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Your Old Dog
09-19-2007, 05:55 AM
I know this is ot as hell but knowing this bunch I think you'll be interested.

Checking out this guys RV'ing site I noticed these pics.

http://www.picturetrail.com/sing4mi click on "pics to remember"

I seriously doubt he took all these pictures. If per chance he did, I'd want to know where he was before I ever step foot on an aircraft again !!

IOWOLF
09-19-2007, 06:26 AM
Here is one also.

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=149477&ESRC=navy.nl

Evan
09-19-2007, 07:53 AM
I love the one in the hanger showing a close encounter of the propellor kind.

Here are a few:

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/missile1.jpg

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/missile2.jpg

http://vts.bc.ca/pics/raptor.jpg

A.K. Boomer
09-19-2007, 09:29 AM
Big WOW to all of them...

JimH
09-19-2007, 09:35 AM
The RVer's picture showing an ejection was a Thunderbird pilot a couple years back at Idaho. Set his base altitude reference too low for the airfield, took off pulling into a climb, going inverted and then pulling the nose down to loop back towards the take off point. With wrong setting, he did not have sufficient altitude to avoid the ground on the bottom of the loop. Was his last flight as an Air Force pilot, although he survived without injury. Picture was taken by some one in the control tower.
Jim

A.K. Boomer
09-19-2007, 09:37 AM
How many people "ate it" on the ground?

Ken_Shea
09-19-2007, 09:37 AM
If I was ever asked to define an "Action Shot" my definition would be that of the small plane hitting the pickup truck and the guy beating feet, last one in the Pics to remember.

SteveF
09-19-2007, 10:17 AM
If I had to put my $20 bet down I'd say the Cessna, the Air France and the American Airlines shots are some pretty creative work with Photoshop.

Steve.

JimH
09-19-2007, 10:19 AM
The Thunderbird crashed on the far side of the runway from the spectators. Only the F-16 and the pilot's job were lost.

Note: there is a video of the complete sequence somewhere on the Internet. I have a copy, but no way to post it.

Jim

john hobdeclipe
09-19-2007, 10:33 AM
If I was ever asked to define an "Action Shot" my definition would be that of the small plane hitting the pickup truck and the guy beating feet, last one in the Pics to remember.

Look again, there are TWO guys. I'd love to know the story behind that one.

A.K. Boomer
09-19-2007, 10:38 AM
The Thunderbird crashed on the far side of the runway from the spectators. Only the F-16 and the pilot's job were lost.

Note: there is a video of the complete sequence somewhere on the Internet. I have a copy, but no way to post it.

Jim


Very lucky, but how does a chute do any good that close to ground? would think the pilot would lose more than just his job...

Ken_Shea
09-19-2007, 10:49 AM
Look again, there are TWO guys. I'd love to know the story behind that one.

There are two, missed that.
Presuming it is not a fake and that no was killed, sure would love to see the expression on the pilots face. :D

Steve Steven
09-19-2007, 11:04 AM
Looks to me like drug runners in the desert!
Steve

Your Old Dog
09-19-2007, 11:27 AM
If I was ever asked to define an "Action Shot" my definition would be that of the small plane hitting the pickup truck and the guy beating feet, last one in the Pics to remember.

Is it just an optical illusion or does the guy running really have about 10 feet of elevation? LOL He looks like a cartoon character beating feet!

Weston Bye
09-19-2007, 12:00 PM
Very lucky, but how does a chute do any good that close to ground? would think the pilot would lose more than just his job...

Zero-zero ejection seat system. The plane can be sitting still on the ground and the seat will eject high enough to reliably open the chute. The pilot will still get a hard landing, maybe break a leg or compression fracture of spine, but better than otherwise. The plane I worked on initially had 100-100 seats. Needed 100 knots speed or 100 feet altitude for a safe ejection.
Instead of the earlier explosive charge in a cylinder and piston they now use short-burn rocket motors.

john hobdeclipe
09-19-2007, 12:03 PM
Very lucky, but how does a chute do any good that close to ground? would think the pilot would lose more than just his job...
The aircraft has a "zero zero" ejection seat that will launch the pilot high enough for the parachute to deploy properly, even if the aircraft is sitting still on the ground...zero altitude/zero velocity.

