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cybor462
08-11-2007, 12:50 AM
Ok I know we had a long run about gun control some time ago but this is not what I want to bring up.
I have been selling my gun sight tools on eBay very successfully for a month or so now. After being informed about this I am not sure if they will also ban tools but no matter as no gun buyers will be at eBay anymore.

I need to find a new online market. Do any of you guys know of other sites that sell and/or auction firearms.

I know many here are gunsmiths and may have a few suggestions for me.

I guess looking at the positive side for me I will have some extra time now as I will not have to spend every minute in the shop cranking out tools.

Sorry I did not see YOD posted about this already. See I have been head first in the shop so much I have not had time to visit here. I could still use names of other sites though if you guys know any.

dp
08-11-2007, 01:04 AM
It is rather trivial these days to open your own Internet store. If you have a good product and are clever about taking advantage of Google and other search engines, and participate in well-known online groups you can do rather well. It's like any other store though; It's a lot of work.

cybor462
08-11-2007, 09:00 AM
dp...I do have a website but that is one of the things I am not good with. It has been up for a year and so far it has 600 hits, I started the counter with 250 so that tells you I have no clue how to promote it or get it noticed in the search engines. I tried asking some I know with websites to give me a few tips and if they would be so kind to exchange links but no takers to date. I am told that they do not know how they have become successful with their sites other than with high traffic.

No one will tell me the secret to attract traffic. I did list with the top engines and even paid for a supposed top slot which I never got it seems. I no longer will just throw money at it.

I guess I thought if I could become known using another venue I would eventually drive traffic to the site by marketing the company as I have been using the sales. I include business cards and also website address is on every invoice, receipt, and also email sig lines.

If eBay would have continued I would have used it to promote my site and it would have worked from there.

My plan is to find a way to promote it or continue to use other sites. I have alway followed suggestions on how to do it but so far it has not moved. Of course it really has not had a chance yet. I have been promting it for a month via sales so that is not long enough.

Again if any know of other sites that might work let me know.

Evan
08-11-2007, 09:33 AM
Post the address to your site and I'll see if there are things that can be done to improve the search ranking.

brucepts
08-11-2007, 11:06 AM
"Klem"

As we discussed in my shop the other week find out where the gun guys hangout on the web ie forums, join said forums and place some ads in the for sale area. No ebay or auction fees from other sites, save that money and place a sponsor ad on the forum website? Go to gun shows and setup a table, once the gun buyers see what you sell word-of-mouth will sell your product.

I would not spend any money to have my website listed in a search engine, someone has to know what they are searching for to find you and if they already know what they are looking for then they more than likely know you sell it.

I market my niche flowbench products by having my own forum. The forum came first and I added product as the market dictated, I am getting an average of 300 hits a day now and I never bought advertisement on Yahoo or Google but the search engine BOTS crawl my site daily now.

Using free forum software anyone can setup a forum on their website, once it's setup it takes a little "housekeeping" which is not that hard. I'd say my yearly cost to run a business website is less than $200 a year.

Ken_Shea
08-11-2007, 11:51 AM
I agree with brucepts, with the exception, unless you can spend a lot of money with professional search engine ranking company.

Good rankings can be done spending no more than time.
Here is one snippet of one of my web sites pages html code, clearly part of any good ranking sucess, with at least Google.
<title>Hi-Point Accessories (Full line at Best prices, check us out and see!)</title>
<meta name="Discription" content="Hi-point accessories in stock.">
<meta name="keywords" content="hipoint, hi-point, hi point,hi-point high capacity mags, hi point 15 round maga, hi point accessories, hi-point accessories, 995b, 4095b, hi-point carbine, swatforce reddot">

If you type in the Google search engine "Hi-Point accessories" you will see that my site is number one. I do not hold the number one position on all the products for sure but a few and also on the first page with many.
The above snippet does not guarantee best rankings but is part of it. Getting your site URL listed on as many other related forums is also a help.
Do not get cute with keywords, they need to be specifically relevant to your particular page, get deceptive in there use and Google can/will block the site in the rankings, with no warning.. The pages keywords, also should be used where appropriate in that pages text.

