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carlquib
05-31-2008, 09:02 PM
I have an opportunity to pick a small shaper, but I don't know what kind of shaper it is. Here is the only picture that I have.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q117/carlquib/shaper.jpg

Anyone know what make it is and what it would be worth. I haven't seen this shaper in person because it is 400 miles away. The old gentleman that has it says it is in good shape but I'm not sure that it has the original vice. Any help would be appreciated.

While I'm on the subject of small shapers, is there such a thing as a universal shaper in the 7 to 12 inch range?

-brian

eeler1
05-31-2008, 09:58 PM
You could also try asking here;

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Metal_Shapers/?yguid=120124747

Someone is bound to have one like it. In fact, it looks an awful lot like an older Shape-Rite on this guys page;

http://notforsale.net/old_iron/

I know Shape-Rite offered a universal table on some of their 8" shapers. Others may have as well.

I traded for mine, maybe $300 worth of my time for a shaperite without the vise and with a few things that needed fixing. If you don't like the vise, just give it to me. They sometimes go for as much as the rest of the machine on ebay.

MickeyD
05-31-2008, 10:45 PM
I don't think that it is a shape-rite - the door on the side is different. Looks like a nice little machine though.

JRouche
05-31-2008, 11:30 PM
Sorry, dont have my archive of pictures on this computer, but I will look later. I like it. Did he say what hes looking to get for it.. I just happen to love shapers, dunno why, just the simplicity maybe.. Ill go up and look at my pics see if I can identify it.. JR

Doc Nickel
05-31-2008, 11:34 PM
That looks very much like my Lewis (http://www.docsmachine.com/machineshop/lewis.jpg). According to the Machine Tool Archive, the Lewis' were "kits (http://www.lathes.co.uk/lewis/index.html)", in the form of castings and parts, that the buyer would then finish.

I don't have a photo, but mine has the same circular door, albeit whoever built mine put the hinge at the bottom, for some unfathomable reason. I'm also in the middle of mounting it to a cabinet-style (http://www.docsmachine.com/fabshop/shaperstand04.jpg) stand, where the motor and belts will be mounted inside, for a more "factory" look.

Doc.

dp
06-01-2008, 12:31 AM
http://www.neme-s.org/shapers/columns/shaper_column_40.html

carlquib
06-01-2008, 01:01 AM
Doc and DP thanks, I believe that you are correct. The old gentleman that has this shaper was told it was a Logan, but I haven't ever seen a Logan that looked like this one. After some more looking I wonder if it is actually a 7" stroke? What size kits did Lewis offer. The other thing I haven't figured out is where the table is raised and lowered. On the pictures that I have links to, it looks like there is a screw on the left side as you face the machine and on some of the bigger Lewis's there appears to be two screws to raise and lower the table, thoughts?

-brian

dp
06-01-2008, 01:13 AM
These were kits so I guess there's going to be variation from one unit to the next, but the Lewis pictures I recall always had the vertical screw just forward of the bull gear access door as shown in Mr. Volz's picture. They also have a table support at the front of the table. Looks like that is laying on it's side in your picture. What made me think your picture was not a Lewis at first was the missing table lifting screw. Not even a place to put one, so it may be a model I'm not familiar with.

TJB
06-01-2008, 01:42 AM
I think it is an AMMOCO but you can check item #310054590272 on Ebay or Tony Jaffres site in the UK or Kay Pat Fisher's site on the NAMES site

carlquib
06-01-2008, 02:03 AM
While we are on shapers I found Art Volzs Lewis Yahoo group, but it has been completely overrun by spammers since Art's passing. Any idea if it is possible to take over the moderator job on a yahoo group so I can save what is left of a great source of information on Lewis machines?

-brian

Doc Nickel
06-01-2008, 02:07 AM
My Lewis is a 10", and the Lathes.co.uk archive agrees.

I didn't notice the "missing" table elevation screw... I wonder if the original builder for whatever reason preferred the screw on the opposite side, and moved it? I don't see a center knee-mill type screw, and I can't imagine there's no screw at all...

Another difference between the green one and mine is the table. My casting isn't anywhere near thick enough for T-slots that size. Or really, T-slots at all, as it's only 1/2" to 3/4" thick in most places. There's a boss cast in obviously for a V-groove, for shaping the ends of round stock, but the groove itself was never machined.

The foot of the base casting also seems thicker than mine.

But, that said, the crank-access door and ram shape are spot-on the same as mine, as is the overall shape of the main body casting. I'm virtually certain it's a Lewis. Hurry up and go buy it so we can see more photos. :D

Doc.

carlquib
06-01-2008, 02:13 AM
Working on a plan to get this thing home, but still haven't figured out all the particulars. It is that nasty distance thing and the price of fuel. I think it is small enough that I could have my wife pick it up in the van when she goes to see her family on the coast. Still not sure what kind of value to put on this thing. It looks like the vice may be an original Lewis, from the pictures that I have seen.

I will have to start a new thread on saving Art's yahoo group and see if anyone knows anything. I think that there were a couple people here that knew Art personally. I didn't really know him with the exception of corresponding with him in my search for a manual for a 16" Gemco Hy Duty Plain Shaper.

-brian

carlquib
06-01-2008, 02:19 AM
I agree Doc, I am in the process of getting more pictures. I have an acquaintance that is going to try and get over there tomorrow to put eyes on this critter and send me a bunch more pictures. I should have a better idea what I will be doing tomorrow. I will have to tell them to take a tape so I can get a better handle on the size of this thing.

-brian

mendoje
06-01-2008, 03:11 PM
I think it is an AMMOCO ...

Not an AMMCO, I have one. The AMMCO door is not hinged.

I looked at all the links at Tony's site, the only one that comes close is a Lewis. The door, ram, and vise look correct. The remaining small differences can easily be explained by it being offered as a kit.

What is the stroke of the machine you're looking at? The Lewis is advertised as a 10" stroke.


Jeff

carlquib
06-01-2008, 06:26 PM
I don't know yet, if you have looked at the picture you know as much about this machine as I do.

-brian