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Bob Farr
07-01-2008, 04:58 PM
It's green, and it's alive! Little Ms. Frankenstein is an early flat belt driven 6" AMMCO shaper. I found this in a basement where it was stored unused long enough for the flat belt to begin rotting. A little cleaning, some fresh oil, and we're scraping away like she was new! Nice and quiet, too.

It came with the vice and original maple stand, though the doors and drawer are missing. I'll treat her to some new belts and more cleaning, but the screws and ways are in great shape and everything works including the reversing automatic cross feed. Oh, the joy!

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g272/frankenglide/Running1.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g272/frankenglide/Running2.jpg

JBL37
07-01-2008, 06:32 PM
Bob: Great find. Know you will enjoy using it. Jim

garyphansen
07-01-2008, 07:34 PM
Try an auto serpentine belts. you can get used ones for free from a local car fixing garage and cut, lap and glue them to length with loctite glue for all plastics. Gary P. Hansen

Quetico Bob
07-01-2008, 07:40 PM
Super nice Mr. Farr! Nice to find a piece of equipment that has been forgotten in such, um, shape.;)
Cheers, Bob

ammcoman2
07-01-2008, 07:41 PM
Nice find - looks like my one's brother (sister?)

Join the Yahoo shaper chat group as there is loads of info and expertise there.

Let me know if you need a copy of the operating manual.

Beware that you will surely become hypnotized by the action!!!

Geoff

clutch
07-01-2008, 09:22 PM
Following the customs of rec.crafts.woodworking.,
YOU SUCK!

Clutch

Bob Farr
07-02-2008, 12:12 AM
Thanks gents, I'm pretty pleased with the find and had to share it. Most of my evening has been spent in the garage watching this machine run. Hipnotized is the right word!

Gary, thanks for the serpentine belt tip. I think I may have and old one hanging up somewhere in the rafters already so I'll give that a try. I found a guy near Chicago that still makes leather drive belts for a reasonable number of beer tokens, so I may order one anyway.

Geoff, thanks and I'll take you up on that offer for an operating manual. I have a scanned copy of some sales literature, but it's not very helpful in explaining how to run the machine. I'll send you a PM.

Clutch, it isn't often that I make a score like this, so I'll take that as a compliment! BTW, if you're north of where the fudgies roam you must be above the bridge, where only the heartiest pastie tourist dares to travel!

Fasttrack
07-02-2008, 01:16 AM
Awsome! I love watching shapers work. They are so neat and the sounds as the click through all their motions is neat too.

Hey how do you like your Gorton mill, if you don't mind me asking? I'm looking to buy a mill and I ran into a Gorton. I was wondering what they're like to use.

Bob Farr
07-02-2008, 01:38 AM
I like the Gorton a lot, but I'm new to machine work so I don't have experience with other mills to compare it with. I have the smallest model, an O-16A with a universal head. Here's a picture for scale. It's a sit-down machine, which is a pretty confortable way to work! I'll PM some more info to you.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g272/frankenglide/Gorton4-1.jpg

jungle_geo
07-02-2008, 02:37 AM
Great find Bob!
I have a similar model except with the cable feed mechanism. Included when I bought it was all the original flat belt pulleys and guards in a box, but unfortunately the owners before me discarded the original stand and converted the machine to a single V-belt and tossed the old flat belt.
I'd like to restore the machine the original specification (I'm close now), but I don't know the length of the flat belt or center-to-center distance of the flat belt pulleys.
When you get a chance can you measure either or both and let me know what those measurements are on your shaper?
Do you need information on the belt guards (not shown in your photos)? Just let me know.

Thanks,
george

Bob Farr
07-02-2008, 03:35 AM
*** I'd like to restore the machine the original specification (I'm close now), but I don't know the length of the flat belt or center-to-center distance of the flat belt pulleys. *** Thanks,
george

Hi George,

With my flat belt tension nuts adjusted to approx the center of their range, the center-to-center distance between the belt pulleys is 15.25".

Measuring around the outside perimeter of the flat belt mounted on the pulleys I came up with 42". The inside perimeter, measured around the pulleys, is 41". My belt is 1.125" wide and is the clip/pin style.

Here's a link to the place I was thinking of ordering a new flat leather belt from: http://www.leatherdrivebelts.com/ I don't have any experience with that shop yet, but I'll probably place an order soon and I'll let you know how it goes. I'll probably go with an endless belt with a lapped & sewn joint instead of the clip/pin style again.

Thanks for offering but I have the guards for mine, I just didn't have them on for that picture. I'm glad to help any way I can so let me know if you need other measurements or pictures. Post a picture of yours, I'd love to see it!

Bob

jungle_geo
07-03-2008, 02:43 AM
Here yah go! :)
Thanks for the dimensions! From them it looks like I guessed pretty close. In the picture you can see I've got it on a temporary stand that came with it and that I have modified adding the "back porch" to attach the original belts and motor on. I am currently running a urethane belt and note that this model has the cable power feed mechanism.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk245/jungle_geo/AMMCO60001.jpg

Bob Farr
07-03-2008, 09:58 AM
That's a great looking machine George! Other that the cable feed it looks like we have twin sisters. Is that cable feed an OEM part or an owner mod? Here's a couple more pics of mine, serial number SH221093, including the drive arrangement. If you're going to make a new maple cabinet for your restoration let me know and I can gather some dimensions for you.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g272/frankenglide/Running4.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g272/frankenglide/Running5.jpg

jungle_geo
07-03-2008, 06:23 PM
That is the original OEM cable drive. As I understand it the first production runs utilized the cable assembly for power feed.
I do plan on building a cabinet for the shaper to bring it back to the original specifications, but that is probably a least a year away due to the huge list of projects I have stacked up before it.
If and when you have time, if you could get me the measurements of your cabinet that would be much appreciated.
There is also a manual for the AMMCO 7" shaper that is the next model later than yours. Its nearly identical to yours except the motor mount is vertical and the table feed is from the side via a bevel gear arrangement instead of underneath. Let me know if you want me to send you a pdf copy of it (in color even).
Have you looked into joining the Yahoo shaper group? http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Metal_Shapers/

thanks!

Wow! I just noticed you even have the lamp included with yours! Great find!

ammcoman2
07-03-2008, 07:41 PM
I forgot to mention in my earlier post that one can get a reasonably accurate idea of the date of manufacture on the Ammco shapers by looking under the ram guard casting. On mine there is a number stamped into the casting 02 40.
The serial number of my machine is SH1111019. No one has been able to come up with a date/serial number connection.

If a "post production" paint job was done then it could be difficult to see the numbers. I noticed them only after stripping the paint off.

The castings were typically left a while to "season" so it is a guess as to when the unit was made but Pete Verbree figures about 6-12 months back in those days. I would figure that once War Production got underway the "seasoning" time dropped a bit!

If anyone cracks the serial number to date connection then I'll be very impressed.

Geoff