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torker
01-22-2009, 09:37 AM
Geez...I stumbled upon a money maker last night.
I started teamroping again..just to train a horse for a girl and to get out of my shop once in awhile.
We went out to a ranch last night that puts on night pratice sessions. I was talking to the guy who owns the place and he asked me if I weld aluminum.
He took me out to his trailer...wow! These things are born to self destruct...lol!
If you get a flat tire...it tears the crap out of everything...lots of patching.
Then he pointed out the problems they have with the floors.
The winter road salt and the horse "moisture" :D that soaks the floor all the time...eats the crap out of the floor.
But...it's an extruded floor with ribs in it.
You can't just replace a small section...it's got to go over the floor bracing from what I see.
In order to get into this floor repair biz...I'm going to have to find a source for some decent sized sheets of this stuff. Most likely 4X8 at minimum.
I have to check out some different makes of trailers to see if they all use the same size of rib spacings.
So these extrusions...is it likely that this would be a stock item from a manufacturer or would large sheets like that be a custom order deal?
Thanks!
Russ

Willy
01-22-2009, 10:08 AM
Can't help you directly Russ, but why not give the service dept. at these places a call.

http://www.magnumtrailersales.com/index.htm

http://www.southlandtrailers.com/

See if you can find their source. Make sure you use lots of tact and diplomacy, don't let on that you want some of the gravy. Who knows, they might even give a fellow cowpoke a break on some material in hopes of sellin him a trailer down the road.

Evan
01-22-2009, 10:38 AM
I suspect it will be all custom. A local shop here makes good money building custom horse trailers.

torker
01-22-2009, 11:00 AM
Ya..that's why i'm thinking of getting into this.
The guy last night was telling me there's only one place he could find that could fix his trailer up here. They are all the way out in Medice Hat....about a 6 hour drive one way.
Evan...I've been looking into this.
It's come along way since I was in the roping game.
It's not uncommon for people to spend upwards of $150,000 on a blinged out horse trailer.
Geez...and we used to think we where stylin if we bought a 3 horse mini stock with a tack compartment :D
Willy...now that you mention it...I know the guy who used to own Southland trailers.
Maybe i'll ring him up and see if he'll share where he got that stuff from.
He was only building steel trailers when i knew him but everyone wants alu trailers now as they are so much cheaper to pull.

Oldbrock
01-22-2009, 07:03 PM
Burns Lake area: 250-692-4144

Vancouver Office
Suite 850 - 999 West Hastings Street
Vancouver, B.C. V6C 2W2
Tel: 604-257-1400
Fax: 604-257-1421
I'd give them a call Russ to see where the floor sections are extruded. There used to be an extrusion plant in Cowtown where I got custom extrusions made for aircraft hangar doors, If I can remember it I will see if they are still around. Yup, getting partstimers. Peter

wierdscience
01-22-2009, 10:19 PM
Russ there are quite a few companies that make the stuff,here is one-

http://www.truckline-sale.com/floors.php

The best flooring is made up as an E section that locks together to form the floor pan.These slide together from the rear of the trailer and are bolted in on the ends only,they just rest on top of the floor sleepers,that allows the frame of the trailer to flex without cracking.

"Horse motor homes" as I call them are a good business to be in.Even better if your near a major highway is semi-trailer repair.When my brother ran OTR his company used a trailer repair service.To give you an idea,the little dome shaper corner pieces at the front of the trailer,to replace two of those cost $1700.We are talking drilling and replacing 50 or so rivets and some silicone:eek:

Oh,forgot to add.Take a sheet of 3/8" steel plate,layout and tack down some 1/4" round bar to one side in a diamond pattern.Take a $30 sheet of vinyl coated .035" aluminum and lay on top with some clamps.Take a large soft rubber mallet and gently bump it folowing the diamond pattern.Presto you now have a $150 sheet of "quilted" aluminum door skin.

CCWKen
01-23-2009, 12:20 AM
Oh,forgot to add.Take a sheet of 3/8" steel plate,layout and tack down some 1/4" round bar to one side in a diamond pattern.Take a $30 sheet of vinyl coated .035" aluminum and lay on top with some clamps.Take a large soft rubber mallet and gently bump it folowing the diamond pattern.Presto you now have a $150 sheet of "quilted" aluminum door skin.

Hey! You're giving away trade secrets! :D
Had to do the same thing on a Model T deck lid, only in an X pattern.

Forgot to ask: Russ - How wide is each panel? A shop built roller could probably emboss forms.

