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chief
10-05-2008, 06:01 AM
Below are two examples of socialist stupidity, lets not let it happen here in the US. We don't even need to talk about the fact that the UK has given legal
status to the sharia garbage. Canada is pulling a lot of this BS too. It's only a matter of time before some liberal asswipe decides machine tools can be used to make weapons.
I now understand why my father left Wales.


UK Big bother issues national ID cards.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/09/28/do2804.xml


Police tell Britons to leave garages unlocked to help theives.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2095093/posts

M_C
10-05-2008, 06:20 AM
Did you actually read either of those two articles?

It's only foreign nationals working in the UK that ID cards are compulsory for, and last time I checked, the local council wasn't the police....

Rigger
10-05-2008, 07:09 AM
I just looked through the last few copies of HSM I have here.
Didn't see any relevance to the Telegraph, local councils, ID cards or whatever so it is OFF TOPIC

A.K. Boomer
10-05-2008, 07:20 AM
Paranoia big destroya --------------- :rolleyes:

derekm
10-05-2008, 07:51 AM
.... We don't even need to talk about the fact that the UK has given legal
status to the sharia garbage... I now understand why my father left Wales ...

I think we do, since you have taken to slandering my country and others.

I take great offence at you propagating an number of outright lies:mad:

Look at this about "What can sharia courts do in Britain" (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/lawreports/joshuarozenberg/2957692/What-can-sharia-courts-do-in-Britain.html)
Read closely and all of it. They only have same scope as Jewish courts that is - a voluntary court of arbitration ,which any one can establish since it is by voluntary agreement. They cannot do anything which effects personal status or do anything contrary to the law of the UK. And in fact the its all covered by an act of parliament of 1996 (about Arbitration) (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts1996/ukpga_19960023_en_1) so it not even news, just scaremongering by a few tabloids.

Are you the sort of person that reads tabloids and is easily incensed by their scaremongering to insult and abuse others?:rolleyes:
I think you should read some modern history of what happens when a number of people behave like that.
Then ask yourself is that what you personally wish to become.

Evan
10-05-2008, 07:59 AM
National ID cards on the way?

February 14, 2005 4:00 AM PST

A recent vote in Congress endorsing standardized, electronically readable driver's licenses has raised fears about whether the proposal would usher in what amounts to a national ID card.
In a vote that largely divided along party lines, the U.S. House of Representatives approved a Republican-backed measure that would compel states to design their driver's licenses by 2008 to comply with federal antiterrorist standards. Federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to everything from airplanes to national parks and some courthouses.

The congressional maneuvering takes place as governments are growing more interested in implanting technology in ID cards to make them smarter and more secure. The U.S. State Department soon will begin issuing passports with radio frequency identification, or RFID, chips embedded in them, and Virginia may become the first state to glue RFID tags into all its driver's licenses.

http://news.cnet.com/National-ID-cards-on-the-way/2100-1028_3-5573414.html

oldtiffie
10-05-2008, 08:28 AM
Wow Derek - you sure are a heavy hitter and based on what you say you have good reason to be.
(Your link at/to: http://what-can-sharia-courts-do-in-britain.html/ is not accessible - please rectify).

The following link might broaden the discussion somewhat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_identity_card_policies_by_country

Your point about the UK "tabloids" is well made and well founded and apparently well-known in all but the US - as testament by several recent "sucked-in" episodes here. The "baby needs a specialist crib etc." was one - I forget the other.

I suggest that those outside the UK "read and digest" the following link as it will not only inform you but may well save you considerable future embarrassment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid_press

Don't let me stand in your way Derek -as if you would, or could - you are doing a fine job.

No holds barred.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare-knuckle_fighter

"Last man standing" Rules apply.

"Seconds out please".


Have at it!!!

Rigger
10-05-2008, 08:28 AM
So this is now running up to yet another 10 page OT soapbox that has nothing to do with home workshops and techniques.
Even our illustrious poster Evan now spends more time on OT posts than making or showing things.