I sure am no expert when it comes to much of anything but good rankings can be done on the cheap, as my site proves, it does take time, a lot of it and the willingness to research for other help.
Let me add that web sites take a lot more work that one would at first imagine.

I see with my post that more keywords need added :)

cybor462
08-11-2007, 01:11 PM
"Klem"

As we discussed in my shop the other week find out where the gun guys hangout on the web ie forums, join said forums and place some ads in the for sale area. No ebay or auction fees from other sites, save that money and place a sponsor ad on the forum website? Go to gun shows and setup a table, once the gun buyers see what you sell word-of-mouth will sell your product.

Heah Bruce.. what did I do to rise you from lurker status:)
I have implemented your advise. I have a fellow in GA that sells sights that wants to sell at the shows. It is slow but I am muggling along. I have a forum section on my website but have yet to figure it out. Can't login to it or edit it to make it work.

This eBay thing hurt a bit. If nothing else it will force me to find other ways.

Evan...Here is the link...you will see just how inept I am with websites so do not laugh out loud just hold it in..:o
http://www.nicholsonperformance.com/

Ken.. lets hear back from Evan,,I may have used the keywords in the wrong way. I was told one time to put any relevant words in as tags that will produce results. This from a guy that tried to sell me his services to promote my site for 100.00 a month. I said...........NOT

chriskat
08-11-2007, 01:33 PM
Duplicate post

chriskat
08-11-2007, 01:34 PM
To answer your orignal question, I only know of the obvious firearms auction sites:

www.gunbroker.com

www.auctionarms.com

I've used gunbroker once before, as a buyer, works just like ebay.

Ken_Shea
08-11-2007, 01:51 PM
Cyber462,
There are multiple schools of thought on most any subject.
Search rankings are of course not spared, they are almost mystical and the best approach for good rankings have become heated debates, in actuality, the best approach/s are only known by the search engines, and even their methods are changed to cloud the methodology.

I prefer to apply (in this case) what seems to work over what is argued.

BTW, I like your site, very nice and clean, and yes there are some improvement that could be applied to your meta tags, but that is for the experts :D

Ken

dp
08-11-2007, 02:33 PM
Klem - you need to grow your product list. Add some stuff you don't build such as this: http://www.newmantools.com/wfmc.htm

One of the best purchases I ever made for working on my Harley at home and especially on the road. Anyone who has a bike and doesn't have a full set of these tools isn't finished tooling up!

And despite my advanced age even I don't need text that large :) I think too I'd change the topic from handguns to handgun tools and include a good set of screw drivers made for the purpose. So many guns are disfigured by folks using inappropriate drivers, and the right tools can be difficult to locate.

There was a spoof radio advertisement run by a local station where the advertiser is "Spatula City" where they sell spatulas and that's all. I think in today's market you need a bit broader product line. There are free software products such as osCommerce http://oscommerce.com/ that are complete store fronts with credit card and inventory support built in and which help create a full-feature on-line store. Just find a host for it, populate it, spread the word, and go to the bank.

Ken_Shea
08-11-2007, 11:06 PM
Just find a host for it, populate it, spread the word, and go to the bank.


In a perfect world maybe :D

deth502
08-11-2007, 11:14 PM
+1 for gunbroker.

LARGE site has "just about" anything you need, ALOT of members (prob the most visited of the gun auction site)

easy to buy- easy to sell (cheaper than egay too!!)

down side (for sellers): not as many idiots to drive the price up to 3x what it should be on like on egay.

BUT, now that they wont be on ebay, maybe the idiots will go to gunbroker too!!!

Evan
08-11-2007, 11:37 PM
Google doesn't use meta tags at all to rank pages or to search for things. It ignores the keyword tags.

I'll have a look and see if there is anything that can be improved.

dp
08-11-2007, 11:53 PM
Just find a host for it, populate it, spread the word, and go to the bank.


In a perfect world maybe :D

Nope - a friend is doing this: http://www.intotheoven.com/ and doing very well. Simple stuff but apparently very popular.