Evan
09-19-2007, 12:25 PM
If I had to put my $20 bet down I'd say the Cessna, the Air France and the American Airlines shots are some pretty creative work with Photoshop.
Don't count on it, especially the last two. Have a look on airliners.net

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?nr_of_rows=&sort_order=views&first_this_page=0&page_limit=15&thumbnails=&&keywords=wind&keywrange=

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/small/7/1/0/0968017.jpg

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/small/4/0/7/0548704.jpg

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/small/6/9/2/0620296.jpg

cybor462
09-19-2007, 01:22 PM
How would the pilot get out of this one?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VnyTNDi9PyI

You gotta watch this video. Real neat

SteveF
09-19-2007, 02:34 PM
Evan - Don't know about you but I and the aviation industry make a big distinction between a sloppy landing and ripping the wing off. There was an Air France A320 crash at an air show, did a slow flight over the runway into the trees, looks like someone decided to make a creative version of it. Whatever software they used to rotate the airplane screwed up the stripes on the tail.

Steve.

topct
09-19-2007, 03:15 PM
How would the pilot get out of this one?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VnyTNDi9PyI

You gotta watch this video. Real neat

A pilot in a real one of those tried that move practicing for an air show here at the local air base. He did not make either.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSB-EqorBno&mode=related&search=

Your Old Dog
09-19-2007, 03:21 PM
How would the pilot get out of this one?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VnyTNDi9PyI

You gotta watch this video. Real neat

It would damn near be worth going to jail for just to be able to buzz a big airports tower a few times, maybe do ring around the rosie on the tower and then wait for your bracelets and attorney :D Would sure give the controllers something to talk about for a few days !

Isn't there a video somewhere of this model going down?

Thomas Staubo
09-19-2007, 03:27 PM
If I had to put my $20 bet down I'd say the Cessna, the Air France and the American Airlines shots are some pretty creative work with Photoshop.

Steve.

You are absolutely right about the photo of the American Airlines plane with an engine on fire, that is manipulated.
Take a look here: http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/fire01.asp

On the other hand, here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhZwsYtNDE) is a video of a real engine fire (well, not really a fire, but hefty flames) caused by birdstrike. Pretty scary to experience that.


The plane (Cessna?) cut up with a propeller from another plane is genuine.


Thomas

Evan
09-19-2007, 04:36 PM
Evan - Don't know about you but I and the aviation industry make a big distinction between a sloppy landing and ripping the wing off.

Airliners.net has plenty of pics like that too. If you can imagine it it has been done in an airplane, repeatedly, although not necessarily the same plane. Try searching on Hong Kong Landings.

Willy
09-19-2007, 04:37 PM
I just wish that some of these planes made it into production.
They look so efficient.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j31/250willy/coudveflown.jpg

cybor462
09-19-2007, 06:20 PM
It would damn near be worth going to jail for just to be able to buzz a big airports tower a few times, maybe do ring around the rosie on the tower and then wait for your bracelets and attorney :D Would sure give the controllers something to talk about for a few days !

Isn't there a video somewhere of this model going down?

Yes there is I have it but did not post it. It is a poor video unclear with loads of wind noise. That is why it went down, guy was flying it in gail force winds.

I flew r/c for years. I have flown 1/3 scale low wings and had a F16 ducted fan that had a ground speed of close to 180..
Had a Patriot fixed wing that did 150 mph ground speed.

That B52 must of had terrific wing loading and lift was critical. Turn it too much, wing it down and it will go down. I see that is what happened with the full size and the model did the same in the wind.

