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davidh
04-06-2009, 08:40 AM
lets try this one.

what ratio do you think you spend playing in your hobby shop compared to the time you spend on this and other machining forums ?

i know for me its at least 10 parts forum to 1 part making chips.

for me, its because of the need for socialization more than down time.

names become familar, and sometimes you can put your own faces on whom you are becoming familar with. . .

both are a great form of entertainment. . . .and relaxation.

comments ?

garagemark
04-06-2009, 08:48 AM
I probably rate 15-20 to 1. I only use the internet here at work, and only then on occasion when I have some down time. I have purposely had the internet shut off at home. I found that both my wife and I spent too much time on the darn thing. Now my home (which is my shop time) time is pure home time with no interruptions or distractions. Sure itís a little inconvenient from time to time, but we survived almost fifty odd years without it.

So, I get more shop time than you do. Nah nah! :D

rockrat
04-06-2009, 09:32 AM
I have found that I must put a time limit on my internet usage. I could sit in here for most of the day if I wanted. Then I feel as though I have waisted time on the net vs in the shop.

So, I try to keep it under 1 hour in the morning (thats email, hsm, ebay, craigslist) and then off I go. So 1:8 (or9) hours ratio.

I also miss talking to gents at the past shops I have worked at. It was always nice to bounce ideas off of them. And there would always be a story to go with the conversation.

Oh, happy opening day, baseball that is.

cheers~
rock

Frank Ford
04-06-2009, 12:08 PM
This place has been mighty important to me as a source of instruction for my machining hobby. Although I do much of my machining as support for my real occupation of being a guitar mechanic, I still consider it my hobby because I do it at home, not on work time.

I figure I spend something like 1000 hours a year in my home shop. I do spend a fair bit of time at the computer, processing photos & writing for my Web sites, and learning what I can here. So, I don't see a strong dividing line between reading HSM and actually working in the shop.

Social contact here - well yes, to a point. But after 40 years as a local retailer I get lots of social contact during my regular work week. People drop in from around the corner or around the world, some for the first time, some every week, others after a long absence.

Dear old Dad made good dough and was comfortably able to quit work at 55. After that he spent more time bending his elbow at the neighborhood bar than I do now on the Internet. He died at 65 - my age now - in a kind of lifeless retirement. I will NOT go that way! When it comes, I hope Death meets me standing at my bench. . .

7018
04-06-2009, 12:16 PM
I spend to much time on here:rolleyes: , But I've got a good excuse for now. I got a hew knee on the 25th so I'm still healing..

Hope to get back to the shop soon....:D

deltaenterprizes
04-06-2009, 12:35 PM
More time on the web than in the shop because the shop is not climate controlled.

Bmyers
04-06-2009, 01:00 PM
more time here than in the shop, especially during the evenings in the winter.
I suppose 5 hours here to 1 hours shop time

dp
04-06-2009, 01:18 PM
I can spend time here while I'm working which I can't do with my machine shop. I'm currently doing a software build and while that is going on (nothing quite so boring as watching C code compile except maybe watching fractals evolve) I can read stuff here. So the ratio of bbs time to shop time is very non-representative. Actual shop time depends on shop temperature and the condition of my back. I can't stand over machines for very long. I feel good to get a couple hours a week in.

Evan
04-06-2009, 02:17 PM
The only computer in any of my shop spaces is the controller for the mill. It is online but I never use it to access this forum or any other, or the internet at all. I won't put a computer for that purpose in my shop. My main machine is in the living room beside my chair and my wife has hers beside her chair. She watches TV on it with headphones so it doesn't bother me as I cannot stand TV any more. If I want to spend time on this forum then I have to shut down the shop and come up stairs to do so. I spend plenty of time here but a lot of it is in the middle of the night when there is nothing else I can do but used the computer as I don't sleep much. Some days like today and the last few I have been feeling too crappy to do much else so I am working on and with software most of the day. Crappy is a relative term, in this case it just means it hurts to move much so I don't.

It's impossible to calculate any sort of ratio since when I am on the computer I am usually doing many things at once. I switch between tasks every minute or two depending on what has finished or whatever. I am constantly doing searches for information regarding things I am interested in and I have been spending a lot of time getting my new web site up. It still needs a lot of work.

John Stevenson
04-06-2009, 02:48 PM
When it comes, I hope Death meets me standing at my bench. . .

I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandad and not screaming like the rest of the passengers in his car.

.

Fasttrack
04-06-2009, 03:26 PM
John - I got a good laugh out of that one. Thanks.

The ratio depends on circumstances. For instance, I spend alot of time on the forum when I'm away at school and my studies aren't keeping me super busy since I don't have access to my own shop. When I'm at home, I spend all my free time in the garage. When I'm on my BIL's farm, I spend all my free time (which is generally very little) working on my lathe. Sometimes I'll go a month without even checking the forum because I'm so busy, other times I check it 10 times a day! :)

Doc Nickel
04-06-2009, 03:50 PM
I spend anywhere from one to four hours a day online. Sometimes more when I've got a book to finish (playing with the scans and image files) or I'm working up a new T-shirt or I'm pasting together a new magazine article.

During that time, however, a fair portion of it is handling E-mail. Most of my work comes in online, so there's always new inquiries to answer, current projects to update on, and messages from vendors, other shops and so on to keep track of.

I spend a minimum of eight hours a day in the shop, 12 is more common, 16-18 is not unheard of. A few of those occur every month, sometimes a weeks' worth.

So shop/internet? Anywhere from 2:1 to 16:1, with 6:1 probably about average.

