.

Oh, yeah, I was a member of the NRA once. They loved to call me to beg for more money, they sent me a magazine I didn't want, and they didn't support one of the only recent cases to go before the Supreme Court that pertained to the Second Amendment. I donated directly to the cause and stopped contributing to the NRA. I think the NRA compromises too much. Any compromise that gives up anything still, over time, results in us losing our rights.

Brian

Tyro 001
08-09-2007, 10:04 PM
I bought my first gun, a .22 bolt action rifle when I was 16. Not long after, the 1968 Gun Control Act was passed and I couldn't by ammo anymore, because .22s could be used in pistols; and you had to be 21 to buy pistols and pistol ammo. Consequently, my father had to go to the hardware store and buy the ammunition for me. He was required to sign for the ammo in a log the feds required ammo sellers to maintain, and he had state his reason for the purchase of the ammunition. Everytime, he wrote "To foment revolution".