Ken_Shea
08-11-2007, 11:58 PM
Google doesn't use meta tags at all

Not saying it is not so, because I cannot prove it, either way, yet it does fly in the face of what I had considered a definite aspect of their rankings. You are stating there being ignored as absolute fact, how did you arrive at that conclusion?

Ken_Shea
08-12-2007, 12:06 AM
Nope - a friend is doing this: http://www.intotheoven.com/ and doing very well. Simple stuff but apparently very popular.

Well I know a guy that won big in the Ohio lottery too, point being, there are exceptions to all things. My feelings and experiences are that it is not a easy buck and is getting tougher by the year. It is my opinion that the vast majority of current and failed web site business owners will concur with this same experience.

dp
08-12-2007, 12:19 AM
I agree - but if you don't try you won't win - you can't win, and that was the point. Same if you try but don't try hard.

Here's a good web site for better understanding search engines: http://searchenginewatch.com/

I host startup web sites (but don't currently have room for more) and have seen many take off and seen a lot of failures and the difference was always effort and a good plan.

Evan
08-12-2007, 02:02 AM
Ken,

Google says they are "mostly useless" and it is widely accepted that they ignore the meta tag keyword content. They always have.



Content-Type is naturally the most-used value, since it's the standard way for giving the character encoding of an HTML page.
Next we have two name values: keywords, which these days is mostly useless, ironically,...
http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/metadata.html


The way that Google ranks pages is complex and a secret. It depends first and foremost on the number of external sites that link to your page. It isn't that simple though. The "quality" of the links matters as does the ranking of the linking site. If the linking site has similar content and a high page ranking then the links boost your rating more than say, someone's list of bookmarks does.

Google does pay attention to key words it finds in the content though.

Here is a particular problem I see on Klem's site.



<P align=left><FONT color=black size=5><STRONG>Custom Machined Speed Parts</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT color=black size=5><STRONG>Engine Building Tools/Machine Shop Speciality Tools</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT color=black size=5><IMG style="WIDTH: 220px; HEIGHT: 125px" height=55 src="http://www.nicholsonperformance.com/T_arg_burn_em.gif" width=168 border=0></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT color=black size=5>Custom Gun Accessories</FONT><FONT face=georgia color=red size=6><FONT color=black>&nbsp;<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: mediumspringgreen"></FONT></FONT></FONT> </P>
<P align=left>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <IMG style="WIDTH: 120px; HEIGHT: 73px" height=73 src="http://www.nicholsonperformance.com/ak-47-clipart12.gif" width=125 border=0></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=georgia color=magenta><FONT size=6><FONT color=black>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<TABLE style="WIDTH: 704px; HEIGHT: 154px" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 width=704 border=1>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD>&nbsp;</TD>
<TD>&nbsp;<FONT size=6>New Items</FONT></TD>
<TD>&nbsp;</TD>
<TD>&nbsp;</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>&nbsp;</TD>
<TD>&nbsp;<FONT color=dodgerblue>C4 Tranny speedometer gear plug (located in speed parts)</FONT></TD>
<TD>&nbsp;</TD>
<TD>&nbsp;</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>&nbsp;</TD>
<TD>&nbsp;<FONT color=cornsilk>Gunsight adjustment tool&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (located in handguns)</FONT></TD>
<TD>&nbsp;</TD>
<TD>&nbsp;</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>&nbsp;</TD>
<TD>&nbsp;Bandsaw Blade Tension Gauge (located in Misc. Tools)</TD>
<TD>&nbsp;</TD>
<TD>&nbsp;</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT size=6>Coming Soon!!!!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT size=6><FONT color=navy></FONT></FONT><FONT color=black size=4><STRONG>SBF piston ring compressor............ other engine types to follow!!!! </STRONG></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT color=black size=4><STRONG>Head deck checking block for dial indicator or depth mic.........</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face="Lucida Console" color=#8b4513 size=5></FONT>_________________________________________________</P>
<P align=left><FONT color=red></FONT><FONT color=black size=6><EM><STRONG>HANDGUN&nbsp;OWNERS REJOICE </STRONG></EM></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT color=black size=5><EM><STRONG>We have just released our sight adjustment tool! Works on most guns. </STRONG></EM></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT color=black size=5><EM><STRONG>No need to buy a tool for every gun you own. </STRONG></EM></FONT></P>
<P align=left><STRONG><EM><FONT size=5><IMG style="WIDTH: 143px; HEIGHT: 108px" height=323 src="http://www.nicholsonperformance.com/guntool.jpg" width=363 border=0></FONT></EM></STRONG></P>
<P align=left><FONT color=black size=5><EM><STRONG>Click on handguns in the header above for full details.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</STRONG></EM></FONT></P>
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Because of they way the page has been generated the key word information is buried in a sea of HTML code. While Google can still find the key words it assigns higher rank to those key words that appear earliest on the page. After around maybe 200 words of any sort of content, including HTML, it assigns much lower importance to keywords in determining page rank relevance.

