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Alistair Hosie
09-15-2007, 05:32 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KELLER-1A-PRECISION-DIE-FILER-SINGLE-PHASE_W0QQitemZ130153170283QQihZ003QQcategoryZ1042 39QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem

lazlo
09-15-2007, 06:19 PM
Reliable Tools, so it'll sell for twice what it would for any other seller ;)

It's also missing the overarm.

I'm beginning to get die filer envy, between Franks' build log and all this other talk :)

Frank Ford
09-15-2007, 06:20 PM
Hmm, would have saved me HOW many hours of work?

Well, hey, it's not RED!

lazlo
09-15-2007, 06:24 PM
You see those little Kellers a lot on Ebay, but they're almost always missing the overarm, for some reason.

Alistair Hosie
09-15-2007, 06:33 PM
I honestly don't think I would be put off too much with the missing arm hold downs etc at this price , because the basics are there. I would enjoy the challenge of making them myself. looks a goody otherwise hope someone will get the benefit of it regardsAlistair

lazlo
09-15-2007, 06:39 PM
Here's another one with a $350 BIN (and best offer) -- the Reliable price will probably be a lot higher than the one Alistair posted:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130153765420

http://i13.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/ab/37/d0c5_1_bo.JPG

J Tiers
09-15-2007, 06:43 PM
You'll want the hold-down. Better make one. Otherwise the workpiece will be slamming up and down on the table, and pinching you.

DAMHIKT

Alistair Hosie
09-15-2007, 07:05 PM
yes exactly the same problem you have with a scrollsaw if you don't have ahold down ouch my little pinkies (Thats fingers to you in the U S A :D:D ):DAlistair

Bmyers
09-15-2007, 07:08 PM
Wow,
I just bought a complete Oliver S-4 at HGR for $99.00. I am beginning to think I got a deal

AJL
09-15-2007, 07:31 PM
In reply to J. Tiers' comments on the filer, you won't want a hold-down because you won't need one. That bit of advice appears to be wholly a product of the imagination. Andy Lofquist

lane
09-15-2007, 09:59 PM
In reply to J. Tiers' comments on the filer, you won't want a hold-down because you won't need one. That bit of advice appears to be wholly a product of the imagination. Andy Lofquist

I agree use less.

J Tiers
09-15-2007, 11:10 PM
In reply to J. Tiers' comments on the filer, you won't want a hold-down because you won't need one. That bit of advice appears to be wholly a product of the imagination. Andy Lofquist

With all due respect to a person who puts out a good line of kits..... That statement is wrong.

I have an Oliver SP-2, and it will in fact pick up a lighter weight piece, and slam it down. It has a long stroke, and a large file will bounce even a reasonably large piece. I have used files with cross-sections up to about 7/8 x 5/16". A small file won't do that, naturally.

Definitely not a figment of imagination. One who claims it is would be suspected of never having used a filer before, except that I know he must have used his own.....

And, if it is imaginary, or "useless", why would nearly every manufacturer of the larger industrial filers put a hold down on their machines?

Now the MLA one may not do that, and I didn't claim IT would. I was referring to the size of the one in the picture. The MLA one is smaller, and will use small files.

I don't mind a difference of opinion, but I DO mind being told it's all in my head..... it was all in my fingers, thank you very much.............. gave me one "blood blister" before I learned the error of my ways. :D

BTW, a lot of the over-arm function is also to support the file so it won't try to tilt. Most have a feature for that as well as the hold-down

quasi
09-16-2007, 01:17 AM
According to the current manufacturer of the Keller die filer, it was offered with and without the overarms. Yes overarms, it has 2 different ones, one is a roller type and the other is a spring loaded clamping type that can hold saw blades and stones as well as files.

They still sell the overarms as accsesories as well as new die filers. My Keller came without the overarms, and was in new condition. I bought it on Ebay for $90.00 plus shipping and crating. The set of new overarms cost me either $300.00 or $400.00, I can't remember which, I think my not remembering is some kind of bottom feeder ,cheapskate self defense mecanism.

Once you see the overarms it is obvious they can easily be replicated from barstock and weldments and some shop time. They won't look as elegant as the factory ones, but with some filler and paint will make a nice aproximation of the real ones.

I am surprised how much I use mine now, it is very useful to me.

J Tiers
09-16-2007, 01:33 AM
yep.

I've had a Milwaukee, and the Oliver. The Milwaukee had a file chuck in the plunger that had two moving jaws that would hold a file vertical by itself, so you could use it with no overarm, or with the roller type.

The Oliver has a clamp-type jaw on the plunger as well as overarm, and would not hold a file solidly in just one.

Typical spring-type overarm for files or saws, on the Oliver.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/jstanley/Ol_filera.jpg

typical roller style, from Milwaukee die filer. It also had a spring type overarm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/jstanley/MDF2oa.jpg

Milwaukee spring overarm, with hold-down foot

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/jstanley/MDF3sa.jpg

crrmeyer
09-16-2007, 02:03 AM
One nice thing about Keller is that they still are in buisness and you can buy spare parts. I bought a Keller 1A Die filer a bit back. It came with the 2 overarms and looked very nice, but there was water in the crankcase and needed to be rebuilt. About $100 or so later I had a nice functioning die filer.

One observation on Reliable and their auctions. It sure seems that what little I have purchased from them looked worse than the photos. Things in person had rust and damage that did not show up in their photos. I think the camera they are using accidentally overexposes the photos and maybe the corrosion unfortunately does not show up as well.

AJL
09-16-2007, 10:55 AM
My apology to J. Tiers. J. Tiers may be correct in saying that large filing machines like the Milwaukee need hold-downs. I have no experience with such machines, and having no experience with them will make no pronouncements, and those who have will have found out one way or the other, anyway. The point is that the little Keller, which was the topic of the discussion in the first place, and the MLA, do not need hold-downs. To say that they do, though kindly meant, and innocently stated with our safety and our well being in mind, is simply misleading and untrue. Andy Lofquist

lazlo
09-16-2007, 12:47 PM
One nice thing about Keller is that they still are in buisness and you can buy spare parts.
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About $100 or so later I had a nice functioning die filer.

Wow, that's nice to know! Clausing charges around a 100% mark-up on their industry standard parts (bearings, belts and such that you can buy elsewhere), and much more than that on Clausing-only parts.


One observation on Reliable and their auctions. It sure seems that what little I have purchased from them looked worse than the photos. Things in person had rust and damage that did not show up in their photos. I think the camera they are using accidentally overexposes the photos and maybe the corrosion unfortunately does not show up as well.

They also have a reputation of aggressively polishing every metal surface, including precision reference surfaces, with Scotchbrite so it's nice and shiny in the picture. The table on the Keller die filer looks Scotchbrite'd. Doesn't matter for a die filer, but sucks on machine ways...

The one item I've purchased from Reliable was a Yuasa USA-Made 5" milling vise (Kurt has priced their 5" vises out of existence): looked great from the pictures, all the surfaces nice and shiny, but when I got it the thrust bearing was cracked, and the moveable jaw was frozen to the ways with rust (apparently, how the bearing got cracked).

The thrust bearing was a cheap fix, but the ways needed a lot of work to get the vise in working order.

Reliable's stock answer was "Sure, no problem, just send it back." But Reliable charges excessive shipping (they overestimate the weight, and then charge an additional crating fee), so shipping was almost as much as the vise.