Both crashes were bad. One lives were lost and the other well his life may have been lost if he was married.:p
I know my wife had the butcher knife every time I came home and told her my plane went routing for buried treasure.

Evan
09-19-2007, 08:49 PM
I think the B52 went down due to pilot error. It's one of the oldest RC mistakes there is. Because of the distance and the lighting he mistook which way the aircraft was banking. This is a very easy mistake to make. Then, attempts to correct only make it worse as the pilot is just increasing the bank instead of correcting. By the time the error is realized it is far too late with an aircraft like that.

Even worse is the roll control system on the B52. If the model was constructed with the same system it contributed to the problem. The full scale B52 doesn't have ailerons. It would be too difficult to fly because of the enormous control forces. Instead it uses spoilers which are aerodynamically force neutral but not nearly as effective. The B52 has a strict limit on the degree of bank permitted in flight beyond which recovery may not be possible. That was the cause of the accident at SeaTac when a B52 went in nearly vertical. The pilot had intentionally exceeded the allowed bank angle.

CypherNinja
09-19-2007, 09:40 PM
It would damn near be worth going to jail for just to be able to buzz a big airports tower a few times, maybe do ring around the rosie on the tower and then wait for your bracelets and attorney :D Would sure give the controllers something to talk about for a few days !

Isn't there a video somewhere of this model going down?

PFFFFT!!! Buzz it with this instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT60SkXN1UY

:D

A.K. Boomer
09-19-2007, 09:57 PM
Zero-zero ejection seat system. The plane can be sitting still on the ground and the seat will eject high enough to reliably open the chute. The pilot will still get a hard landing, maybe break a leg or compression fracture of spine, but better than otherwise. The plane I worked on initially had 100-100 seats. Needed 100 knots speed or 100 feet altitude for a safe ejection.
Instead of the earlier explosive charge in a cylinder and piston they now use short-burn rocket motors.


Thanks for the explaination Wes and John H.

boggles my mind at what kind of force is applied to those seats and Wes, i do believe the reason they went short burn rocket propulsion was due to the fact that all the pilots had there spines compressed with the explosive charge models:eek:

Weston Bye
09-20-2007, 07:24 AM
I narrowly escaped taking a ride in an ejection seat on the one and only flight I made in one.

Back during the Viet Nam war I was part of a reconnaisance squadron of RA-5C Vigilantes. We had been on Yankee Station off the coast of N. Viet Nam for an extended period and were finally relieved for a 2-week stand-down at Subic Bay in the Phillipines. During that time the pilots were required to continue flying to maintain currency, but the navigators would have nothing to do but go along for the ride and contribute body weight to maintain aircraft weight and balance. Contrary to regulations, they allowed some of the enlisted men to ride in place of the navigators. I volunteered, so was fitted out in a g-suit, helmet and oxygen mask. They were doing a hot-turnaround with engines running. While I was being strapped in I heard the engines shut down. I was told to safety the seat and climb out. Upon reaching the ground, I saw jet fuel pouring from the bottom of the fuselage. Seems a 3" hose to the bomb bay fuel tanks had ruptured. Had the rupture occurred 10 minutes later, we would have been in the air, in afterburner.

They replaced the hose and I went for the most exciting ride of my life - but not the ejection seat.

sch
09-20-2007, 11:31 AM
The source or reservoir for a lot of the photos and videos
you will be familiar with and others you may not have
seen: http://www.micom.net/oops/
The women live longer sequences have been posted
here before.

Another somewhat complex site, but if you mouse around
and bear with it over all the verbiage (it is a legal site after
all) there are some really nice shots of marine and aviation
mishaps. Astounding what can happen when two 100,000
ton ships bump in the night and insight into all those lost containers.
http://www.cargolaw.com/2004nightmare_on.target.html#the-feature

This sequence is one of my favorites: http://www.cargolaw.com/2002nightmare_towboat.html