This is the biggest problem on the page:


<body >
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FreeWebs offers a limited license for use of this template for FreeWebs Premium Users only.
Under no circumstances may this template be used on a website that is not hosted by FreeWebs.
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On Klem's page the first BODY content isn't relevant at all. It begins with a copyright declaration and style sheet declaration that effectively buries the more important keywords later in the page.

The very first words in the page BODY are the most important for determining content relevance. Google also ranks keyword relevance to search terms by examining the "distance" between keywords. The large amount of obfuscating HTML is increasing the distance between keywords and decreasing relevance.

I host a page for some dog breeders of Karelian Bear Dogs. I you search on "karelian bear dog" their page that I created for them comes up as number two right now. The body content on that page starts like this:



<body background="abak2.jpg" bgcolor="#000000" text="#ffffaa" link="#ffff66" vlink="#ffcc44" alink="FFFF00">
<center>
<font face="times" size="6">

<indent>

<br><b>
KARELIAN BEAR DOGS
There is a minimum of HTML before reaching the relevant content and all three words appear in the same order and distance as the search term does. That enhances the page rank.

The two main things that will increase the visibility of your page on Google are quality external links to your site and early consistent use of the same relevant keywords in the page content on all pages of the site.

Evan
08-12-2007, 03:26 AM
I forgot to mention how to check for external pages that link to yours. Google will give you that information by entering

link: www.nicholsonperformance.com as a search term.

Bad news. According to Google nobody links to your site.

http://www.google.ca/search?q=link:+www.nicholsonperformance.com/&hl=en&safe=active&filter=0

You really need to fix this. Get on to some performance forums that allow advertising by members and get your web address on line in the forum, just like this thread does. This thread isn't that valuable because we aren't dicussing performance parts or firearm accessories.

Register your web site with free topic specific directories. For firearms related sites have a look here on Google:

http://www.google.ca/search?q=link:+www.nicholsonperformance.com/&hl=en&safe=active&filter=0

cybor462
08-12-2007, 05:03 PM
Cyber462,


BTW, I like your site, very nice and clean, and yes there are some improvement that could be applied to your meta tags, but that is for the experts :D

Ken

Ken don't be shy... anyone is an expert compared to me. I would want to hear what you think I need to do to better the site.

cybor462
08-12-2007, 05:11 PM
Klem - you need to grow your product list. Add some stuff you don't build such as this: http://www.newmantools.com/wfmc.htm


dp..thanks for the tips..the font size on my end is a normal size. What do you have your monitor res set at. Mine is 1280x1024 it is the default size. It is a widescreen. For me the font is right.

The expanding thing..my school of thought on that differs from you. One thing I can't do is compete with the big boys so I will not try. Many have said for me the best way is to limit my products to a specialty type and better yet to what I make. That way I am only competing with myself. I can't price war on items everyone has. By selling something I design limits where it can be bought, (of course this brings us back to my problem at hand) no exposure. Selling my stuff only is my plan.

cybor462
08-12-2007, 05:12 PM
+1 for gunbroker.

