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motorworks
01-11-2009, 05:36 PM
Engineers Black Book :

I picked up a copy of this book a while back and I find it very good
Noted that it was the American Version and was wondering
if there was another version i.e. metric?
eddie

John Stevenson
01-11-2009, 05:46 PM
Newnes mechanical Engineers pocket book

Sent you an email.

Carld
01-11-2009, 05:51 PM
Uhhhh, your post is pretty vague. Could you give a title and author so I can search for a copy?????

John Stevenson
01-11-2009, 06:08 PM
Just put

Newnes mechanical Engineers pocket book

into Google and you will get loads of hits.
Some are by Roger Timings and some are by Timings and Tony may depending on issue.
Mine is the second reprint 1993 by both authors.

A lot like a cut down version of machinery handbook with day to day info but all to ISO specs to suit the UK and Europe.
Very little imperial stuff mentioned.

oldtiffie
01-11-2009, 06:35 PM
Here is the metric version of the "Engineers Black Book" - front and back cover and inside front cover and index.

I bought it locally in OZ. It is 165H x 95W x 7mm thick with 87 pages of data/tables.

It is very useful indeed. I have the similarly sized and somewhat similar (but not quite as good) metric version of the ages-old "Zeus" pocket book as well.

They are pocket sized. I used to have Zeus and a 6" rule in my breast pocket in my overalls all the time I was working in work-shops. They are more a desk-top item now as I use them at the computer and for sketching etc.

I usually check them first before I go for Machinery's Handbook and another excellent book published by one of our Technology Universities here.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa294/oldtiffie/EngineersBlackBook1.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa294/oldtiffie/EngineersBlackBook2.jpg

motorworks
01-11-2009, 07:16 PM
thanks John ;/

philbur
01-11-2009, 07:38 PM
21 quid in the UK, 41 dollars in the USA. Amason must be working on old money.:)

Phil


thanks John ;/

smiller6912
01-11-2009, 08:07 PM
Penn Tool has them on sale.......
http://www.penntoolco.com/catalog/products/products.cfm?categoryID=7000

John Stevenson
01-11-2009, 08:07 PM
6.50 in the Uk if you look in the right place :D

Peter S
01-11-2009, 09:39 PM
In case anyone is confused...The Engineers Black Book is not the Newnes book. I think the Engineers Black Book comes from Australia, it is readily available in NZ. Nicely done, laminated pages and the local version is metric.

lazlo
01-12-2009, 09:55 PM
21 quid in the UK, 41 dollars in the USA. Amason must be working on old money.:)


Just noticed that it's in this month's MSC flyer for $21 USD:

Engineers Black Book (http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMCTLG=00&PMAKA=LD82714122&partnerURL=http://catalogs.shoplocal.com/mscdirect/index.aspx?pagename=shopmain&circularid=14388&storeid=1040626&pagenumber=53&mode=)

http://www1.mscdirect.com/ProductImages/8271412-11.jpg

radish1us
01-12-2009, 10:05 PM
Here is the metric version of the "Engineers Black Book" - front and back cover and inside front cover and index.



Hey Tiffie, how in the hell did you get a "METRIC" version, everyone I've seen has both METRIC and MONGREL in it.

regards radish

oldtiffie
01-13-2009, 01:32 AM
Thanks radish.

Its got metric in it because its published in OZ - which is "metric"; and

Its got "mongrel" in it 'cos its got my name in it.

You can contact "Suttons Tools" or "Patience and Nicholson (Aust)" at the links in the second pic at post #5:
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showpost.php?p=408950&postcount=5

I could go and buy it for you and post it to you if it will help. I don't have price on it as yet.

radish1us
01-13-2009, 05:21 AM
Thanks for the offer Tiffie.

I've got it in my toolbox at work right now, had the first edition, well used, and just lately bent the plastic for the second edition.

regards radish

Imperial = MONGREL

.RC.
01-13-2009, 06:21 AM
http://www.engineersblackbook.com/

ptjw7uk
01-13-2009, 09:14 AM
Dont know where Sir John's looking but I cant find anywhere in uk selling it let alone for 6.50, he must have a special internet connection or spells different to me!

Peter

John Stevenson
01-13-2009, 09:26 AM
Sorry mate I got the price wrong, it wasn't 6.50 it was 4.90 :D

PM sent so keep the vultures away.

SDL
01-13-2009, 09:26 AM
Dont know where Sir John's looking but I cant find anywhere in uk selling it let alone for 6.50, he must have a special internet connection or spells different to me!

Peter

In UK at J&L

http://catalogs.shoplocal.com/jlindustrial/index.aspx?storeid=1039181&circularid=11419&clientpass=738&firstname=&lastname=&loggedin=false&itemcount=0&mode=test&pagenumber=738

Not at 6.50 but often in there flyers for 10 or 12 pounds, it is very good.

Steve Larner

John Stevenson
01-13-2009, 09:29 AM
I'm talking about the Newnes pocket book NOT that black book.

.

malbenbut
01-13-2009, 11:44 AM
Mines the Newnes, [Newnes Butterworth] 6th edition Metricated cost 1:40 sellotaped on the spine to keep it together. Used nearly every day one of my better buys. One of my vices buying books I cant afford.
MBB

MikeHenry
01-17-2009, 03:16 PM
The copy I have (here in US) is published by Pat Rapp in Australia but is a US edition with Imperial units so far as I can see. Probably bought at Enco, MSC, J&L or the like.

Mike

lazlo
01-17-2009, 04:12 PM
The copy I have (here in US) is published by Pat Rapp in Australia but is a US edition with Imperial units so far as I can see.

I just got the copy I ordered at MSC last week when you guys were plugging it, and it's like Mike says: published by Pat Rap, but each page is marked "US Imperial Edition."

I'm really impressed with this little book -- it's basically all the pages you really need out of Machinery's Handbook: 40:1 dividing tables, 90:1 rotab tables, thread major/minor diameters, decimal equivalents, tap and drill charts, ...

John Stevenson
01-17-2009, 04:16 PM
Lazlo,
What's it like on metric stuff, threads, keyways etc.

.

lazlo
01-17-2009, 04:21 PM
What's it like on metric stuff, threads, keyways etc.

What's Metric?

I'm taking a break from lugging ~ 3,000 lbs of metal stock out into the driveway and back -- let me go check...

Edit: It's got a great selection of Metric, European and English threads, Metric keyway dimensions, and limits and fits in Metric. I'm hardly an expert, but I don't recognize half of the thread forms in there: Hughes H-90 (a tapered oil field thread), a bunch of API (oil) threads, Panzerrohr--Gewinde (German steel conduit thread), UNK Controlled Root Radius (aerospace thread), DIN 513 Saw Tooth (a kind of trapezoidal buttress thread)...

motorworks
01-17-2009, 04:56 PM
John
The metric section is very good for the US edition
Better then most pocket books that are available here in N.A.

Use my "standard/US" copy ever day!

When I posted this question I was looking for the metric version of the book.

I have the Newnes and find that great as well
I find there always something extra in each book
but NOT everthing in one book, yet!

They now have a threading 'Black' book out.
Let you know what it's like if I pick one up
eddie