Chief has a history of sh1t stirring anyway and his non political posts can be counted on the right hand of a Shiite thief

We await with bated breath the lasted Tiffiepedia addition from our resident cut and paste expert.
Oops he beat me to it, why am I not surprised ?

oldtiffie
10-05-2008, 08:34 AM
Your wish is my command.

Mcgyver
10-05-2008, 08:38 AM
socialism is a economic strategy/condition not a measure of how Draconian a government is. last i checked socialism was alive and well in almost all the countries loosing their manufacturing, NA, Western Europe, etc. hmmmmm, anyone see a trend there? apparently not the voters.

derekm
10-05-2008, 08:42 AM
Rigger - you are quite right I would far rather discuss the relative merits of old iron versus new and german versus chinese machine tools. This kind of stuff should stay on "Americasdebate" or such like. The moderator should be firm on this.

This time I can't let repeated unfounded attacks of this kind against my homeland go unanswered - We have a tendency over here to just think "Silly Sod" and say nothing, but after a few of these I think "sod them" and have a go.

Tiffie - the link is fixed.

oldtiffie
10-05-2008, 08:57 AM
Rigger,
I wish you more luck and success than I've had in getting and keeping threads firstly to HSM matters and secondly that they are not hi-jacked to the extent that they do not relate to the subject of the OP.

I have been an "offender" more often than I would like in that regard as well.

People getting all excited by stuff in the UK tabloids is a good case in point - but there are many others.

Derek,
many thanks for fixing the link. It was very much to the point and is a good read.

Rigger
10-05-2008, 09:00 AM
Go to the main general thread, click on replies and sort in highest order.
Now look at how many are OT, then look at how many that are not OT should be.
Then look and see how many have been locked.

What does that tell you ?
The answer is that all these posters don't belong on this group but some ass arsed political forum.

Derek, do a search here

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/search.php?searchid=212426

This is all Chief's posts, now look through and see what relevance the majority have to this group.

Rustybolt
10-05-2008, 09:04 AM
Has anybody found an alternative to ebay yet? Someplace you can list something for little or no fee?
Craigslist is good , but an auction site would be better.







Howzat for derailing a thread?

torker
10-05-2008, 09:23 AM
You guys are bored...you need to buy a tractor ;)
(Ya.. I know.. I'm just havin a rest...from my tractor)

Peter N
10-05-2008, 09:24 AM
I now understand why my father left Wales.


Is it 'cos they found out he was a sheep-shagger? :D




Peter
(with apologies to aboard_epsilon)

oldtiffie
10-05-2008, 09:31 AM
You guys are bored...you need to buy a tractor ;)
(Ya.. I know.. I'm just havin a rest...from my tractor)

Nice try Russ, but I doubt you will get much traction here either. We need that mud tractor you were racing!!

By the way, how is the tractor project going?

Rigger
10-05-2008, 09:33 AM
Is it 'cos they found out he was a sheep-shagger? :D


Peter


That could account for Chief :D

wierdscience
10-05-2008, 09:39 AM
So the tolerant will be eaten alive by the intolerant,it's just history repeating itself.

torker
10-05-2008, 09:43 AM
Nice try Russ, but I doubt you will get much traction here either. We need that mud tractor you were racing!!

By the way, how is the tractor project going?
LOL! I got the ol' girl up and working. Still needs a ton of TLC but it's doing what I need it to for now. Gotta get a lot done and soon. They're calling for snow next week.
I still need to cut the FEL bucket apart and rebuild it. I'm looking forward to that. Get to put all the "bucket buildin" experience I've learned over the years to use on something of my own for a change.
How we doin?? Are we OT yet? :D
Russ

oldtiffie
10-05-2008, 09:51 AM
How we doin?? Are we OT yet? :D
Russ
As regards the OP - way way out /OT!!

Was the OP OT? Damn right it was.

Were you:
- OT? No way.
- sh*t-stirring? Damn right.

