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pressurerelief
05-14-2009, 09:33 PM
I just read that the EU is going to ban R-134a in the very near future. You know what that means to the price. I bet it goes the same way as R-12. Glad I have a good supply of R-12 and R-134a on the shelf.

P/R

rockrat
05-14-2009, 09:39 PM
Any reasoning other than the normal "it might be bad so get rid of it"?

134A was supposed to be the best end all do all for refrigerant. It was supposed to be healthy for the o-zone, not harmful to look at, bla, bla, bla.

I guess we were duped again.
rock~

gmatov
05-14-2009, 10:37 PM
I don't think there is a hell of a lot of difference between the 2 except that I have read that R-12 patent had expired. Anyone could make it, so let's get us a new coolant that is still under patent.

It's entirely possible that R-134A patent is near to expiration, too.

Cheers,

George

J. R. Williams
05-14-2009, 10:40 PM
One refrigerant being promoted is Carbon Dioxide. The only problem is the high pressures. The old reliables, Ammonia or Propane also do a fine job.
JRW

interrupted_cut
05-15-2009, 01:54 AM
Honeywell and DuPont have collaborated on a new "low global warming" refrigerant called 1234yf, which is close to a drop in substitute for 134a thermally. It has slight flammability, but probably not enough to preclude its use in automotive and consumer devices. This is to appease people who have no confidence in the ability of science to do anything right...except predict the weather...100 years from now.

atty
05-15-2009, 11:08 AM
The ban is apparently due to inefficiency of the gas. I can't help but wonder if anyone has given any thought to the inefficiency of banning a crucial consumer product without first establishing a suitable replacement. :confused:

rotate
05-15-2009, 11:40 AM
... This is to appease people who have no confidence in the ability of science to do anything right...except predict the weather...100 years from now.

That's too funny! I'm going to have to remember that one.

PTSideshow
05-15-2009, 12:35 PM
The real reason is the DIY all have finally purchased gauges and all the other R134a only equipment. :eek: So now is the time to bring in a new one :rolleyes:

Nick1911
05-15-2009, 02:09 PM
$90 USD will buy 30lbs of R134a from Sams Club. Might not be a bad investment... It's not like the stuff goes bad.

atty
05-15-2009, 03:22 PM
$90 USD will buy 30lbs of R134a from Sams Club. Might not be a bad investment... It's not like the stuff goes bad.


Especially if one is considering a little clandestine export to the EU. :D

juergenwt
05-15-2009, 03:48 PM
Works great with much lower pressure. I have used it for years in my 88 G20 Van having a very small leak that nobody could find. I replace about on can per year.
http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm

HSS
05-15-2009, 09:25 PM
I hope the price goes up like 12 did, I bought 80 30lb jugs of 134 2 years ago and still have about 55 of them left. That would make for some real nice profit. Yessiree.:D