LARGE site has "just about" anything you need, ALOT of members (prob the most visited of the gun auction site)

easy to buy- easy to sell (cheaper than egay too!!)

down side (for sellers): not as many idiots to drive the price up to 3x what it should be on like on egay.

BUT, now that they wont be on ebay, maybe the idiots will go to gunbroker too!!!

Do they have fixed price items?

cybor462
08-12-2007, 05:26 PM
Ken,

Google says they are "mostly useless" and it is widely accepted that they ignore the meta tag keyword content. They always have.


http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/metadata.html


The way that Google ranks pages is complex and a secret. It depends first and foremost on the number of external sites that link to your page. It isn't that simple though. The "quality" of the links matters as does the ranking of the linking site. If the linking site has similar content and a high page ranking then the links boost your rating more than say, someone's list of bookmarks does.

Google does pay attention to key words it finds in the content though.

Here is a particular problem I see on Klem's site.


Because of they way the page has been generated the key word information is buried in a sea of HTML code. While Google can still find the key words it assigns higher rank to those key words that appear earliest on the page. After around maybe 200 words of any sort of content, including HTML, it assigns much lower importance to keywords in determining page rank relevance.

This is the biggest problem on the page:




On Klem's page the first BODY content isn't relevant at all. It begins with a copyright declaration and style sheet declaration that effectively buries the more important keywords later in the page.

The very first words in the page BODY are the most important for determining content relevance. Google also ranks keyword relevance to search terms by examining the "distance" between keywords. The large amount of obfuscating HTML is increasing the distance between keywords and decreasing relevance.

I host a page for some dog breeders of Karelian Bear Dogs. I you search on "karelian bear dog" their page that I created for them comes up as number two right now. The body content on that page starts like this:


There is a minimum of HTML before reaching the relevant content and all three words appear in the same order and distance as the search term does. That enhances the page rank.

The two main things that will increase the visibility of your page on Google are quality external links to your site and early consistent use of the same relevant keywords in the page content on all pages of the site.

Evan..first I want to thank you for taking all this time to help me.

Ok the html...I use the freewebs template for making the pages. BTW the site is not free. I pay and one of the things I supposedly get is search engine listed. If the html is wrong for that I guess I am getting snookered as they have that pre set.

Do you think I could rework it so it will still look the same but have the html as it should be for exposure?

As far as the links I did try with people I know that their sites have some stuff in common with what I have but I have not been able to make that happen yet. I will check on other forums and also the Google link you supplied.

Any html help you could offer would be appreciated. I have read up some on html but software and me just do not get along. I am still trying to draw a part on emachineshop cad to get it priced out and so far I can't get it to be error free. I mess with it for hours and then say nuts!
Evan maybe I can barter..would you be willing to work with my html and get it straight? I would be willing to send you a blade gauge for your trouble. I do not remember if you made one if so give me a price and I will see if I can work with it.

deth502
08-12-2007, 08:18 PM
Do they have fixed price items?

yes, they do have "but it now"'s

check them out:

http://www.gunbroker.com

Evan
08-12-2007, 11:40 PM
Evan maybe I can barter..would you be willing to work with my html and get it straight?

I would like to help more but it would require a complete rewrite of the page. That would take quite a while and would be a couple of hundred dollars worth of time. My rate is $50 per hour and that is cheap compared to most web designers. I don't charge much because I don't do the fancy Flash etc type pages. I'm sorry but I really don't have time or, to be truthful, the inclination to do web work right now.

cybor462
08-13-2007, 11:17 AM
I would like to help more but it would require a complete rewrite of the page. That would take quite a while and would be a couple of hundred dollars worth of time. My rate is $50 per hour and that is cheap compared to most web designers. I don't charge much because I don't do the fancy Flash etc type pages. I'm sorry but I really don't have time or, to be truthful, the inclination to do web work right now.

Thanks Evan.. with that you answered my question what it would take to fix it. I guess using their templates although easy can be a pain for this reason. Maybe I need to take an html course but I like you are really pressed for time.

I will keep plugging away trying to get it found in the search engines.

Thanks for looking at it for me.