Keep it going - you're doing OK.

Are you planning on using the front end loader as a snow plough as well?

Any pics?

wierdscience
10-05-2008, 10:00 AM
LOL! I got the ol' girl up and working. Still needs a ton of TLC but it's doing what I need it to for now. Gotta get a lot done and soon. They're calling for snow next week.
I still need to cut the FEL bucket apart and rebuild it. I'm looking forward to that. Get to put all the "bucket buildin" experience I've learned over the years to use on something of my own for a change.
How we doin?? Are we OT yet? :D
Russ


Hey,here's an idea,take the forks and rack off that forklift and weld up a set of forks for the FEL.Handy I tells ya,Handy:)

Rigger
10-05-2008, 10:04 AM
Any pics?

What of ? the sheep ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_doll

A.K. Boomer
10-05-2008, 10:13 AM
Rigger --- Tiffer already posted that same sex doll wiki page along time ago, along with approximately half of wiki's entire information base - god bless em -- weve all learned ohhh so very much...

derekm
10-05-2008, 10:16 AM
Anyone for cricket? :)

oldtiffie
10-05-2008, 10:18 AM
What of ? the sheep ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_doll

You betcha!!

I rather thought that we in OZ and NZ were acknowledged world champions and had left the Welsh and Scots well behind in our dust!!!

Blow up dolls? Any amount - we supply the terrorists!! Makes ya damn careful about "pressing their buttons" though!! Some of the real ones are no better!! And its stops us going blind.

But I'm ex-Navy - says it all - doesn't it?

I wonder if we can get Russ to sort it out with his FEL?

That should make for some interesting pics!!

oldtiffie
10-05-2008, 10:24 AM
Rigger --- Tiffer already posted that same sex doll wiki page along time ago, along with approximately half of wiki's entire information base - god bless em -- weve all learned ohhh so very much...

Yeah - remember AK. I also posted a PB pic and suggested that it was you hanging by 'em but someone must have got upset 'cos PB deleted it!!

That Wikipedia sure is taking some keeping up with - but I suspect its getting ahead of me. But I will keep trying - just to keep you informed!!

oldtiffie
10-05-2008, 10:31 AM
Anyone for cricket? :)

Sure - as long as no one takes the "long handle" to anyone else!! Just as India is doing to us!!!
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22taking+the+long+handle%22&btnG=Search&meta=

Evan
10-05-2008, 10:37 AM
Even our illustrious poster Evan now spends more time on OT posts than making or showing things.


You may have noticed that I am hardly posting at all right now. The reason is that what I am doing isn't related much to machining. I am making things and have too much to do but it's directly related to winter coming soon. I have barely been in the machine shop at all lately. I am also busy in my spare time programming.

lazlo
10-05-2008, 11:06 AM
You may have noticed that I am hardly posting at all right now.

Seems like you're posting as much as ever :)

By the way guys, if you're worried about national ID cards, then you'll have an brain aneurysm when you find out about RFID's -- the radio microchips that are embedded in modern documents and credit cards. They broadcast your personal information when in range of any RFID receiver.

All US passports issued since 911 have RFID chips in them, and the credit card companies are going to start issuing all new credit cards with RFID's.

The Mythbusters were going to have an episode showing how easy it was to pull your private data from a drive-by RFID, but the credit card companies told Discovery Channel that was not going to happen, and they pulled the episode:

http://www.youtube.com/v/X034R3yzDhw&hl=en&fs=1

They actually sell wallets now that are lined with copper mesh so the RFID tags in your passport or credit cards can't be read without your permission. I'm not a particularly paranoid person, but I'm thinking of buying one for my passport...

Norman Atkinson
10-05-2008, 11:22 AM
I have been through a number of Passport Controls in the past 6 months. In fact, I have been through 14- I'm a rich git, you could say.

