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jamscal
10-20-2007, 09:34 AM
Hello all, I picked up a South Bend Shaper for a great price (I'll post pics and details later.)

The guy also has a 9" SB lathe, complete and in great shape, for $1000. He won't take less right now. It has a 4-jaw chuck, a milling attachment, steady and all the general small stuff. There is no quick change gear box, however, and I didn't get any other info.

I was wondering what a good price on this would be? I have a 10 Logan and don't really need it, but would like to make a buck or two if possible.

Thanks,

James

Bill Pace
10-20-2007, 09:53 AM
Without the QC gear box, I personally dont think it'd be anywhere near worth $1000 ---- now, WITH the gear box and in nice condition.....well, that would be altogether different.

I say this after having both, -- and after using the QC ..... yuck on changing out a bunch of gears manually....

J Tiers
10-20-2007, 09:55 AM
I'd say for a SB, you need to start by dividing the price by 2...... the South bend logo price adder.....

Then add back about $150 per "feature", such as taper attachment, QC, milling attachment, etc. Basic price should get steady, chucks, faceplate, change gears, centers and some form of toolpost.

Based on that, possibly up to $650, unless you live in the machine desert.

"condition" is a feature, really good condition may add sensible price.

tony ennis
10-20-2007, 10:53 AM
"...unless you live in the machine desert."

You mean, Kentucky, I assume. :(

My ebay adventures say $1000 is too much for a 9" SB that isn't well-pimped.

jamscal
10-20-2007, 01:47 PM
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j118/jamscal/shaper1.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j118/jamscal/shaper2.jpg

Paid $300 for it. It has 7S4B stamped on it, seems complete and even came with the stand.

I passed on the lathe but have the guy's number.

BTW, I am in Kentucky. It's not the worst machine tool desert.

-James

Rif
10-20-2007, 02:02 PM
Looks like you got a good deal on the shaper. I payed twice as much and don't have a vice.

Is there any chance you could be talked into making a blueprint of the vice and posting it?

Regards,

Brian

aboard_epsilon
10-20-2007, 04:29 PM
not counting my chickens yet ..
I pick up tomorrow

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170158140345&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=007

all the best.mark

Al Messer
10-20-2007, 06:13 PM
Well, for what it's worth, I gave an even $1,000 for my Logan made lathe back in 1993 and I still feel like I got a good deal. I gave $350 for my SB Shaper and I'm well pleased with it as well.

jamscal
10-20-2007, 10:12 PM
Rif,

I can't make a blueprint, but I can take some close up pictures and make some measurements if you'd like. Looking at it today, the vise jaws are just under 4" wide and open up just over 4".

email me at jamscal@bellsouth.net

And thanks everyone for the quick advice on the lathe.

-James

QSIMDO
10-20-2007, 11:36 PM
You scored.
They want $2k for this one.

http://www.industrialsurplus.com/photos/105-056.jpg

Evan
10-21-2007, 04:35 AM
http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/asvise24.jpg

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/asvise3.jpg

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/asvise2.jpg

http://vts.bc.ca/pics2/asvise1.jpg

Chipslinger
10-21-2007, 07:21 AM
What, Evan? Not an exploded view With dimensions? You are getting lazy.

andy_b
10-22-2007, 12:26 PM
not counting my chickens yet ..
I pick up tomorrow

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170158140345&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=007

all the best.mark

congrats on the new lathe. :)

andy b.

aboard_epsilon
10-22-2007, 01:39 PM
picked it up yesterday ...
lot better than i thought it was ...its hand painted ...but a very good job........should clean up nice.

only visual inspection carried out before i carted it away

no visual wear ...no wear that i could feel with finger tips on ways.
minimum of wear in screws..

no accidental damage to the ways.


nice sweet lathe

took it apart like so ...


undid fixings that hold cone pulley on counter shaft ..drifted shaft out ....unhooked belt through gap ..

rest left in one piece .

for a tiny bit of additional money 60 ...

i came away with ....these


found thread dial indicator .... could be south bend .not sure

three other chucks including the four jaw ..south bend

faceplate home made ,...south bend

another faceplate ...unsure ..

homemade .......fixed steady ,....bit rough .but fits ...

handle that fits on end of headstock for manual turning


milling cross-slide attachment .....unsure...probably myford or boxford

complete round column ,.........milling machine to fit "a" lathe

since found out that this is an amolco milling head for boxford myford and probably south bend....they sell well on ebay ...150-300

about 50-100 cutting tools ....including boring bars
2-3 live centres ...
about 5 dead centres .

lots of morse sleeves

pile of Morse taper milling arbours and tool holders for milling head

50 or so drills.

two or three extra gears ....no 127 .....that may make it cut other ranges of threads

4 inch rotary table.....looks home made...

brand new roll of belting ...enough to do counter shaft to motor and counter shaft to lathe with

few hundred other bits and pieces that ........will be looked at again ...when i unload .....


whole collection of books on machining ,gear cutting

including homeshop machinists project books 1-5

several videos by Jose.. Rudy and the gang

Rudy ...how to cut spur gears
Rudy... on milling
jolliffe,.... a taste of milling
rudy ...cutting screw threads

the boxford lathe video....probably the same as the southbend one

several genuine project plans


had to leave behind .......unfinished project fabricated lathe....flintstones special :)

meddings pillar drill ...was OK

disassembled three wheel bandsaw

100 amp air cooled stick welder ...
couple of bench grinders ...
old electric hand drills

because cars suspension travel was taken up. :)

so overall i think i came out on top .

moral of this story don't dismiss an ebay listing because the pictures are crap ....the desciption wrong ...and the guy never answers emails...you never know your luck.

all the best.mark

Rif
10-22-2007, 04:00 PM
Mark,

You are right about e-bay pictures! They are usually very poor. People would probably get better bids if they took better pictures. My Hardinge mill was described as rusty and left outside under a breezeway...or something...while a place was renovated. The pictures were poor and it looked rusty. After buying it, I went down to the seller's place to start taking it apart for shipping and was pleasantly suprised to find almost no rust. What rust that did exist was very mild surface rust on some surfaces that were of no consequence. So far, the machine is running great!

Brian

Rif
10-22-2007, 04:02 PM
Evan,

Thanks for the vise specifications. If I can't find a vise, by the time the P&W lathe is finished, It appears that I'll be making one.

Brian

Alistair Hosie
10-22-2007, 05:52 PM
are you going to use the lathe etc mark?Alistair

aboard_epsilon
10-22-2007, 06:07 PM
yup ...
for the smaller stuff ...
so i don't have to listen to that infernal row of a phase converter ...and save some watts at the same time ..

all the best.mark