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Dunc
01-13-2009, 01:47 PM
This one just offered on sale
http://busybeetools.ca/cgi-bin/picture10?NTITEM=B1885

For its capacity (2 inch jaw opening) & weight (about 7 lbs), is this too light to use as a milling vise on this machine
http://busybeetools.ca/cgi-bin/picture10?NTITEM=CT129N

I do have a heavier vise or clamps to use when the part does not require an angled or tilted presentation.

piniongear
01-13-2009, 02:03 PM
It is difficult to say with any certainty if the vise will be too light to use on the machine you noted. Niether the machine or the vise is too heavy though. That I will say.
In my view a vise that is able to move around.....i.e., swivel and tilt and rotate on it's base has one serious drawback. That is the fact that it will be a constant chore to keep this kind of vise square and in line with the travel of the mill table. That is to say....forward/backward and left/right. Unless the vise is set perfectly in line with the mill axis you will find yourself milling along a diagonal.
In my view you are much better off with a vise that does not rotate and bolts squarely onto the table slots. At the same time, a 6 inch vise will be far more valuable than a small 2 inch............pg

brian Rupnow
01-13-2009, 02:17 PM
Dunc---That one is too small. I have the mill that you show, and I have the big brother to that vice, which has a 3" opening with 3 1/8" wide jaws x 1.5" high, and I find it is about the right size. This vice does have a keyway milled in the side that faces the table, and a couple of tapped holes so that you can mill a stepped key that is an exact fit to the center slot in the mill table and bolt it to the underside of the vice. This solves the alignment issue for removing the vice from the table and putting it back on. If you do utilize any of the twist and tilt features, then yes, you have to re-align the jaws to your table. I really like this vice for hobby work, and it is very versatile.---Brian
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn294/BrianRupnow/MILLINGVICE002.jpg

torker
01-13-2009, 02:23 PM
Dunc...no doubt that would be a handy little vise to have as an EXTRA!
2"X2" opening is a severe limitation IMO.
After you get to know your machine..I'm sure you would be happier with this one...
http://busybeetools.ca/cgi-bin/picture10?NTITEM=MMVSP100.
It's handy also...you can take the vise off the swivel base and use it like that.
I know it's more money...but we tried to warn you :D
FWIW..I own some Groz stuff and it's miles ahead of BB's usual china crap.
Russ

MickeyD
01-13-2009, 02:30 PM
Just about everyone here has skimped on a vise before and had to replace it with a "real" one. If there is any way to afford it, just start out with a good one and you will be much happier in the long run. Good tools only hurt once when you buy them, but cheap junk hurts every time you use it.

brian Rupnow
01-13-2009, 03:49 PM
Dunc--What part of Canada are you in?--Brian

HSS
01-13-2009, 05:36 PM
Just about everyone here has skimped on a vise before and had to replace it with a "real" one. If there is any way to afford it, just start out with a good one and you will be much happier in the long run. Good tools only hurt once when you buy them, but cheap junk hurts every time you use it.

Amen to that, brother!!;)

ammcoman2
01-13-2009, 06:41 PM
I have one of those and I use it occasionally on my Taig mill. It is well made and is sturdy but designed for light work. Even used it on my 8x30 mill when I made a tangential tool holder with its many compound angles.

On one job it was mounted on a tilting angle plate, so there is a place for one in the shop when crazy angles have to be machined. Perhaps those folks more ingenious than me would be able to get along with out one. Another item to consider is the tilting vise sold by Lee Valley http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=31124&cat=1,41659 and BB. I have the Lee Valley one and it is really solid - suitable for light milling

Geoff

SDL
01-13-2009, 07:07 PM
Dunc...no doubt that would be a handy little vise to have as an EXTRA!

FWIW..I own some Groz stuff and it's miles ahead of BB's usual china crap.
Russ

Thats because its made in India :rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://0168a51.netsolhost.com/index.cfm?MainDisplay=Products&SubDisplay=ProductDetails&ProductID=106


Steve Larner

Evan
01-13-2009, 07:12 PM
I have the 2 inch vise also. It's well made and has hardened jaws. It's definitely for light work but then it's only a 2" vise. It's a good deal for the price. I also have a Groz drill press vise that is ground on three sides and I use it on the mill all the time. BB has them on sale from time to time for $50 which is a good deal.

torker
01-13-2009, 07:13 PM
Thats because its made in India :rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://0168a51.netsolhost.com/index.cfm?MainDisplay=Products&SubDisplay=ProductDetails&ProductID=106


Steve Larner
Yep...I knew that already.
I have a lil' multi angle positioner made by them and it's first rate.
The machinists vise I have is very nice also.

BillH
01-13-2009, 07:28 PM
That seams to be a popular mill, a little birdie whispered in my ear that Lathemaster may start to carry it...

steverice
01-13-2009, 07:37 PM
As long as all you are drilling in or machining on is wood that small vise might be heavy enough.

s.r.

Evan
01-13-2009, 08:50 PM
Or Nylon, Delrin, HDPE, brass, aluminum and very small cuts in steel.

Dunc
01-13-2009, 09:51 PM
Have not bought as yet, just inquiring as to suitability. It is off my wish list.
@ brian, Ottawa, ON

torker
01-14-2009, 12:10 AM
Dunc...a milling vise gets used a lot. Seems they are sometimes never big enough.
A vice is really the most important part of your mill. I have owned a cheap vise that I "thought" was ok...til it broke while doing a moderate cut.
I push things pretty hard now and would be very nevous to use a cheap one again. They ARE NOT all bad...but which one will break next?
I have a Kurt now and don't even think about if it will hold or not...
A Kurt is darn sure going to be overkill on your machine but it never hurts to get a decent quality vise.

oldtiffie
01-14-2009, 01:13 AM
This one just offered on sale
http://busybeetools.ca/cgi-bin/picture10?NTITEM=B1885

For its capacity (2 inch jaw opening) & weight (about 7 lbs), is this too light to use as a milling vise on this machine
http://busybeetools.ca/cgi-bin/picture10?NTITEM=CT129N

I do have a heavier vise or clamps to use when the part does not require an angled or tilted presentation.

I thought I'd go back to the OP for reference - glad I did.

The OP's last paragraph says that he has a heavier vise, clamps etc. so the vise under discussion is for "other" or lighter work - so it is not intended to be the only vise.

So far, neither the OP has said, nor has anyone else asked, what sort of work he intends to do with that vice.

I have the 3" x 3-axis bigger brother of that vice and I can tell you it has come in very handy. It is NOT made for taking a beating:
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa294/oldtiffie/Vise/Vise9.jpg

I have the 4" version of the same basic vise as Brian Rupnow and it does a good job within the comparatively lesser loads that I put on a vise.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa294/oldtiffie/Vise/Vise8.jpg

Putting/clamping a job to the mill table is always my preferred option to using a vice. I don't have keys or "buttons" under anything that goes on my mill table. I can set them up well enough, quick enough for my purposes. I don't rely on the table slots all being exactly the same width nor straight nor parallel to the "X" axis dove-tail.