At every entry or exit, my passport has been scanned.
OK, I have a Driving Licence which contains a fair number of personal details whilst my National Insurance number is in regular use. It appears every month on one of my bank statements, it appears on my monthly medication and my tax return and so on -almost ad nauseum.

My pre-1939 National Registration number is still in existence. It got me a Ration Card once but what I get for its use now, I haven't a clue.

Ok, in a bit of a hilarious mood, I quoted my RAF Service Number of 60 years ago.

In the past few days, it and my service records were stolen.
Unabashed, I can laugh. The whole bloody lot for the whole RAF went AWOL!

So much for identity. I've long since got to be past caring.
It does bugger up the people who have something to hide.
All that I hide is what is in my underpants- which isn't much- I am informed!

oldtiffie
10-05-2008, 11:38 AM
By the way guys, if you're worried about national ID cards, then you'll have an brain aneurysm when you find out about RFID's -- the radio microchips that are embedded in modern documents and credit cards. They broadcast your personal information when in range of any RFID receiver.

All US passports issued since 911 have RFID chips in them, and the credit card companies are going to start issuing all new credit cards with RFID's.

They actually sell wallets now that are lined with copper mesh so the RFID tags in your passport or credit cards can't be read without your permission. I'm not a particularly paranoid person, but I'm thinking of buying one for my passport...

Thanks for the"heads up" lazlo.

Surprise, surprise, I went to Wikipedia for more info.

I don't know whether I should have or not as I felt better not knowing. The technical detail was beyond me but the ramifications were not.

It was a good read.

I thought I'd seen the last of the "Tempest"-testing/security (and calibrated/certified "earthed" copper mesh RF screen/ing) when I retired from Defence 11 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID_chip

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEMPEST

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=tempest+test&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Rigger
10-05-2008, 11:43 AM
I have been through a number of Passport Controls in the past 6 months. In fact, I have been through 14- I'm a rich git, you could say.


All that I hide is what is in my underpants- which isn't much- I am informed!

That's all we need on this thread, the village idiot.
Norman you are correct it isn't much.

Norman Atkinson
10-05-2008, 12:08 PM
Rigger,
There is nothing that the experienced investigator cannot discover. You should know that- indirectly your CV suggests that you are in security.Bloody Hell, that's a laugh as cracked security has been about since the Wooden Horse of Troy.

I have no illusions whatsover. You, for instance mentioned a Boxford and John Stevenson so you were in Nottingham.
It's start for those who want to be ar5ed.

For the rest of you, the Brits know all about everyone that passes into their country. It may take time but_______

Continuing the but----------------------has anyone seen pages 1 and 2 of the Sunday Times today.

Rigger
10-05-2008, 12:29 PM
Dear Mr Sherlock Atkinson,

Just to make it easier.
Yes I am in security, at present on fuel convoys in Northern Iraq.
I am employed by a British company with headquarters in Solihull, West Midlands where I also have use of a company flat.
I have US, Iraqi and Australian passports but not in the same name.

I bought a Boxford lathe off John Stevenson about 3 years ago and it's in storage in Solihull.
I have met him three times, the last time was last year, about this time when I was over on leave.

I don't own a house because you own them all according to your posts, I don't own a car.
I have 7 driving licenses including the new British one and again not all in my name.
I own three motor cycles, all in storage and non registered to me yet.

Does this help.?

oldtiffie
10-05-2008, 12:40 PM
.............................................

Continuing the but----------------------has anyone seen pages 1 and 2 of the Sunday Times today.

Norm,
it would help if the subjects were mentioned.

Those of us not in the UK have no chance of reading the "hard copy" editions at all.

I went to the "on-line" version and could not see anything of interest mentioned in this thread:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/
(Somali pirates?)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4882260.ece

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=sunday+times&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

lazlo
10-05-2008, 12:55 PM
I have been through a number of Passport Controls in the past 6 months. In fact, I have been through 14- I'm a rich git, you could say.

At every entry or exit, my passport has been scanned.