Duffy
01-23-2009, 10:36 AM
I just GOTTA ask: why are these floors metal? Horse p!ss and manure squeezins are about as corrosive a pair of liquids as I can imagine. Most horses are shod, (I think,) so the shoes would scratch or chip just about ANY protective coating, exposing the underlying metal to corrosion. Or is this a case of "if you can afford a horse, you can afford a trailer with a perpetually corroding floor that your "trailer man" will repeatedly repair/replace?"
I would think that perhaps a reworked design with some stainless supports and fasteners and a flooring material of 5/4 Greenheart or Purpleheart lumber would last well, please the customer, (lots of class,) make a GOOD profit, (VERY slow/difficult to fabricate a unit of THIS quality, you understand, sir!) and last a reasonable length of time--BUT not so long that you forget how you did it the last time!

Circlip
01-23-2009, 10:55 AM
Most extrusions of a "Specialist" nature would be customer designs, so the chance of an extruder toteing a "Standard" to various trailer manufacturers although possible is not very likely. Don't all manufacturers want "Return Business" ??

Regards Ian.

wierdscience
01-23-2009, 09:51 PM
I just GOTTA ask: why are these floors metal? Horse p!ss and manure squeezins are about as corrosive a pair of liquids as I can imagine. Most horses are shod, (I think,) so the shoes would scratch or chip just about ANY protective coating, exposing the underlying metal to corrosion. Or is this a case of "if you can afford a horse, you can afford a trailer with a perpetually corroding floor that your "trailer man" will repeatedly repair/replace?"
I would think that perhaps a reworked design with some stainless supports and fasteners and a flooring material of 5/4 Greenheart or Purpleheart lumber would last well, please the customer, (lots of class,) make a GOOD profit, (VERY slow/difficult to fabricate a unit of THIS quality, you understand, sir!) and last a reasonable length of time--BUT not so long that you forget how you did it the last time!

Wood is frowned upon for horse trailers these days,especially if it's an expensive horse.Horses are heavy and particularly so considering their weight is born up on four hooves.If there is any chance of a plank cracking and breaking then the horse can lose a leg down the hole while the vehicle is moving.This is not good,especially so for the horse and lesser so for the owner.

I have seen the result of this and it isn't pleasant.Alot of the floors are covered in rubber mats anyway so hooves don't really pose a problem.

Add to that aluminum planks are lighter than wood.

There is actually a coating that can be applied to the aluminum deck and the frame of the trailer,but it adds $$$$$

clint
01-24-2009, 12:39 AM
I agree about rotten wooden floors, however the aluminum may be just as bad when it starts to break down. If it were me I think I would go with the synthetic wood decking boards, no more worry about rot, upkeep etc. You may even be able to use both aluminum as a sub floor, then put the synthetic decking boards on top of that. Just some thoughts out of the box.

Clint

Rustybolt
01-24-2009, 10:13 AM
Torker. A friend of mine was in the alum. replacement window business for awhile and he told me that an extrusion die was $5000.00 US and that included 500 feet of extrusions. This was in 2000 so things probably have changed.
Around here salt is the big destroyer of trailers.

torker
01-24-2009, 10:33 AM
You guys are right...these alu trailers are going to be HUGE trouble.
We seldom used to see them here. But the high fuel prices have driven people to buy them.
For years...horse trailers had wooden floors. Any trailer has rubber mats on top of whatever is used as a subfloor.
The old wooden floors where good actually.
You just had to keep the mats lifted up so the floor could dry when not in use.
The horse pi$$ actually helped to preserve the wood.
However...if you didn't look after them and keep checking for rotten spots...you could get into trouble.
I had to shoot a horse in a trailer once...and cut it out with an axe.
Some dumb hunters from Vancouver came out here with a rotten old trailer...the horse fell thru on a logging road and got drug for miles.
Not pretty...
Hopefully this weekend I'll get the chance to measure some of these extrusions between different makes and see if there is a standard.
The one i looked at had 1 1/2" wide ribs with a 1" wide valley about 3/4" deep. Perfectly square sides. Not something you could recreate easily.
And a sloppy fit is not an option.
Thanks for the contact info guys! I'll get in touch after i know what I need.
I smell horse $hit and money :D
Russ

PTSideshow
01-24-2009, 11:30 AM
Russ, you may want to check out the stair panels or just generic floor panels. http://www.thomasnet.com/prodsearch.html?cov=NA&which=prod&what=Aluminum+Extrude+trailer+floor+panels&navsec=search
Here are the results for Thomas register or as it is called now ThomasNet http://www.thomasnet.com/

Good luck!:D