Jim

cybor462
08-13-2007, 11:21 AM
yes, they do have "but it now"'s

check them out:

http://www.gunbroker.com

Thanks for the link. I checked it out and it looks good. Also I searched and did not see a tool like mine so this may be promising. Just hope those looking for something like it will look there.

Got to get on some forums and hope they have a place for posting links.

Thanks

Jim

Evan
08-13-2007, 12:27 PM
You can start by posting a link to your blade tension tool in the for sale section of the Practical Machinist forum.

deth502
08-13-2007, 05:23 PM
Thanks for the link. I checked it out and it looks good. Also I searched and did not see a tool like mine so this may be promising. Just hope those looking for something like it will look there.

Got to get on some forums and hope they have a place for posting links.

Thanks

Jim

watcha makin'?????

btw- on gb you DONT have to pay to list something, OR re-list. you can set it to re-list automaticly untill it sells, or re-list even if it does sell ( if your making your tool in quantity) you only have to pay a % if and when your item sells.(unless they've changed policies, its been about 1-1/2 yrs since ive sold there.)

cybor462
08-14-2007, 09:33 AM
watcha makin'?????

btw- on gb you DONT have to pay to list something, OR re-list. you can set it to re-list automaticly untill it sells, or re-list even if it does sell ( if your making your tool in quantity) you only have to pay a % if and when your item sells.(unless they've changed policies, its been about 1-1/2 yrs since ive sold there.)

Thanks for the info on GB I will give that a shot.
I make a number of things. The item I will post on GB is here
http://www.nicholsonperformance.com/handgunaccessories.htm
The blade gauge is here
http://www.nicholsonperformance.com/misctools.htm

Evan.... I was intending on checking out the PM board. I just need to get more than 5 min. at any given time to sit down and try a few. I am trying to set aside a day so I can work the web a bit. I also want to get a html book for dummies (that is me :) ) so I can try to get my page worked on. Now I see that CSS is the wave so I do not know which one to try to learn or should I try to know both?

Evan
08-14-2007, 09:51 AM
If you are writing your own page from scratch you can ignore CSS for now. It isn't necessary at all. It's a convenience but not a requirement and you can make a perfectly good page without it.

Here is an example. I wrote these pages in very plain html and a bit of javascript for my daughter who is a pro photographer.

http://crazywolf.com

The main menu page source is this:



<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
<html>
<head>
<script type="text/javascript">
function rollover() {
if (!document.getElementById) return
var imgOrSrc;
var imgPreload = new Array();
var images = document.getElementsByTagName('img');
for (var i = 0; i < images.length; i++) {
if (images[i].getAttribute('rsrc')) {
imgPreload[i] = new Image();
imgPreload[i].src = images[i].getAttribute('rsrc');
images[i].onmouseover = function() {
imgOrSrc = this.getAttribute('src');
this.setAttribute('src',this.getAttribute('rsrc'))
}
images[i].onmouseout = function() {
this.setAttribute('src',imgOrSrc)
}
}
}
}
</script>
<title>Sarah Burns Photography</title>

</head>
<body background="back1.jpg" bgcolor="#0f0f0f" link="#ffffff" vlink="#ffffff" alink="ffffff" onLoad="rollover()">

<font size=1>
<center><br clear=all>

<a href="people/0.htm" onFocus="this.blur()"><img border=0 src="people.gif" rsrc="rollovers/people1_r.jpg" border="0"></a>
<br clear=all>
<a href="action/0.htm" onFocus="this.blur()"><img border=0 src="action.gif" rsrc="rollovers/action_r.jpg" border="0" ></a>
<br clear=all>

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deth502
08-14-2007, 06:40 PM
Thanks for the info on GB I will give that a shot.
I make a number of things. The item I will post on GB is here
http://www.nicholsonperformance.com/handgunaccessories.htm
The blade gauge is here
http://www.nicholsonperformance.com/misctools.htm


thats a pretty neat idea. sure beats my "brass hammer" method!!!

like the manifold instal studs too!!!

no clock pics??

deth502
08-14-2007, 06:41 PM
sorry - just refreshed the page and saw the clock pic. cool!

is it from a car you run yourself, or do you get them from the racers??