Same here: I have the RFID in my passport (you can feel the lump under the paper on the picture page), but Customs still manually scans your passport. But I have no doubt that they're also reading your RFID as you walk through the Customs booth.

If you're a brave man, or haven't had a proctology exam in awhile, you might lean over the counter and see if there's any RFID information that comes-up on the Customs computer screen.


I thought I'd seen the last of the "Tempest"-testing/security (and calibrated/certified "earthed" copper mesh RF screen/ing) when I retired from Defence 11 years ago.

That's basically what the anti-RFID wallets are: Tempest shielding for your passport :)

Teenage_Machinist
10-05-2008, 01:03 PM
As somebody who WISHES he lived in the UK but doesn't
(might end up moving there if this election doesn't happen which is a vauge possibility, or if I can manage to go to a foreign university)

I find this sort of paranoia a bit wierd. RFID tags are a prolblem, and not insurmountable (aluminym, special wallets,ect) In general, Britain does WAY less of this stuff then Guantanamo / Wewerethelasttooutlawslaveryland. Wish I lived in an Old Country. Taxes = A small price to pay.

bob ward
10-05-2008, 01:49 PM
Back to the sheep shaggers.

For those of you who are socially inept and can't make it with a real sheep, there is an alternative.

http://www.muttonbone.com/store.html

Norman Atkinson
10-05-2008, 02:05 PM
Mick,
The ST was refering to tapping the internet and phones - but not just for 'special cases'

Again, I am not bothered but it is the shape of things to come.

Rigger,
I was merely illustrating just how much information can be deduced in seconds. Delete your post, please. We may not agree but that is a part of life.

Going back almost 10 years, I traced two families- from entries in the Times 50 years earlier. Importantly, my searching was in a 'Good Cause' but others may not have such ideas.

I have just met a friend who has just had his bank account details 'mis-used'

Please- and Thanks!

Ikase,
Despite all that has been said. The UK is pretty safe.
We don't ask people to leave their property open to every 'Tow rag' Most of us are honest and all that. There are rotten apples- but that is no change to being in the US- or anywhere else.

Take the Press with a pinch of salt. They have to get headlines.

Norman

loose nut
10-05-2008, 03:54 PM
You betcha!!

But I'm ex-Navy - says it all - doesn't it?



I figured as much.

Engine room artificer or maybe a sick berth tifie? 'fess up.

loose nut
10-05-2008, 04:16 PM
Back to the original post, if anyone can remember what it was about. The point he was trying to put across is that governments might force the registration of machine tools, like firearms, because they can be used to make weapons.

To late, during WW1 many model engineer's in Britain were recruited to make war material at home, to make up the short fall in industry. After the war there was a registry of metal shop equipment owners kept up in Britain for just that purpose. During WW2 if you had large enough equipment, lathes etc, they where taken by the government for factory use, if they didn't want it, the owners were frequently given contracts to make war material IE: rough machining shells, grenades or sten gun parts.

The worm has turned, back then they wanted you to make guns in the basement and now they will fry you if your caught doing the same thing!!!!

He's right though it's only a matter of time before someone suggests it.

Norman Atkinson
10-05-2008, 04:50 PM
Sten guns? But there is only one machined part.
The rest is welded or a bed spring.

Well, mine was thusly.

Again, was it all true about small lathes?
Way back, I had the control valve for a model ramjet made on a home Myford. The guy worked at Vickers Armstrongs but -not with his Myford. The watchmakers lathe- for another guy was still in his attic. I used it as a kid.

Apocryphal- perhaps?

oldtiffie
10-05-2008, 07:54 PM
You betcha!!

But I'm ex-Navy - says it all - doesn't it?


I figured as much.

Engine room artificer or maybe a sick berth tifie? 'fess up.

Not ERA, but Ordnance Artificer (OA), eventually Chief OA RAN (OZ Navy).

oldtiffie
10-05-2008, 10:41 PM
Seems like you're posting as much as ever :)

By the way guys, if you're worried about national ID cards, then you'll have an brain aneurysm when you find out about RFID's -- the radio microchips that are embedded in modern documents and credit cards. They broadcast your personal information when in range of any RFID receiver.

