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small.planes
11-28-2008, 04:39 PM
evening all,
Im in the market for a TIG set (clicky (http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=31759))
THe recommended Miller set looks good, but having done more poking about Ive come across a DC set by Oerlikeron (here (http://www.wecs-ltd.co.uk/online-store/tig-welding/new-tig-machines-/oerlikon-citig-1500-dc-230-volt-tig-welder.html))
that looks ok, and is cheaper, and they also have an ac/dc set thas not much more than the Miller.

I like the look of the miller, but does anyone have experience of Oerlikeron brand?

got to ask lots of questions, its a lot of money (more than any of my other tools - including the mill!)

cheers

Dave

macona
11-28-2008, 04:50 PM
Looks to be a chinese machine, or what the chinese copied after.

"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of a low price is forgotten"

small.planes
11-28-2008, 05:09 PM
"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of a low price is forgotten"

Yeap, that why there isnt a TIG set here yet, I only want to (can afford to) buy once....
The company seems to be french, but as with most things it might only where HQ is, with equipment made in china.
Seems to have more 'twiddly knobs' that the Miller sets, pre/post gas flow etc.

Dave

macona
11-29-2008, 02:44 AM
If I remember correctly the postflow is set automatically based on the amount of current being used. There are pulse options on the STH.

torker
11-29-2008, 03:06 AM
I gotta agree with macona. Do NOT waste your money on this crap. Ok..Im a dyed in the wool Lincoln man...but THE best tig machines I've ever used...Miller.
Try to find a used "big" Miller if you can. You will easily recoup your purchase price...and you will have one hell of a machine in the bargain.

djc
11-30-2008, 03:32 AM
Looks to be a chinese machine, or what the chinese copied after.


Do NOT waste your money on this crap.

Gents, I would respectfully disagree. If you follow the link posted, you will see the following PDF referenced:

http://www.wecs-ltd.co.uk/images/stories/New%20Oerlikon%20TIG%20Range.pdf

Therein, you will see that Oerlikon welders are part of Air Liquide, a respected European manufacturer. Just because it isn't red or blue or born in the USA doesn't automatically make it crap. Keep going like that lads, and Mr Oerlikon will be after you with one of his earlier products! :)

To small.planes: you could do a lot worse than asking here:

http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/

In any case, it is best never to buy sight unseen over the net. Get to know your local welding supplier. If they are any good, they will help you a lot.

Ries
11-30-2008, 12:40 PM
Oerlikon is actually a Swiss company- But the welders, I am pretty sure, are made in Turkey.
Turkey is definitely better than China, in terms of quality of products- they have a 2000 year old tradition of metalworking, and, at various times, the Turks were the best in the world, bar none.

Here is the website-
http://www.oerlikon.com.tr/pls/oerlikon/!COMPANY_PKG.company_profile?lng=eng&selected_menu=7&selected_submenu=1

I actually own a turkish made set of plate rolls, and they are sturdy, troublefree, and the electrics are to CE, european standards.
Several Turkish companies sell a LOT of fabrication equipment in the USA, including CNC press brakes, shears, rolls, ironworkers, and angle rolls.
This is all industrial grade, NOT consumer equipment, and it sells for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars- so Turkey is perfectly capable of making quality tools.

That said, I have no idea if these welders are good or not- I would guess there is definitely a quality difference between these and a MILLER, for example, but there is also a price difference.

macona
11-30-2008, 04:38 PM
Gents, I would respectfully disagree. If you follow the link posted, you will see the following PDF referenced:

http://www.wecs-ltd.co.uk/images/stories/New%20Oerlikon%20TIG%20Range.pdf

Therein, you will see that Oerlikon welders are part of Air Liquide, a respected European manufacturer.

Thats why I said the machine could be what the chinese copied when making theirs. They find the cheapest and easiest to copy design to build and go with that.

Just because Air Liquide bought the company dose not automatically make the machines good. Companies will slap their names on junk all the time. Esab is a well respected European name and they make a lot of garbage machines.

But the Oerlikon might be a good machine. Find a place where you can try one and find out about warranty and if it does fail where it can be repaired.

torker
11-30-2008, 05:46 PM
Ooops..I'm kinda biased because I make a living with welding machines. They could be ok for home stuff.
BTW..we have Air L'Dweeb here also...funny...they only sell Miller here.

small.planes
12-02-2008, 04:28 PM
Im a 'homeshop guy', whilst I do run a hobby business (it nice that the tax man funds my hobby ;) ) I havent had the OA set out in about 6 months or so, and I dont think Ill be putting commercial type hours on a TIG set.

djc, cheers, Ill join up over there and ask a few questions. I guess the US bias here means US machine recommendations, a UK forum should have more whats locally available hints :)
Im not sure where my local 'welding specialist' is, but the place I linked to is only in sheffield, which is under an hour drive anyway.

Dave