J. Randall
08-14-2007, 08:51 PM
Along with PM, you should get some good exposure if you also go the the home gunsmithing forum (used to be Roderus), also accurate reloading site is pretty active.
James

cybor462
08-14-2007, 08:51 PM
sorry - just refreshed the page and saw the clock pic. cool!

is it from a car you run yourself, or do you get them from the racers??

It is from the different engines we ran. We had a Mustang we stripped and built a drag car out of. We had a number of engines the 5 years we raced. Gave it up last year. My son was my pit crew and he enlisted so I lost my crew. I can't do it all with my messed up back and nerve damage so it was fun while it lasted.

I have a limited number of slugs to make the clocks. They never really took off as an item goes. I think I tossed the clock mechanisms the last time I cleaned.

Thanks for the compliment. Yes those studs really made life easy with a Ford Windsor intake having to use rtv on the intake ports. Really made it a snap without worrying about sliding and pushing it into the ports.

The gun sight tool is a very handy item. I am selling them well but now with no eBay I need to develop other venues. Gb will be one.

cybor462
08-14-2007, 08:53 PM
Along with PM, you should get some good exposure if you also go the the home gunsmithing forum (used to be Roderus), also accurate reloading site is pretty active.
James

I need to take a day and spend online. I can get things going from there. Thanks for the suggestions. I will look up those sites as well.

deth502
08-14-2007, 09:36 PM
I need to take a day and spend online. I can get things going from there. Thanks for the suggestions. I will look up those sites as well.

if anyone has a link to that home gunsmith forum, id appreciate it.

and cybor, if your looking for firearm forums let me know, ill post a list.

chriskat
08-14-2007, 10:01 PM
Home gunsmithing forum I have is here:

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?

Jeff

deth502
08-14-2007, 11:58 PM
Home gunsmithing forum I have is here:

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?

Jeff

cool, i want to thank you, but i think you just took away some more of my precious "free time"!!! :D

cybor462
08-15-2007, 12:22 AM
if anyone has a link to that home gunsmith forum, id appreciate it.

and cybor, if your looking for firearm forums let me know, ill post a list.

Yes I would greatly appreciate a list.

Jeff...thanks for your link.

I appreciate all your help.

deth502
08-15-2007, 05:33 PM
Yes I would greatly appreciate a list.

Jeff...thanks for your link.

I appreciate all your help.


first off, as another pa resident, try here:

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/

i think they have pts for recomending someone, i would appreciate it if you would put you were refered by deth502 :)

some dedicated pistol forums that would prob be a good fit for your tool:

http://glocktalk.com/

http://forum.m1911.org/

personaly, i dont belong to either of these yet

some other firearm forums i dont yet belong to:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/
4153 Users Are Currently Online
There are 568 Team Members, 764 Members, and 2821 Guests
The Most Users Online Was 11785 On 9/23/2006 1:44:58 AM .
We have 132057 registered members, 131776 are active accounts.

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/index.php
Currently Active Users: 891 (49 members and 842 guests)
Most users ever online was 2,117, 07-29-2007 at 11:36 AM.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/
Currently Active Users: 712 (151 members and 561 guests)
Most users ever online was 1,392, 04-14-2006 at 09:26 PM.

and some i belong to (one of my hobies is building ak's)

http://www.gunsnet.net/
Currently Active Users: 4020 (527 members and 3493 guests)
Most users ever online was 13977, 07-20-2005 at 08:42 AM.

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/index.php?
Currently Active Users: 10888 (858 members and 10030 guests)
Most users ever online was 10907, Today at 03:22 PM.

http://www.akforum.net/phpBB2/index.php
In total there are 51 users online :: 40 Registered, 3 Hidden and 8 Guests
Most users ever online was 591 on Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:46 am


http://www.militaryfirearm.com/
Online Users: 15
13 members and 2 guests
Most users ever online was 80, 03-04-2007 at 04:12 PM.

cybor462
08-16-2007, 10:49 AM
deth502 sent you a PM