All US passports issued since 911 have RFID chips in them, and the credit card companies are going to start issuing all new credit cards with RFID's.

.............................................
.............................................

They actually sell wallets now that are lined with copper mesh so the RFID tags in your passport or credit cards can't be read without your permission. I'm not a particularly paranoid person, but I'm thinking of buying one for my passport...

Lazlo,

following on from previous posts on the RFID topic, this gem came in today - any help or relevance?
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/soa/Hacker-talks-fooling-e-passport-systems-/0,130061744,339292431,00.htm?ocid=nl_TNB_06102008_ fea_l4

Evan
10-06-2008, 12:02 AM
RFID tags are a prolblem, and not insurmountable (aluminym, special wallets,ect)

The issue with RFID isn't drive by scanning. It's the amount of information stored, they type of information stored and who has "legitimate" access to that information. Your shielded wallet does no good when you are required to wave the card in front of a reader before you can get in for an appointment with any federal official such as your congressman, somebody at BATF, or even just to vote. It enables the positive identification and creation of a dossier of your activities and movements that is automatically kept with no effort or training required. If your drivers licence contains RFID then it may end up being scanned any time you need to present ID for anyone at anytime.

Of course you could just stick it in the microwave for 1 second but then it would set off alarms because it didn't work when required.

Funny thing about this, I was mentioning this some years ago here and several of the board members dismissed the issue as unlikely and nothing to worry about. I see the tune is changing. Just wait until it is included in your cash.

For your further consideration there now exist iris scanners that can function at a distance of several feet with only a casual glance in the direction of the instrument. Sort of like a supermarket bar code reader but for humans.

lazlo
10-06-2008, 12:06 AM
following on from previous posts on the RFID topic, this gem came in today - any help or relevance?

Yes, completely relevant Tiff -- that's some scary stuff!

And yes Evan, this is a drive-by hack:

Hacker talks fooling e-passport systems

The researcher who claims to have created code that can emulate and clone e-passports has given details of the purported hack.

Being able to read e-passports from a distance also opens up the possibility of a hacker reading a passport remotely and then using a person's credentials to authenticate himself, wrote the commentator.

...and to make matters worse, look what a terrorist could do once they can read the RFID data on your passport:

The security of the system is further flawed by RFID tags not having to be in close proximity to the readers, according to a commentator on The Hacker's Choice website called 'The Ministry of Truth'.

"Thanks to the e-passports it is now possible to build smart-[improvised explosive devices, or IEDs]," wrote the commentator. "A smart-IED waits until a specific person passes by before detonating, or let's say until there are more than 10 Americans in the room. Boom."

lazlo
10-06-2008, 12:16 AM
By the way, aside from passports (now) having RFID's and credit cards soon having RFID's (and you'll have custom advertisements as you walk up to an ATM machine, for example), the RFID industry is also proposing to embed the chip in your body :rolleyes:

Karri, the cute red-head on Mythbusters, had an RFID put in her arm last season.

Evan
10-06-2008, 01:09 AM
Certainly a driveby hack is possible but that isn't what worries me at all. It's the steady and relentless accumulation of information by the authorities that may be used in ways not at all favorable to yourself, especially by mistake. What happens if you just happen to be so unlucky as to have walked in the door, stood in line at a bank or whatever and then left at about the same time as a known drug dealer, terrorist suspect etc? Will that automatically put you on a list? Probably. You may never know why your application for ______ was refused or why you didn't get the job at ______.

chief
10-06-2008, 05:01 AM
Loosenut,

You got exactly what my point was, "give them an inch and they will take a mile".
I noticed no one said much about leaving their garages open for theives, what's next, leave the house unlocked? I must assume many accept this convoluted logic.

Not fear mongering at all, just pointing out the reality.

