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John Stevenson
04-16-2008, 07:32 AM
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JCHannum
04-16-2008, 07:42 AM
Good price on the shipping.

It always amazes me to see the prices this book brings. The engines and information are good, but nothing not readily available from other sources. There are tons of variations and better plans available, and once you have made a couple, a reasonably clever HSM can duplicate any by just looking at a completed model.

The value will drop like a shot duck the instant a reprint is released.

IOWOLF
04-16-2008, 12:26 PM
I hope he has 2, I would hate to fight with anyone over it.

macona
04-16-2008, 12:29 PM
Plus the family allowed the entire contents of the book to be scanned and placed in 4 Yahoo groups free for the taking. So why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elmers_Engines_1/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elmers_Engines_2/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elmers_Engines_3/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elmers_Engines_4/

deltaenterprizes
04-16-2008, 07:25 PM
And I thought Guy Lautard's book "Hey Tim" was overpriced at $300!

Dawai
04-16-2008, 11:54 PM
I got a 1800's engine book scanned.. some mighty interesting examples of "genius" work in there.. some mighty strange engines.. most were fixed and not mobile, some coal gas engines and etc..

It is on cdrom.. I thought Mary Poppins might want it to distribute, since it is soooooo old there should be no copyrights.

3jaw
04-17-2008, 10:56 AM
Lately I have seen a trend of old books scanned onto CD ROM and sold on e-bay. What the sellers are doing is finding these books on Google books, Project Gutenberg, and other sites that have archived these books and made them available for download.

Case in point:

Ebay auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/Springing-Adjusting-Antique-pocket-watch-maker-Howto-CD_W0QQitemZ270228123239QQihZ017QQcategoryZ14325QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Google Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=1SgJAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Springing+and+Adjusting+of+Watches)

Anything for a buck I guess.

lazlo
04-17-2008, 11:11 AM
What the sellers are doing is finding these books on Google books, Project Gutenberg, and other sites that have archived these books and made them available for download.

Same kind of sleazes that make copies of machine manuals and spam them all over Ebay.

We had a thread about this on PM, and one of the guys doing this said that "he's the good guy." His said his manuals weren't photocopies, they were print-outs on heavy stock. When I pointed out that he's selling the Clausing 5900 and 6900 manuals, which are still under copyright and sold by the Clausing Industrial for less money, he response was something like "well, aside from the copyright issues, I'm one of the good guys."

The funny part is that there are other guys who buy the CD's or paper manuals, re-package them, and then re-sell them for less on Ebay. What goes around comes around :D

JCHannum
04-17-2008, 08:04 PM
There is at least one person selling knockoffs of John Stevenson's T&C Grinder CD also. The joys of the digital age.

wierdscience
04-18-2008, 12:24 AM
The prices charged for some material is obnoxious.Case in point the manual for our Italian lathe at work.$150 for an unreadable copy on thermal paper:mad: That one got me so mad I threated,no promised bodily harm if they didn't supply a factory manual,since they were the factory and that's what I paid them for.I paid $1350 for the gear I needed and they tried to shaft me on the stupid book.

Then there is the other end of the spectrum,our Wafum universal mill(Polish) for $60 I got both volumes,leather bound folders no less that included technical drawings about every detail of the machine.

Best of all was Leland Gifford,they sent a spiral bound copy of a LMS2 drillpress free of charge.I actually bought parts from them.

macona
04-18-2008, 02:17 AM
Monarch will supply you with a copy of the manual for your lathe by serial number. Including copy of original build sheets and receipts. Schematics to match your drive too.

$75

Priceless...

mlucek
04-18-2008, 02:26 PM
$3000
:eek: Geeeezzzz .... makes the one on eBay right now look cheap at $375 :p