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Fasttrack
03-08-2008, 07:37 PM
What do you guys think about a 16 X 30 pacemaker? Well tooled, decent condition, known age ... how much is it worth?

What can you guys say about a 16 X 30? Any thoughts would be welcome!

garyphansen
03-08-2008, 08:02 PM
They are great lathes! Worth more the closer they are to you. I saw one about the size go for I think $1500 on the internet about a week ago. If it is in good shape it is worth a lot more than that. Gary P. Hansen

toastydeath
03-08-2008, 08:22 PM
I've never heard anyone mutter so much as a bad word in the direction of American. They're usually grouped in with other excellent, large lathes, e.g. Monarch, Axelson, and Dean, Smith & Grace.

They're big horsepower, especially for the 16x30. If I recall properly, they have either a 15 or 20 hp spindle just like the bigger versions. The only thing small on them is the envelope.

I'd love to own several.

joeby
03-08-2008, 08:52 PM
Very nice machines. I think the 16 x 30 is in the neighborhood of 5000-6000 lb.
I've used several different sizes of Pacemakers over the years, and liked them as well as anything.
If you don't mind the short bed (for a 16" swing), you could hardly go wrong.
I went to an auction last year with the intention of buying one (Pacemaker 16" lathe was advertised). There were two there, both 16 x 30. I wasn't interested in the short bed, so I didn't bother with them. One sold for $425, the other $450! Same guy took them both. These were both 27 speed, which are the ones to get if you can.

Kevin

lane
03-08-2008, 10:24 PM
Here are a few.
http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-PACEMAKER-ENGINE-LATHE-RECENTLY-UPDATED_W0QQitemZ370029819253QQihZ024QQcategoryZ97 230QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/large-engine-lathe_W0QQitemZ250222572282QQihZ015QQcategoryZ9723 0QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Pacemaker-Engine-Lathe-20-x-32-inch_W0QQitemZ190203907456QQihZ009QQcategoryZ633QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/American-pacemaker-21-x-62-centers-taper-attachment_W0QQitemZ230159389683QQihZ013QQcategory Z97230QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118. l1247QQcmdZViewItem

x39
03-08-2008, 10:37 PM
I've run larger American Pacemakers than the one you're looking at and will echo the sentiments of previous posters, nice equipment.

Fasttrack
03-08-2008, 11:57 PM
Dang ... as always there seems to be a big difference in costs for each machine. I sure wish i could score a 16 by 30 for 450 bucks!

I don't think its going to happen though - i'm curious know what you guys would personally be willing to pay for a machine like that. You guys must hate these questions ... :o

Thanks for the info guys!

Rich Carlstedt
03-08-2008, 11:57 PM
Awesome lathes

Rich

toastydeath
03-09-2008, 01:58 AM
If I had the space for a pacemaker, I'd pay up to about 5k for a moderately sized (16"+ by 72"+)one in good condition and tooled. But unfortunately, businesses still use brands like American so that drives the price up at machine resellers.

I'm not sure what I would pay for the smaller ones.

BadDog
03-09-2008, 03:32 AM
God I would love a 16x30 Pacemaker, but since I'm dreaming, would prefer a 16x40. Problem is, they pretty much don't exist out here (I've only seen a few ENORMOUS examples). Unfortunately, power limits mean I would have to downgrade to no more than about 7 hp max (and that would push my shop service). Still, wow...

Bguns
03-09-2008, 05:08 AM
Get to drool over a bigger one once in awhile.....

A.K. Boomer
03-09-2008, 12:18 PM
Those lathes are built to the gills, wish they made a real small one....

"The outside bed vees were detachable, made from tool steel hardened to 60 Rockwell and designed to be replaceable should the need arise."

japcas
03-09-2008, 12:51 PM
We have 8 american pacemakers in the shop where I work. They've been used heavily and still are pretty accurate if the machinist has the skills. We cut everything under the sun including hastelloy, titanium, molybdium, various series of stainless and aluminum. These lathes have the guts to do about anything a lathe should be able to do. I've seen over 1/2 depth of cuts per side in steel with no problem at all. Ours have longer beds but a little 30 inch bed would be nice in a home shop. I don't get to run them much anymore as I usually run the cnc equipment but it's still a joy to run them on the occasion where I get to crank the handles.

mark61
03-09-2008, 03:59 PM
What do you guys think about a 16 X 30 pacemaker? Well tooled, decent condition, known age ... how much is it worth?

What can you guys say about a 16 X 30? Any thoughts would be welcome!


I bought a 16x56 sounding like this. Was a school machine for a long time. Bought it from the guy who bought it from the school auction and paid $2500. Lots of tooling including several chucks and turret style tool posts but misisng the steady rest. 1 of the toughest machines out there! HEAVY!! Mine has Jarno taper in the head stock which is a bit hard to find low priced centeres .

mark61

Fasttrack
03-10-2008, 01:33 AM
Interesting ...

what can you guys tell me about the 1940's lathes? Apparently this is a 1943 16" by 30"

mark61
03-11-2008, 08:16 AM
You can get info and replacement parts from Bourn & Koch. They have a web site and an expert to answer you questions about indavidual machines.

mark61

Fasttrack
03-11-2008, 11:42 AM
Awsome! Thanks for the tip!