John Stevenson
10-06-2008, 05:20 AM
Loosenut,


I noticed no one said much about leaving their garages open for theives, what's next, leave the house unlocked? I must assume many accept this convoluted logic.

Not fear mongering at all, just pointing out the reality.

And neither did the article.
What the article did say was that people using allotments or gardens with council owned shed on them would be wise to leave them unlocked to prevent damage.

Now unless you are familiar with these types of building it might seem like scaremongering but most are simple shaky wooden shed that hold a few garden tools like spade, fork etc

Lock it and the druggies will break the door open on the assumption if it's locked there is something valuable and they are easy to get into.
Leave it unlocked and they will look in see that a fork and spade isn't worth carrying a mile and it won't get them a fix anyway and they move on.

Any decent workshop with decent security will generally go unmolested as they can get easier pickings.

We have three sheds at the bottom of our garden, one is a play cabin for the grandkids, one has gardening stuff in and the other contains the simple push lawnmower and scaffolding, none have locks on.

They do get turned over from time to time, come out in the morning and the door are wide open but as there is nothing of value they can't steal anything and more important they don't do any damage.

So in the context the article was written it makes sense.

.

Peter N
10-06-2008, 05:33 AM
This is a typical allotment over in the UK.
It's a small patch of land for growing vegatables and flowers, for those who live in council flats (apartments) with no garden.
There are at least 15 sheds in this picture of the type described in the article.

http://edsphotoblog.com/wp-content/photos/800px/allotments_berwick-upon-tweed.jpg


Peter

chief
10-06-2008, 05:46 AM
John,
Why do we have to put with the crimminal controlling our lives, it isn't about the price of a shovel, it's about the fact that we are allowing ourselves to be victimized and the government repsonse is to say "leave the door unlocked".
Same with the sharia law non-sense, jews aren't in the habit of killing each other over who their daugther dates. What happens when a sharia court in the UK says "honor killings are ok"? The government steps in and says '"no"
and then the muslims riot because the crown has disrespected islamic law.
I'm not trying to run the UK into the ground I have great repsect for England
(or what it was), I did many joint operations and exercises with the RN and
the British army, very professional and a pleasure to work with,
but America doesn't need Britain's brand of multi-cultural,security camera on every corner socialism.

John Stevenson
10-06-2008, 06:04 AM
John,

but America doesn't need Britain's brand of multi-cultural,security camera on every corner socialism.

So move back from Japan and tell America what it wants, don't tell me and what the fück does it have to do with you anyway ?

Find a soapbox on one of the other 78,000 political groups.

[ that should get this locked.]

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A.K. Boomer
10-06-2008, 07:27 AM
I'm not trying to run the UK into the ground I have great repsect for England
(or what it was),.


Uhmmm Chief --- I think it may have been the "or what it was" part that makes your having "great respect for England" ring a bit shallow...

Who knows - coulda even been the part that upset SJ a little think?:rolleyes:

That picture is amazing, and I thought the Japanese made good use of their land:)

Dawai
10-06-2008, 08:32 AM
I don't want a soapbox either. Brit problems are not American problems, but the problems of my forum friends are my concern too. I actually consider the forum members people, not just anonymous typists.

Breaking into a "unlocked shed" with a garden Mattock, they like a axe, make a excellent entry weapon to open a stout wooden door on the home. Here, they can find access to something to sell for their drug habit.

Like Alistair being so kind hearted towards the scum that robbed his son. I understand it, but don't condone it. If it's a penny, and the penny is mine.. I want to keep it. (That's the scott blood in me?)

Our world is a changing. If you turn the other cheek each time, soon you will be spinning like a whirling dervish. Till you have nothing left to steal. A kinda of forced socialism. Equalizing poverty down to the thief's-junkie level.

I've had to make concessions too. Where does it stop. The bible has left school education with a hole where the morals and respect of others once was.

Our courts are not punishing people. I don't know about England's. May sound harsh? but public horse whippings would stop a lot of this.