Doc.

japcas
04-06-2009, 04:13 PM
I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandad and not screaming like the rest of the passengers in his car..

Good thing I wasn't drinking anything while I read that because there would have been a mess to clean up.

I take it by spells. Sometimes I spend lots of time in the shop and other times I spend a lot of time on the computer. Usually when I'm on the computer I'm researching something I'm interested in doing, building, or trying. Lately I've been studying up on doing a cnc conversion to my small lathe. As long as I'm doing something constructive or educational on the computer then I don't count it as lost time.

topct
04-06-2009, 07:24 PM
I live in my shop. My shop is where I live. There is a computer in the house that I live in. There are machines in the house that I live in.

I consider the computer a machine and I consider the machines as computers.

Since I am 100% curious. That's also my ratio, 100 to 0.

EdC
04-06-2009, 07:38 PM
I'd say 5:1 internet to shop...I generally only get shop time on the weekends and the occasional day off from work.

tony ennis
04-06-2009, 08:01 PM
Each day I read HSM for 2 hours, work at the bench for 19, spend 4 more hours on other hobbies, and sleep 3. On other days I am more productive.

Love,
Evan

aboard_epsilon
04-06-2009, 08:13 PM
Some days like today and the last few I have been feeling too crappy to do much else so I am working on and with software most of the day. Crappy is a relative term, in this case it just means it hurts to move much so I don't.


YEAH , too right, it's relative ..relative to you only ...if i felt as crappy as you ...i would be a happy man ..cause of the amount of things i could do...you do more in a week ..plus posting on these forums ..than many (almost all here) could do in a year .!!!

if you feel crappy, i must be totally burnt out and shagged !! :eek:

all the best.markj

uute
04-07-2009, 03:46 AM
Some days 2 hours here are better than 4 hrs in the shop...


Followed by 8 more hrs repairing what I screwed up during the first 4 hrs. :D :D

uute

Timleech
04-07-2009, 05:00 AM
It varies tremendously. I'll generally check the computer for a couple of minutes several times during the day, but how long I spend depends on what else needs doing or is appealing.
As others have said, sometimes in winter (or maybe high summer for some) the shop is less inviting than the computer. Other days, the reverse.
At the moment, the shop is high on the agenda. Spent a whole day at the weekend searching for a lost bit of floor. Very frustrating until I actually found it, then great satisfaction, it had been missing for months. There are a couple of things to fix on the new mill before it becomes just part of the furniture, then once that's done, and the 'day job' allows time there's some work to do.

Tim

Your Old Dog
04-07-2009, 06:01 AM
I spend more time in the shop but not by much. I view this forum as a social gathering place with a $h!t load of people who seem to share all the same interest that I do. Very few threads hold little interest to me as I find I learn something, no matter how minuscule, from all of them. Suffice it to say I generally look in here several times a day.

I have to agree with Aboard Epsilon about Evan. When you finally kick Evan your friends should give you a round of applause for a life well lived. It's good for us that you channel your energies into productive endeavors instead of destructive!

You guys are all special to me and I wish it was possible to have a jamboree in the hills as the mountain men used to say!

John Stevenson
04-07-2009, 06:44 AM
They ought to bury Evan with that new lathe, that way he can turn in his grave.............


OK I'll get me coat.............

madman
04-07-2009, 08:45 AM
Man that guy could drink a load of booze and drive pretty darn good for 83 years of age, I miss the rest of the family also. R.I.P.

Jack F
04-07-2009, 12:27 PM
I'm like most of you here. More time on the forums than in the shop. I'm a member of 2 Pontiac forums, 2 Hot Rod forums, and 4 metal working forums. I have a project in the shop right now (re-building the heads of one of the Pontiac engines) but here I am at the computer. I think I will check out 2 more forums then head for the shop. Give me power.

Jack.

Frank Ford
04-08-2009, 02:13 PM
Well, this thread got me thinking about time. I'm really good at recording the time I spend on specific specific projects - that's how I know whether it's profitable for me to keep making some of the little products I sell.

But overall time in the shop? I've always guessed at that.

So, a few days ago I decided to start finding the answer.

I installed an hour meter on the light circuit:

http://www.frets.com/HomeShopTech/Shop/FFShop/hourmeter.jpg

Yeah, I know I'm nutz, but that's hardly news. . .

rockrat
04-08-2009, 07:42 PM
Well, this thread got me thinking about time. I'm really good at recording the time I spend on specific specific projects - that's how I know whether it's profitable for me to keep making some of the little products I sell.

But overall time in the shop? I've always guessed at that.

So, a few days ago I decided to start finding the answer.

I installed an hour meter on the light circuit:

Yeah, I know I'm nutz, but that's hardly news. . .

Oh sh*t, now you have done it. The wife will be monitoring that meter like a hawk. Probably force you into dance lessons with her to even up the score. Hours away vs hours with her.

rock~

randyjaco
04-08-2009, 07:50 PM
ROTFLOL Man ain't that the truth

My SWMBO's desire is for me to do Yoga rather than spend time in the shop. Just shoot me now.

Randy

clutch
04-08-2009, 08:09 PM
We have had about 6 months of snow and my shop isn't heated. I spend way too much time on the internet.

Day job, I fix automation equipment, cnc's, shears, press brakes and such. I do a far amount of fabrication so by the time when I get home, I've done my metal wrecking for the day.

Having said that, I'm looking forward to spring and getting the garage shop going. I'll have portion partitioned off and heated with my machines inside so next winter I'll be able to play with the machines. That gatlinggun isn't going to make itself and I've got all the tooling and such to make it.

Clutch